Harman Kardon Beats Denon

[wire]

Prices are different there, and that's too bad. I don't know the circumstances of your situation at that moment, but there are some things to consider.

Was the Yamaha a surround receiver? There were a lot of features you had to pay for.

Was the Yamaha just a receiver? You still had to pay for the tuner.

Was the Denon an older outgoing model? This drops the price a good bit.

And lastly, it just might have been the deal of the day. All of us run into this on a daily basis, and we try to post our findings so people can get that good deal.

You said the Denon was $200. You said the Yamaha was 30% more. That makes it $260. No big deal. Depends on the features the end user was needing as to which was the better deal. I also doubt you were going to be able to get a Denon tuner for $60.

Both where regular listings the Yammy was 2 channel . My be the tuner took all power from the power supply to power the Yammy . Maybe thats why it couldnt perform .

 

[zumbo]

Both where regular listings the Yammy was 2 channel . My be the tuner took all power from the power supply to power the Yammy . Maybe thats why it couldnt perform .

Listings?

It couldn't perform because it was an entry-level receiver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K80CIQPwruU

 

[zumbo]

Just to show you that Yamaha is not trying to rip people off, here is an example.

Denon 80x2 Integrated amp. Retail is $1200.00
http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/553.asp

Denon 80x2 receiver. Retail is $399.00
http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3364.asp

Yamaha 85x2 integrated amp. Retail is $449.95
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=200108&CTID=5002300

Yamaha 75x2 receiver. Retail is $399.95
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=200029&CTID=5000600

Can you spot the bargain here? Not so fast. To explain why this Denon integrated amp cost so much more than the Yamaha is easy. The Denon will do 160W@4ohm, while the Yamaha will only do 100W@4ohm. It all depends on the actual selling price someone could find.

 

[wire]

Just to show you that Yamaha is not trying to rip people off, here is an example.

Denon 80x2 Integrated amp. Retail is $1200.00
http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/553.asp

Denon 80x2 receiver. Retail is $399.00
http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3364.asp

Yamaha 85x2 integrated amp. Retail is $449.95
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=200108&CTID=5002300

Yamaha 75x2 receiver. Retail is $399.95
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=200029&CTID=5000600

Can you spot the bargain here? Not so fast. To explain why this Denon integrated amp cost so much more than the Yamaha is easy. The Denon will do 160W@4ohm, while the Yamaha will only do 100W@4ohm. It all depends on the actual selling price someone could find.

Nope try again
The Yammy was 85 X 2 reciever and the more powerful Denon was 40 x 2 integrated .

 

[zumbo]

Nope try again
The Yammy was 85 X 2 reciever and the more powerful Denon was 40 x 2 integrated .

Those are current products. Has nothing to do with your example. You are a stubborn one. It was an example to prove that Yamaha is not out to rip people off.

I totally understand that an integrated amp will out-perform an entry-level receiver.

For heavens sake man.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K80CIQPwruU

 

[Alex2507]

LOL! That's pretty sick.

 

[gmichael]

That's it. When I get home tonight I'm going to slap my Yamahas around for a bit. How dare they.

 

[wire]

Those are current products. Has nothing to do with your example. You are a stubborn one. It was an example to prove that Yamaha is not out to rip people off.

I totally understand that an integrated amp will out-perform an entry-level receiver.

For heavens sake man.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K80CIQPwruU

I don't know, i have not heard all this listed equiment , all i read about the New Yammy's are High Current ( yeh , right ) .
Have you heard all this equipment , are you a Yammy rep ( the 1 i met recently was cool with what i said to him and didn't get this defensive ) ?

 

[zumbo]

I don't know, i have not heard all this listed equiment , all i read about the New Yammy's are High Current ( yeh , right ) .
Have you heard all this equipment , are you a Yammy rep ( the 1 i met recently was cool with what i said to him and didn't get this defensive ) ?

Not defensive. For some strange reason, I feel the need to help you. As I said before, I find it hard to believe that you don't understand you were not comparing direct competing products.

If you take the engine out of the family car will all the options for everything, and put it in a frame with throttle and brakes, it's going to be faster. Doesn't matter what name is on the front bumper.

 

[wire]

Not defensive. For some strange reason, I feel the need to help you. As I said before, I find it hard to believe that you don't understand you were not comparing direct competing products.

If you take the engine out of the family car will all the options for everything, and put it in a frame with throttle and brakes, it's going to be faster. Doesn't matter what name is on the front bumper.

Yes
they where not direct competeing products , The yammy should have out performed the Denon and it didnt even come close .

 

[ParadigmDawg]

Thread is dead...everybody shut up.....

 

[zumbo]

Yes
they where not direct competeing products , The yammy should have out performed the Denon and it didnt even come close .

Oh brother where art though?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoIebIKNS4s

 

[wire]

Oh brother where art though?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoIebIKNS4s

hehe
I know that 85 watt per Channel Yammy , was totally owned by a little 40 x 2 Denon .

 

[Alex2507]

Alright, I think everybody has the jist of it. The very best Yamaha will be out classed by the very worst Denon.

 

[fmw]

My dad can beat your dad.

 

[Seth=L]

Thread become beyond interesting, I am weak I know.

So, wire, I will try your arguing style.

The Yamaha amplifier section is just as good as any other.

 

[Seth=L]

My dad can beat your dad.

My dad is totally better at beating than your dad.

 

[ParadigmDawg]

I knew you couldnt stay quite...

My dad is totally better at beating than your dad.

 

[smurphy522]

My Dad......Your Dad; My Mom.......Your Mom.

Come on!

I just read about 2/3rds of this thread and quit. As it got off the path @ the 4th page. Let's just say that personal taste and individual perception is the most important factor when buying something. Now if any of you wants to say "here this receiver X is better" and then actually go out and buy it for me then OK. How can I debate that, I didn't even shell out the coin for it so who cares.

Elvis1977, hats off to you for the thread title, that is really why it is over 20 pages long, 200+ replies and 6500+ views. I don't recall anyone for thanking Elvis, especially an administrator or more importantly one of the owners of the forum itself for getting such "play". This thread undoubtably caused some rift and probably caused some to actually join the forum in order to post.

I too have loved H/K for some time. I also have JBL and Infinity speakers, see sig. I got many of these for free or well below retail back in my days of CC employment. However, I have listened to many new speakers and have to say that for the $ JBL is still a pretty good bet.

Again this is like saying a blue display is better than a green or orange one, hey maybe I'll start that thread!

At least Elvis1977 took the time to try and set up a good A/B test. We can only mention and hope levels and such were somewhat equal. Remember that for most of us to even truely percieve a difference it has to be interpreted within 6-10 seconds from one another, just plain simple "human hearing memory".

Cheers.

 

[wire]

Hey for HT , its just fine . 2 channel its a different story .
Hey Elvis , nice thread and thanks for the work . Its a cool hobby .

Guess were the only 2 to thank him .