Masimo/Sound United Dealer Portal now says “HARMAN”

AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

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Masimo/SU Dealer Portal now says “HARMAN”.

It doesn’t say “Samsung” or “Sound United”. Just “Harman”. :D

 
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AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

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Better marketing to be had that way I'd think....
I thought they would say “Harman - Sound United” or just “Sound United”.

Before, it was “Masimo Sound United”.

So now it just looks like SU is gone and everything is just Harman.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

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I thought they would say “Harman - Sound United” or just “Sound United”.

Before, it was “Masimo Sound United”.

So now it just looks like SU is gone and everything is just Harman.
Sound United is odd to begin with IMHO (took me a while to not think of it as United Sound to start) altho better than D&M Holdings :). Harman better audio rep than Samsung otherwise.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

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Sound United is odd to begin with IMHO (took me a while to not think of it as United Sound to start) altho better than D&M Holdings :). Harman better audio rep than Samsung otherwise.
True. “Harman” is probably a more-recognizable and prestigious brand name for audio and home theater.

Too bad they got rid of the prestigious Revel Salon2 and replaced it with a much cheaper downgrade.

They better not do the same to the B&W 800 Diamond speakers. :D
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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True. “Harman” is probably a more-recognizable and prestigious brand name for audio and home theater.

Too bad they got rid of the prestigious Revel Salon2 and replaced it with a much cheaper downgrade.

They better not do the same to the B&W 800 Diamond speakers. :D
I think that Masimo really trashed the Sound United brand name, and I mean really trashed it. So I think it was smart of Harmon to put it on the ash bin of history. The sooner it is forgotten the better. I for one would be happy to never hear that name again.

I have just found this bureaucratic release from Samsung.

Sound United will continue to operate as a standalone Strategic Business Unit (SBU) within Harman's Lifestyle Division, ensuring that its brands maintain their distinct identities, product lines, and customer bases for the foreseeable future.

Key Details of the Acquisition:
  • Acquiring Company: Harman International, which is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd..
  • Acquired Brands:The acquisition adds Sound United's extensive portfolio of iconic audio brands to Harman's existing lineup. These brands include:
    • Bowers & Wilkins
    • Denon
    • Marantz
    • Polk Audio
    • Definitive Technology
    • Classé
    • HEOS
    • Boston Acoustics
  • Harman's Existing Brands: These new brands join Harman's existing portfolio, which features names like JBL, Harman Kardon, AKG, Mark Levinson, Arcam, and Revel.
  • Operational Plan: Harman has stated that day-to-day operations, distribution channels, and product roadmaps for the Sound United brands will remain largely unchanged in the immediate future to ensure a smooth transition.
  • Strategic Goal: The acquisition is intended to expand Harman's core audio business and leverage the combined engineering expertise and supply chain resources of both companies to drive innovation and provide a more comprehensive audio portfolio across all price points and categories.
 
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lovinthehd

lovinthehd

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I think that Masimo really trashed the Sound United brand name, and I mean really trashed it. So I think it was smart of Harmon to put it on the ash bin of history. The sooner it is forgotten the better. I for one would be happy to never hear that name again.

I have just found this bureaucratic release from Samsung.

Sound United will continue to operate as a standalone Strategic Business Unit (SBU) within Harman's Lifestyle Division, ensuring that its brands maintain their distinct identities, product lines, and customer bases for the foreseeable future.

Key Details of the Acquisition:
  • Acquiring Company: Harman International, which is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd..
  • Acquired Brands:The acquisition adds Sound United's extensive portfolio of iconic audio brands to Harman's existing lineup. These brands include:
    • Bowers & Wilkins
    • Denon
    • Marantz
    • Polk Audio
    • Definitive Technology
    • Classé
    • HEOS
    • Boston Acoustics
  • Harman's Existing Brands: These new brands join Harman's existing portfolio, which features names like JBL, Harman Kardon, AKG, Mark Levinson, Arcam, and Revel.
  • Operational Plan: Harman has stated that day-to-day operations, distribution channels, and product roadmaps for the Sound United brands will remain largely unchanged in the immediate future to ensure a smooth transition.
  • Strategic Goal: The acquisition is intended to expand Harman's core audio business and leverage the combined engineering expertise and supply chain resources of both companies to drive innovation and provide a more comprehensive audio portfolio across all price points and categories.
You really have a thing against Masimo especially without any particular knowledge as to what they did to change anything after acquisition. Then again your corporate and/or business knowledge I find minimal generally. Especially as Sound United let alone Masimo as a brand name didn't have a lot to do with anything.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
True. “Harman” is probably a more-recognizable and prestigious brand name for audio and home theater.

Too bad they got rid of the prestigious Revel Salon2 and replaced it with a much cheaper downgrade.

They better not do the same to the B&W 800 Diamond speakers. :D
Didn't realize Revel Salon 2 was gone (you mean Revel or that specific model?). What was the replacement?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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You really have a thing against Masimo especially without any particular knowledge as to what they did to change anything after acquisition. Then again your corporate and/or business knowledge I find minimal generally. Especially as Sound United let alone Masimo as a brand name didn't have a lot to do with anything.
With very good reason. Masimo were atrocious owners and custodians of Sound United. Just educate yourself.
 
everettT

everettT

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Ah, had seen that both were from different "lines" within the brand or at least that's the way I took it. From what I'd seen mentioned seems they're damn close....
I think, if I'm not mistaken, the the 328be has a much higher sensitivity than the Salon's but don't dig quite as deep, creating a bit more headroom in the mid bass. I'm not sure how much that is splitting hairs as I really was impressed with the Salons overall sound.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

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Ah, had seen that both were from different "lines" within the brand or at least that's the way I took it. From what I'd seen mentioned seems they're damn close....
The 2 Revel speakers probably sound very similar. But the aesthetic and built quality of the Salon2 is just much better. So it appears to be a cost-saving measure.

Masimo did the opposite - they probably improved on aesthetics and built quality of the B&W 800s and made the Marantz AV10/AV20 state of the art in performance, built-quality and aesthetic, which TLS Guy should thank Masimo for. :D

TLS Guy is really pissed off about the AV7706, which was part of the old regime, not Masimo’s fault. The AV10 that he raves about in every post is 100% Masimo’s doing.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
With very good reason. Masimo were atrocious owners and custodians of Sound United. Just educate yourself.
If it weren’t for Masimo, you wouldn’t have the awesome AV10, which you love so much.

The old Sound United sold you the AV7706 that you hated so much, while Masimo sold you the AV10 that you love so much.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
The 2 Revel speakers probably sound very similar. But the aesthetic and built quality of the Salon2 is just much better. So it appears to be a cost-saving measure.

Masimo did the opposite - they probably improved on aesthetics and built quality of the B&W 800s and made the Marantz AV10/AV20 state of the art in performance, built-quality and aesthetic, which TLS Guy should thank Masimo for. :D

TLS Guy is really pissed off about the AV7706, which was part of the old regime, not Masimo’s fault. The AV10 that he raves about in every post is 100% Masimo’s doing.
Or just one that sells better if the performance is up there? Neither look great to me aesthetically in any case. Are the materials cheaper in the 328? I just giggle about TLS and his preamp "corporate" journey/assumptions. Beyond his ken.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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If it weren’t for Masimo, you wouldn’t have the awesome AV10, which you love so much.

The old Sound United sold you the AV7706 that you hated so much, while Masimo sold you the AV10 that you love so much.
Not sure about that. I think Denon Japan probably went their own way in spite of Masimo. Laterly the only part of Masimo that was any good, was Denon Japan out of Shirakawa.
 
P

PENG

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With very good reason. Masimo were atrocious owners and custodians of Sound United. Just educate yourself.
I understand you have had issues with a couple of your Marantz AVPs but they alone is not a reason to call them atrocious owners. From what I can see, Masimo has done an above average job in improving their potential customers knowledge of their AVRs and AVPs prior to making their final decision. They have had offered multiple online product training type of marketing info, too bad mostly on YT and I had to do the print screens to save the info I want to keep. Yes, those are still highly marketing oriented, but at least they always involved a couple of product mangers in those presentations and offer include online FAQ towards to end who obviously have relatively strong technical knowledge, even when paired with their typical sales guy like Mr. Phil Jones (a good communicator), they would usually wisely support him with our @gene who, while tend to never forget wearing his commercial hat/brain (wish he could conveniently forget to put that one sometimes haha...but I understand..) could/would be there to moderate/remind etc., when Mr. Jones lean too far into the marketing side.

I really hope Harman is big enough to continue Masimo practice in offer such semi educational presentations when they launch new products. If you haven't want those videos, I suggest you should, because like many, you have the ability to understand block diagrams and schematics, so you can appreciate or not, whether the info presented would/could support noticeable improvements that might or may not justify upgrading to the new models. Have you ever watch the one, I surely have linked them before, on the AV10 and AV20, you obviously love your AV10 so may be you won't bother spending an hour watching the video but you may, if you are a curious person like me.

To save you time searching, here's to link again, to one of those example that Masimo has been offering and hopefully Harmon will continue doing something better or at least similar. Surely that would increase their cost overall but they must have done their job to determine if the added cost would be offset by potentially increased sales by picking the more technically inclined customers who like to know things like which DAC, volume, OPA, multiplexor switch ICs ore even resistor, caps tolerances, and most importantly the DSP engine ICs, without such technical info, those customers, me anyway, would hesitate spending more or upgrades that tend to cost more and may even get less in the end.

Marantz AV 10 & AMP 10: New Flagship AV Seperates!

Also from what I can see, no other holding companies, including Sound United (before the Masimo acquisition), Yamaha, and those who own Integra/Onkyo/Pioneer etc., or JBL, NAD, Anthem offer any such in depth and have relatively technical online sessions.

On the reliability side, all D+M's competitors including those their fan base considered worth paying premium prices for such as Anthem, Arcam, NAD, just to name a few, and even the budget oriented Emotiva lines do appear to have more reports on their reliabilities, even bugs by owners, but their fan base customers tend to be a lot more forging then guys like us here on Audioholics.
 
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