* Everything Important To Know About A/v Surround Receivers, But Were Afraid To Ask.*

[AcuDefTechGuy]

> Class D Amplifiers: The Way of the Future? <

* http://www.nuforce.com/reviews/AVGuide-ClassDamp.pdf

>> Bel Canto class-D Amps + AUDYSSEY MultEQ Pro3.0 Room-Correction Software. <<

* http://stereophile.com/musicintheround/music_in_the_round_35/index.html

Hmm...

Way of the future?

Not according to Gene & Audioholics.

Remember Gene says some of the so-called "1000-watts" Class-D amps are equivalent to approx 50 watts of continuous power from 20Hz-20kHz w/ like 10dB of headroom (or something like that) ?

Doesn't sound like the way of the future to me.

If it were, I think Denon would have jumped on it already.

Instead, Denon built the $7K 120 lbs solid state amp.

 

[Lordoftherings]

30 Watts x 2 ch @ 8 ohms.

Are you kidding me?

Nope, I'm not kidding no one. Did you read the review? There is more to numbers than what the mind thinks. (Or more that meets the eyes. )

Forget 1080p PJs!

4K PJs are already here.

We just need to wait 3 more years for the prices to come down.

... And meanwhile during these three years, you can have an amazing projector for less than three grand.

So why numbers one and two?

Because for the majority (98.9%) of people they are useless. If senodalar would be using one of the two, he would have mentioned it already.
* By the way, Lip Sync is a one way street, to be truly useful, it should be a two-way street. And it is more for very long cables too, like a cable hiding in the walls to a projector, that it can become useful.
** And xvYCC is mainly for a projector (senodalar has a flat panel LCD TV), not many flat panel TVs take advantage of this. Is his model Samsung LCD TV does?
And you also need the matching source to make it work.
*** My recommendations are for sedonalar particular situation.

Way of the future?

Not according to Gene & Audioholics.

Remember Gene says some of the so-called "1000-watts" Class-D amps are equivalent to approx 50 watts of continuous power from 20Hz-20kHz w/ like 10dB of headroom (or something like that) ?

Doesn't sound like the way of the future to me.

If it were, I think Denon would have jumped on it already.

Instead, Denon built the $7K 120 lbs solid state amp.

Did you read the title of my post? "Class D Ampplifiers: The Way of the Future?

* What comes right after Future?

 

[Lordoftherings]

Need a top notch Blu-ray player for your new Receiver and Display?

About the Best Universal Blu-ray Player to go with your new Display and Receiver?
* The OPPO BDP-83 *

* http://www.hometheatermag.com/discplayers/oppo_bdp-83_universal_blu-ray_player/

-> At only $499, I'm in for one.

 

[3db]

I see the eventuality of every manufacturering going to class D because of a materials cost savings alone. I'm not excited myself about class D but its the wave.

 

[Lordoftherings]

I see the eventuality of every manufacturering going to class D because of a materials cost savings alone. I'm not excited myself about class D but its the wave.

Good morning my good friend from the East coast of Canada, 3db.
How's life these days over there?

Oh, I also believe that we will see more manufacturers join the Class D amps group, but it will never take over our legacy Class AB designs, not for quite a long time. And if it ever happens, we'll be long gone.

 

[bandphan]

Because for the majority (98.9%) of people they are useless. If senodalar would be using one of the two, he would have mentioned it already.
* By the way, Lip Sync is a one way street, to be truly useful, it should be a two-way street. And it is more for very long cables too, like a cable hiding in the walls to a projector, that it can become useful.
** And xvYCC is mainly for a projector (senodalar has a flat panel LCD TV), not many flat panel TVs take advantage of this. Is his model Samsung LCD TV does?
And you also need the matching source to make it work.
*** My recommendations are for sedonalar particular situation.

Yes his display supports it and deep color is not limited to projectors by any means. Take read here on the subject. And where did you come up with that statistic? Lip Sync can be source related also not just delay in distance, which most of the time isnt the problem.

 

[Lordoftherings]

Yes his display supports it and deep color is not limited to projectors by any means. Take read here on the subject. And where did you come up with that statistic? Lip Sync can be source related also not just delay in distance, which most of the time isnt the problem.

Good morning bandphan,

Wow! That's a great link bandphan! Thank you very much, I'm sure that few people can make good use of it.

You know, I'm not an expert on this. I thought that xvYCC cannot be fully realised yet? Maybe because there are no sources that can provide it?

Lip Sync, oh ya, the old culprit of HDMI screwed up standards.
Seems to be happening more with CEC-feature screwed setups and digital cable boxes.

Anyway, if you find some people that can usefully and invaluably use these two features, let me know, I'd like to hear from them.

Good day to you,

Bob

 

[Lordoftherings]

With your Surround Sound System, you need a Blu-Ray Player.

Here's three Blu-Ray Players that already have raved reviews from all around.

#1. Oppo BDP-83 > http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/blu-ray-players/647-oppo-bdp-83-blu-ray-player.html

#2. Pioneer BDP-51FD > http://www.areadvd.de/hardware/2009/pioneer_bdp51fd_1.shtml

#3. Panasonic DMP-BD55 > http://www.areadvd.de/hardware/2008/Panasonic_DMP-BD55_01.shtml *

* I personally own the Panny BD55, excellent player.
It's been replaced by the DMP-BD80.

>> But I'll say the Oppo is #1 by a large margin, it is also the only one that is Universal.
And the Pioneer is #2, excellent value at it's recent discounted street price.

 

[3db]

Good morning my good friend from the East coast of Canada, 3db.
How's life these days over there?

Oh, I also believe that we will see more manufacturers join the Class D amps group, but it will never take over our legacy Class AB designs, not for quite a long time. And if it ever happens, we'll be long gone.

Mornin

Life is good. How are things with you?

I hope there will bee some hold outs that won't switch over to class D

 

[Lordoftherings]

Mornin,

Ah pretty good. I was just about going for a rest.

Like I previously said, I'm not too worry about Class D amps,
as long that my Class AB last.

But the economy will play a big part on this, as it already is.
So, that's why people have to hold on tight to their AB or straight A.

 

[davidtwotrees]

Ok, Ok, I give in.

Maybe I should have start a thread about prehistoric receivers!

You guys can have all your wishes with a separate amp (preferably mono or for the avant-garde, stereo), then, of course, a turntable, and a separate pre-amp.
And who needs Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA anyway? .......
LOTR

Ok, ok, you got me. My cheesey little HK AVR300 crapped out. I bought a used Denon 2805 and it showed up damaged. I took this as a sign to buy a receiver. I did buy a Yam 663 last year and I thought it was rather cheap, with all plastic knobs and the volume control felt really shabby to me. I almost bought a Marantz but they have terrible reviews in the video department. So I bought an Onkyo TXSR706. (that's all I could afford at this time) I am waiting for the FedEx guy this very morning to bring it. Are ya happy now, LOTR?!
I will see how it sounds straight up without my outboard Parasound amp. I have some good offers to buy my HCA 2003 and I could use the $500, but I am waiting to see how the receiver sounds. I will run 5.2 with the back channels running my bedroom speakers.

 

[Lordoftherings]

Right on

Of course I'm happy, you have too, even when you're not.

Well, that's cool man, an Onkyo 706 as a pre/pro, for sure nothings' wrong with that. I think that you'll be quite pleased. You'd better stay in touch with us to share your impressions.
The 706 should be fine and have enough power as long that your room is not as big as a mansion.
It has been tested on the test bench, and it still delivers a quite resonable 75 true watts per channel with five channels driven into 8-ohm loads with 0.3% THD. That ain't too shabby at all. Enough power for a fairly sized room at levels loud enough that your ears will give up still before you reach the max volume level.
Just to give you an example, the Sony STR-DA5400ES ($2,000) will deliver 64 watts into five channels also, with the same figures! So, the 706 beats that Sony!
Or the Pioneer Elite VSX-94TXH delivers 84 watts with all the same figures, and again with five channels driven; that's only 9 watts more than the 706.
And that 94TXH retails for $1,600. Ain't that bad at all from your 706, right.
Here's another one, the Yamaha RX-V863 ($1,000) delivers 45 watts per channel with five channels driven. Your 706 has 30 watts more per channel.

So, I'll say that you did pretty good from that aspect of performance, which is one of the major asset.

Cheers & have a lovely day,

Bob

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

From Home Theater Magazine:

Arcam AVR600 $5,000 receiver:
FR: 20 Hz - 20 kHz +/- 0.01dB
THD: 0.034%
Crosstalk: -74dB
SNR: -95dB

Rotel RSX-1560 $2,600 receiver:
FR: 20 Hz - 20 kHz +/- 0.66dB
THD: 0.017%
Crosstalk: -78dB
SNR: -95dB

Onkyo TX-SR607 $600 receiver:
FR: 20 Hz - 20 kHz +/- 0.06dB
THD: 0.011%
Crosstalk: -96dB
SNR: -106dB

Base on the Onkyo SR607 measurements, I think the Onkyo SR706 will do wonderful!

 

[Lordoftherings]

Ty

^ +1 Excellent AcuDEfTechGuy.

Again, some other great performance factors of importance in favor of the Onkyo TX-SR706. Thank you mate.

Bob

 

[Lordoftherings]

This just in.

Another very favorable review of the Oppo BDP-83 Universal Blu-ray Disc Player.
This time from Ultimate AV web site.

* http://www.ultimateavmag.com/hddiscplayers/oppo_bdp-83_universal_disc_player/

-> It goes without saying that it's already on top of my shopping list.

 

[Lordoftherings]

FAQ: Setting Up a PS3 to an Onkyo Amp.

Here's some valuable info on how to setup your PS3 with an Onkyo Amp (or Receiver), or any other Amp (or Receiver) for that matter.

* http://www.avforums.com/forums/onkyo-owners-forum/696423-faq-setting-up-ps3-onkyo-amp.html

-> I am an active member of this above Forum.

 

[Lordoftherings]

The full Enchilada for only $499.99

About this, for people on a restricted budget, the full Kabang, Panasonic SC-BT200.

* http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/Panasonic_SC-BT200_Blu-ray_Theater.shtml


*** By the way, did you knew that as of now, DVDs are outselling Blu-rays by 92%, as compared to Blu-rays only 8% (movies, software). Quite pathetic, isn't it?

 

[davidtwotrees]

Well, I spent all day yesterday tearing apart my rig. The pile of wires I had sitting there was pretty impressive. I always liked playing with all my wires, but after going 100% hdmi I can honestly say I won't miss them! Anyone in the market for some component video cables??!!
The rig is back together, with the Onkyo all hooked up! I can honestly say I can't tell the difference in my music from cd, server, and pandora streamed, running this without the Parasound HCA 2003 amp on the preouts.
I didn't have time to run Audyssey, but everything is working as advertised.........except! zone 2. I haven't fiddled with it today, but I was getting no sound out of my zone 2 bedroom speakers. They are hooked up to the right jacks. Zone 2 is activated. Biamp is not selected. Anythoughts on that one?

 

[Lordoftherings]

Good morning David,

You have to remember that only analog sources can be output in Zone 2.
Which means that in addition to HDMI connections, you still have to connect the 2-channel stereo analog interconnects.

So, back to the back of your receiver and other components to readd those analog interconnects.

 

[davidtwotrees]

D'Oh!Thanks, LOTR! I'm just updating my ol' Harmony 659 and will address this shortly! Of course now I've just noticed that the zone 2 speaks I bought used last month have foam rot that I couldn't see when I bought them! Mission 707's- they sound very nice for $50. I've always wanted to try a speaker foam replacement. Thanks for the advise!