Health care...Yeah or Nay

[GO-NAD!]

Ill be waiting to see you at the doctor in Orlando

Aah, you've seen through my little scheme! Disneyworld is just a cover story. I'm actually going to get a boil removed from my a**. You're just toooo smart!

 

[Rickster71]

It sounds like many are confusing a good health care system, with this thing that a bunch of politicians that are millionaires and lawyers rushed through with back room deals. (what happened to the campaign promise of changing how government did business?)

It doesn't take effect until 2014, so why rush it through?
Why not show that the government can run the Medicare system and the almost bankrupt Social Security system first?

Here is an example of one of my concerns that reflects just a tiny part of how government doesn't work:
I have a very close friend that works as a Welfare case worker. He tells me that on any given day, 70% of his clients are cheating the system, and truly shouldn't be on welfare.

The fraudulent cases go unreported because, if they lost that many people from the Welfare system, then case workers know they would lose their jobs. So the system perpetuates.

 

[MinusTheBear]

The only way I would give up my Canadian Health Care is if Dr. Gregory House was accepting news patients.

 

[GO-NAD!]

It sounds like many are confusing a good health care system, with this thing that a bunch of politicians that are millionaires and lawyers rushed through with back room deals. (what happened to the campaign promise of changing how government did business?)

It doesn't take effect until 2014, so why rush it through?
Why not show that the government can run the Medicare system and the almost bankrupt Social Security system first?

Here is an example of one of my concerns that reflects just a tiny part of how government doesn't work:
I have a very close friend that works as a Welfare case worker. He tells me that on any given day, 70% of his clients are cheating the system, and truly shouldn't be on welfare.

The fraudulent cases go unreported because, if they lost that many people from the Welfare system, then case workers know they would lose their jobs. So the system perpetuates.

I'm not sure you can make a direct comparison between welfare and health care. Are people going to fein illness or injury, just to get free health care? Regarding welfare, cheating goes on up here as well and it ticks me off to no end!

 

[James NM]

Wait....what health care bill? What country do you all live in? I know it's not Ethiopia since you wouldn't have internet either. I find it hard to believe a country that's not third world, wouldn't have universal health care for all.

The USA went a different route (until now). Instead of having universal (socialized) health care, we decided to instead have the BEST health care system the world has ever known.

 

[James NM]

... An ignorant citizen is subservient one.

So is a disarmed one.

 

[Rickster71]

I'm not sure you can make a direct comparison between welfare and health care. Are people going to fein illness or injury, just to get free health care? Regarding welfare, cheating goes on up here as well and it ticks me off to no end!

I was speaking more to the mismanagement in government in general, and the way it perpetuates and grows itself, all unbeknown to the taxpayer.

 

[majorloser]

So is a disarmed one.

I'm a Republican and very well armed

So now everyone has more reasons to hate me.

 

[GO-NAD!]

I was speaking more to the mismanagement in government in general, and the way it perpetuates and grows itself, all unbeknown to the taxpayer.

I gotcha now. Government can be inefficient, that's for sure. But, private health care is more efficient, why is the US health care system the most expensive on the planet? I'm not trying to argumentative, I would just like to be more/better informed. I'm not against private health care, as a matter of principal. The best systems in the world appear to have a good mix of public and private.

 

[MinusTheBear]

The USA went a different route (until now). Instead of having universal (socialized) health care, we decided to instead have the BEST health care system the world has ever known.

Not according to the World Health Organization.

 

[Rickster71]

I gotcha now. Government can be inefficient, that's for sure. But, private health care is more efficient, why is the US health care system the most expensive on the planet? I'm not trying to argumentative, I would just like to be more/better informed. I'm not against private health care, as a matter of principal. The best systems in the world appear to have a good mix of public and private.

Not at all.
I know the system needs fixing.
("private health care is more efficient")
I don't think that was ever anyone's point of contention.

It just rouses my suspicion when such a big and important overall is rushed through. All while we're in a recession? The same way the Bailout money was rushed, and now a year later, 2/3rds is still not applied.

Private industry has always been in bed with both sides government. The people that think industry sleeps with Republicans only, doesn't know how politics is really played. (speaking in general, not a shot at you)

 

[Rickster71]

Aah, you've seen through my little scheme! Disneyworld is just a cover story.

You're going to Disney?

 

[majorloser]

Are turtles covered by the health care bill?

 

[Chu Gai]

I gotcha now. Government can be inefficient, that's for sure. But, private health care is more efficient, why is the US health care system the most expensive on the planet? I'm not trying to argumentative, I would just like to be more/better informed. I'm not against private health care, as a matter of principal. The best systems in the world appear to have a good mix of public and private.

I don't know the answer to that GO, but computing and comparing health care costs around the world is more complex than the cost of a bottle of aspirin which in itself has hidden complexities. I can recount a single story which may shed some light. A number of years ago my father was involved in a car accident and his arm (above the elbow) was broken. X-Rays said it was a clean break and between auto insurance, medicare, and private insurance, he had no out of pocket expenses. However, I saw the bill and what procedures were performed. There were a couple of MRI's done even though he had no head trauma and was wearing a seat belt including at least one of his arm. Now, even though he had no out of pocket expenses, I asked his doctor why this was the case? He said essentially that the additional procedures were done to guard against the possibility of any lawsuits because he did not excercise tests that could've been performed but weren't.

With respect to the whole healthcare thing, I'm leery of government of putting their hands on my money. I'm skeptical of any politician who will vote one way or the other depending upon whether another politician supports something they're interested in. I don't like relying on the government and I don't like fearing it. Better they should fear me. IMO, republican or democrat, they don't respect my money the way I do. If times get tough, we tighten our belts and mind you I grew up poor enough to remember two generations of hand me downs and my folks buying a freezer just so we could freeze day old bread.

Not according to the World Health Organization.

They haven't maintained rankings for the past 10 years and it appears they no longer will.

 

[James NM]

Not according to the World Health Organization.

So what?

Evidently you put more credence in what some socialist from the United Nations has to say than I do.

I have as much respect for the UN as I do for the huffington post, the daily kos, move on, and the criminal organization formerly known as ACORN.

 

[Matt34]

Are turtles covered by the health care bill?

I don't know, but they should be.

 

[James NM]

Because the government isn't doing away with private health care?

Really?

 

[MinusTheBear]

So what?

Evidently you put more credence in what some socialist from the United Nations has to say than I do.

I have as much respect for the UN as I do for the huffington post, the daily kos, move on, and the criminal organization formerly known as ACORN.

If one claims something is "the best" it always can be supported by objective data. All what you claim is an opinion (which is fine) but don't try to spin it into something factual.

 

[speakerman39]

Are turtles covered by the health care bill?

What about monkeys? It would be down right stupidity to include turtles and exclude monkeys. Just ask Alex.........LOL!!!!!



Cheers,

Phil

 

[Chu Gai]

If one claims something is "the best" it always can be supported by objective data. All what you claim is an opinion (which is fine) but don't try to spin it into something factual.

Sure, but that depends how the data is mined. It's often been said that the infant mortality rate is high with respect to other countries and if you simply count births and deaths that's how things would shake out. But consider the following, in the US there exist techniques, technology, and skill sets that allow for infants who are born well before their time to have the ability to survive outside the womb. Some of the other countries that the US is being compared to don't. They don't even try to get a 5 month old fetus a chance because the means to do so don't exist to the same degree as they do here if at all. Hence, our infant mortality rate isn't just calculated for normal or near normal term fetuses, it includes those that are quite premature. As a consequence of having the ability and willingness to bring a second trimester baby and have it survive, you're going to win some and lose some. That's going to affect your overall numbers but doesn't tell the whole story. So, while the WHO may make attempts at assigning numerical rankings, getting the whole story so that it's not dumbed down by a single number is going to take a whole lot more work.