Is it time to Ditch Vinyl?

Is it Time to Dump Vinyl?

  • Yes. High Res digital streaming is better and here to stay.

    Votes: 20 41.7%
  • No way man. Vinyl is still king.

    Votes: 5 10.4%
  • Embrace all formats, even 8-Track!

    Votes: 23 47.9%

  • Total voters
    48
Auditor55

Auditor55

Audioholic General
I succumbed to the vinyl revival about 4 years ago thinking that the technology of it had perhaps improved to eliminate the snap, crackle, and pop of it all. Purchasing a new Technics SL-1210GR, a Jico Boron SAS stylus for one of my Shure V15V-MR Cartridges, as well as a dozen new LPs, I thought, YES, nirvana here I come; but, the experience I expected has not yet come to fruition and I suspect I will not reach the desired destination from it; yet, on occasion, I have indeed sensed a life-like presence from vinyl, which I have not gleaned from CDs or SACDs of same content. One example of this "presence" is heard from an Eagles Greatest Hits LP I bought just a few weeks ago. At any rate, vinyl play is mostly just novelty for me these days, since streaming Apple Music satisfies in all manner of quality and convenience.
Placebo.
 
Eppie

Eppie

Audioholic General
No, going to disagree with that one. This isn't simply about which technology is better. A lot of it comes down to mixing and recording engineering. I have heard some remixed classic albums where I definitely prefer the original LP over the remix. Others have been a nice improvement over the original. While I'm on the side that believes that digital is superior when all things are treated equal, I don't think it would be all that hard to find an LP that sounds superior to it's digital counterpart, even with the occasional pop and click. Now if you were comparing identical mixes on LP vs CD, then I would agree that expectation bias comes into play.
 
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Auditor55

Auditor55

Audioholic General
No, going to disagree with that one. This isn't simply about which technology is better. A lot of it comes down to mixing and recording engineering. I have heard some remixed classic albums where I definitely prefer the original LP over the remix. Others have been a nice improvement over the original. While I'm on the side that believes that digital is superior when all things are treated equal, I don't think it would be all that hard to find an LP that sounds superior to it's digital counterpart, even with the occasional pop and click. Now if you were comparing identical mixes on LP vs CD, then I would agree that expectation bias come into play.
The very fact that vinyl has audible cracks and pops let me know it's less than high fidelity. It's a reminder that it's an inferior medium. I know audiophiles like vinyl because it's warmer (noise), but I prefer the clear, noiseless and dynamics that digital formats like CD give me over vinyl.
 
Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Samurai
The very fact that vinyl has audible cracks and pops let me know it's less than high fidelity. It's a reminder that it's an inferior medium. I know audiophiles like vinyl because it's warmer (noise), but I prefer the clear, noiseless and dynamics that digital formats like CD give me over vinyl.
while I understand your point there are those of us that know how to minimize pops, crackles and such. Regardless, good luck trying to find a 'CD' of this superb recording .......

 
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sterling shoote

Audioholic Field Marshall
No, going to disagree with that one. This isn't simply about which technology is better. A lot of it comes down to mixing and recording engineering. I have heard some remixed classic albums where I definitely prefer the original LP over the remix. Others have been a nice improvement over the original. While I'm on the side that believes that digital is superior when all things are treated equal, I don't think it would be all that hard to find an LP that sounds superior to it's digital counterpart, even with the occasional pop and click. Now if you were comparing identical mixes on LP vs CD, then I would agree that expectation bias comes into play.
While the this vs that banter rages, some, like you, having well reasoned opinions gleaned from a lot of experience with recorded music media and the equipment to needed to play such media, understand that the concept of "better" has not been won by either LP or CD enthusiast camps. There are conundrums galore, which preclude any camp from declaring victory. Sometimes I am even surprised when the media I suspect will entertain better falls short of the expectation. For example, I just bought The Dark Side Of The Moon in 5.1 SACD. I generally prefer 5.1 over stereo; but, this multi-channel SACD is a mess, a totally illogical juxtaposition of effects, which makes listening just plain nauseating.
 
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sterling shoote

Audioholic Field Marshall
The very fact that vinyl has audible cracks and pops let me know it's less than high fidelity. It's a reminder that it's an inferior medium. I know audiophiles like vinyl because it's warmer (noise), but I prefer the clear, noiseless and dynamics that digital formats like CD give me over vinyl.
What snap, crackle, and pops let you know is the LP is defective, dirty, or full of static. These anomalies preclude me from satisfaction with LPs in general; however, there are many instances where the sound of LPs do indeed sound better to me than the same recording on CD, or SACD, where better is mostly about: presence, airiness, and dynamic range. On the other hand, overall, I gravitate to 5.1 SACDs. After listening to multi-channel going back to stereo is like going back to a Coke that has gone flat, no fizz. At any rate, no placebos here, just conundrums, which are about as big a deal as how a shaved headed man combs his hair.
 
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Auditor55

Auditor55

Audioholic General
What snap, crackle, and pops let you know is the LP is defective, dirty, or full of static. These anomalies preclude me from satisfaction with LPs in general; however, there are many instances where the sound of LPs do indeed sound better to me than the same recording on CD, or SACD, where better is mostly about: presence, airiness, and dynamic range. On the other hand, overall, I gravitate to 5.1 SACDs. After listening to multi-channel going back to stereo is like going back to a Coke that has gone flat, no fizz. At any rate, no placebos here, just conundrums, which are about as big a deal as how a shaved headed man combs his hair.
When you have a moment, please listen to this discussion, starting at 20.45 to the 26.00 point of the video, as it is a part that is very relevant to this topic.

We might love vinyl and there are some recordings that sound better to us than what they do on CD, but it's because they are high-fidelity recordings.
 
Eppie

Eppie

Audioholic General
When you have a moment, please listen to this discussion, starting at 20.45 to the 26.00 point of the video, as it is a part that is very relevant to this topic.

We might love vinyl and there are some recordings that sound better to us than what they do on CD, but it's because they are high-fidelity recordings.
Some great information in that presentation. (I had to laugh too about the Ampeg in the attic.)
EDIT: I ended up listening to the whole thing. Recommended!
 
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WookieGR

Audioholic
I love streaming my DSD64 / DSD128 files from my server to my Denon. I can't imagine starting a collection of vinyl now with all the space it takes up and the cost in more equipment. Even though I am tempted to from time to time. I grew up in a hippie commune in the 70's and the house we lived in was wall to wall, floor to ceiling LP's everywhere you could see. I'm sure, now as an adult the rooms would be a lot smaller then they were to me then.
 
Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Samurai
When you have a moment, please listen to this discussion, starting at 20.45 to the 26.00 point of the video, as it is a part that is very relevant to this topic.
Point made to which I agree and I have stated many times over, that starting out today with analog makes little sense but this old fart and his 1500 or so LP's still enjoys the ritual !
 
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sterling shoote

Audioholic Field Marshall
When you have a moment, please listen to this discussion, starting at 20.45 to the 26.00 point of the video, as it is a part that is very relevant to this topic.

We might love vinyl and there are some recordings that sound better to us than what they do on CD, but it's because they are high-fidelity recordings.
i used to produce radio commercials on reel to reel, then went to DAT in 1992 (2 Sony PCM-7010F's controlled by a Sony RMD-7200 auto editor). This tech was better in all manner than reel to reel; thus, better in all manner than vinyl. At any rate, while I have no impression that vinyl technology out performs today's digital technology, I do have some LPs which I prefer to listen to rather than their CD or SACD versions.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Overlord
i used to produce radio commercials on reel to reel, then went to DAT in 1992 (2 Sony PCM-7010F's controlled by a Sony RMD-7200 auto editor). This tech was better in all manner than reel to reel; thus, better in all manner than vinyl. At any rate, while I have no impression that vinyl technology out performs today's digital technology, I do have some LPs which I prefer to listen to rather than their CD or SACD versions.
Yep. It all boils down to the mastering and production.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
i used to produce radio commercials on reel to reel, then went to DAT in 1992 (2 Sony PCM-7010F's controlled by a Sony RMD-7200 auto editor). This tech was better in all manner than reel to reel; thus, better in all manner than vinyl. At any rate, while I have no impression that vinyl technology out performs today's digital technology, I do have some LPs which I prefer to listen to rather than their CD or SACD versions.
Did you do multich 5.1 or beyond or mono or 2ch stereo or ?
 

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