Health care...Yeah or Nay

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GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

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Not at all.:)
I know the system needs fixing.
("private health care is more efficient")
I don't think that was ever anyone's point of contention.

It just rouses my suspicion when such a big and important overall is rushed through. All while we're in a recession? The same way the Bailout money was rushed, and now a year later, 2/3rds is still not applied.

Private industry has always been in bed with both sides government. The people that think industry sleeps with Republicans only, doesn't know how politics is really played. (speaking in general, not a shot at you)
I agree that the bill looks like it's been rushed through. The little bit I've gleaned from the media doesn't fill me with confidence that it'll work very well.:( As for the cost, yeah, the timing could be better. But, I'm guessing that the longer they waited, the less likely it would be to get something through at all. We'll have to wait and see...
 
bandphan

bandphan

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"It's just going to be like Christmas," said DeCarlo Flythe, who lost health coverage for his family when he was laid off almost three years ago. "It's going to be great. You know, no worries (about) the bills. We are going to go ahead and pay our co-pay and be alright."
from this story

This is what make me laugh, handouts:rolleyes::D
 
Shock

Shock

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It's "smart ads" they basically show something related to key words within the thread. Admin doesn't control those AFAIK.
I can assure you that Audioholics is NOT Republican since I am the owner and I want nothing to do with that party. I have NOT seen those ads but I will see if they can be blocked. thanks.
Do I really have to put a ":)" or ";)" after every joke for you guys?

;)
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
I believe we have the monkey covered...turtles I'd have to look into....;):)
This is good to hear. In fact, I bet Alex is doing his "Funky Monkey" dance as we speak............LOL!!!!!! Unless, of course, it is in the water so to speak! Crazier things have happened right? :eek::p:eek:



Cheers,

Phil
 
Shock

Shock

Audioholic General
So I found out where the first 130 million dollars is going to go to.


Paying back Office Depot.

 
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tonygeno

Junior Audioholic
How is not based on facts??? Here are some links that might help you look at the "Facts." It gives you some figures...go ahead and take a look!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States (look under Health Care Spending)

http://dll.umaine.edu/ble/U.S. HCweb.pdf (based on 1998 statistics)

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5510RC20090602 (almost 1/5 in this article)
They're not "taking it over". The private insurance based system (which makes money by not providing care), is still in full force. The current employer based system (and I'm an employer that offers health insurance to his employees and pays 100% of the premiums) will not change. It's still the same. Health care is $2.5 trillion a year and this bill will cost $1 trillion (on the high end) over a decade. How the hell is that "taking over" 1/6th of the economy. I repeat, it's a republican talking point not based in the facts.
 
Nemo128

Nemo128

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I find it hard to believe a country that's not third world, wouldn't have universal health care for all.
The majority (50% +1 at least) don't care even to the slightest degree about their fellow citizens, or about the whole of humanity save themselves in general.

They can't even take care of the veterans well.
They, they, THEY! DEFINE THEY PLEASE. I know (and work with) veterans that run the gamut from poor care to the best of care. Evaluating care is a case by case basis. Let's stick to statistical data and not opinions.

Im pretty sure one of your PMs just came on down for heatlh care;)
In other words, you're confirming that this country's medical sector places a higher value on those with money than those without. Agreed. Moving on.

You think executives at for profit insurance companies have your best interests at heart?
Medicine is a for-profit industry.

This bill has nothing to do with turtles...
or health care for that matter.
Concur.

not trying to argue, but...
He didn't engage, he stated a fact. :p

If that were true, why does the US already have the fattest people on earth.
Statistically you are incorrect. However, if you consider only those developed nations that the US would consider its peers, certainly correct. For the record, Mexico has the highest obesity percentage of population in the world.

I have a very close friend that works as a Welfare case worker. He tells me that on any given day, 70% of his clients are cheating the system, and truly shouldn't be on welfare.

The fraudulent cases go unreported because, if they lost that many people from the Welfare system, then case workers know they would lose their jobs. So the system perpetuates.:(
So your friend is part of the problem, not the solution. Nice.

we decided to instead have the BEST health care system the world has ever known.
to append your statement: for those who can afford it. For the record, I'm one of those, but I don't ignore the disadvantages of those who can't.

So is a disarmed one.
Newark NJ crime statistics showed that a very high percentage, over 65%, of the firearms recovered from crimes over the last 3 years were guns bought in other states, most notably VA and West VA. Nice that those states are so lax in their gun control policies. I should go pick one up.

Not according to the World Health Organization.
Concur.

But, private health care is more efficient, why is the US health care system the most expensive on the planet?
It's good marketing. Magic Johnson looks healthier than a champion steed, yet we have children dying from easily curable illnesses because they get rejected for treatment or their treatment is mishandled due to lack of insurance. But who cares about those people anyway.

If times get tough, we tighten our belts and mind you I grew up poor enough to remember two generations of hand me downs and my folks buying a freezer just so we could freeze day old bread.
Ditto. Were you worth less as a person when you were that poor? That's what the actions of our medical sector say. Just be glad you never ran into a situation where they could share that viewpoint with you firsthand.

Evidently you put more credence in what some socialist from the United Nations has to say than I do.

I have as much respect for the UN as I do for the huffington post, the daily kos, move on, and the criminal organization formerly known as ACORN.
Well, if you put it that way, then absolutely.

Do I really have to put a ":)" or ";)" after every joke for you guys?

;)
In a policital discussion? You should know better. :)

In closing, this "reform" will fail without question. We as a society fail without question. The day we ALL sit home and ALL refuse to vote for more of the same is the day we can truly change things. As it stands, the "dog eat dog" mentality is exactly what will destroy us. Too many people are willing to run out and vote not for FOR who they believe is GOOD for us, but rather vote AGAINST who they believe is BAD for us.

When you choose between the lesser of two evils, prepare for some degree of evil. It starts NOT at the top with the president, but at the lowest levels with your mayors, governors, and congress members. The CIC doesn't hold nearly as much power over public policy as some people love to believe.
 
bandphan

bandphan

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They're not "taking it over". The private insurance based system (which makes money by not providing care), is still in full force. The current employer based system (and I'm an employer that offers health insurance to his employees and pays 100% of the premiums) will not change. It's still the same. Health care is $2.5 trillion a year and this bill will cost $1 trillion (on the high end) over a decade. How the hell is that "taking over" 1/6th of the economy. I repeat, it's a republican talking point not based in the facts.
With all due respect and I did say with all due respect, other than the CBO (and they are not sure) no one really knows what this bill is going to cost, especially if you factor in all the presents. We are only at the beginning of this and a little time is going to be needed to sort it all. The whole process stunk, and thats a fact.
 
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tonygeno

Junior Audioholic
Why not show that the government can run the Medicare system and the almost bankrupt Social Security system first?
Actually, Social Security is nowhere near bankrupt. The problem is that the government owes it trillions of dollars after raiding it to pay for wars of convenience, tax cuts for the rich, etc.
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

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They're not "taking it over". The private insurance based system (which makes money by not providing care), is still in full force. The current employer based system (and I'm an employer that offers health insurance to his employees and pays 100% of the premiums) will not change. It's still the same. Health care is $2.5 trillion a year and this bill will cost $1 trillion (on the high end) over a decade. How the hell is that "taking over" 1/6th of the economy. I repeat, it's a republican talking point not based in the facts.
Yes, and we all know that when the government says it costs $1.0 Trillion, that's exactly what it will cost, not a dollar more.:D:rolleyes: No cost overruns for them.
I have visions of the proverbial $700 government hammer.:D
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

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Actually, Social Security is nowhere near bankrupt. The problem is that the government owes it trillions of dollars after raiding it to pay for wars of convenience, tax cuts for the rich, etc.
If you think those were the only times SS was raided, you don't know politics.:confused:
 
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tonygeno

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So what?

Evidently you put more credence in what some socialist from the United Nations has to say than I do.

I have as much respect for the UN as I do for the huffington post, the daily kos, move on, and the criminal organization formerly known as ACORN.
Yep, everyone in the world is socialist except us. Thank God for socialist (communist) China, or we'd be in the crapper long ago. All the capitalists moved the jobs over to communist China to increase shareholder value: we're rapidly approaching the time when we won't be able to buy anything because no-one will be working. Long live shareholder value!
 
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tonygeno

Junior Audioholic
With all due respect and I did say with all due respect, other than the CBO no one really knows what this bill is going to cost, especially if you factor in all the presents. We are only at the beginning of this and a little time is going to be needed to sort it all. The whole process stunk, and thats a fact.
If the republicans had followed David Frum's advice and negotiated instead of obstructed we would have got a better bill. But Jim DiMented and his cronies decided stopping health care reform would be Obama's Waterloo and we are, where we are. That said, double the cost to 2 trillion and it's still nowhere near a government "takeover" of 1/6 of the economy.
 
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tonygeno

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Yes, and we all know that when the government says it costs $1.0 Trillion, that's exactly what it will cost, not a dollar more.:D:rolleyes: No cost overruns for them.
I have visions of the proverbial $700 government hammer.:D
Still. Taking over 1/6th of the economy? No way. A republican talking point meant to scare people.
 
Shock

Shock

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Is it just me or do American's just love arguing? I mean If Obama went on record that he hates mosquito bites I'm sure his opponents would go on the record declaring that they love mosquito bites and then list all of the ways mosquito bites are a key part of society.

For the record, I hate mosquito bites.
 
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tonygeno

Junior Audioholic
Is it just me or do American's just love arguing? I mean If Obama went on record that he hates mosquito bites I'm sure his opponents would go on the record declaring that they love mosquito bites and then list all of the ways mosquito bites are a key part of society.

For the record, I hate mosquito bites.
True Dat.:)
 
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