* Everything Important To Know About A/v Surround Receivers, But Were Afraid To Ask.*

davidtwotrees

davidtwotrees

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I'm in zone 2 bliss! I'm streaming Pandora Radio from my Samsung BDP2550 into my bedroom for the first time. I wonder if I can run composite video in here for a small monitor to watch whats playing, or even stream movies in my zone 2 bedroom?
My harmony is spot on, and I am tickled pink with my new Onkyo. The volume control knob is rock solid and heavy metal! Very audiophile-like. My Yammy 663 had a cheesy, loose, plastic volume control that really turned me off on the unit. I can now safely sell my beasty Parasound 200x3 amp to pay for the receiver. Cool. Thanks again, LOTR.
 
Lordoftherings

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Hi David,

Even if your 706 doesn't have video output for the Zone 2, I bet you can use the regular Composite video output and run a cable from it to your Zone 2.
But you might need to connect some analog Composite video sources to your receiver, not sure though, because you might be able to downconvert HDMI video to Composite, dunno for sure. Just check in your manual.

* Glad to hear that you're satisfied with the sound of your new setup. :)

Bob
 
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News *Emotiva* & Advice needed.

Just for people that are not current with the latest news on Emotiva products. :)

* http://www.emotiva.com/news.shtm


* Also, I'm thinking of getting this: http://www.emotiva.com/xpa2.shtm

Should I, or shouldn't I? And why, or why not?

Cheers & Thanks,

Bob

--> Note: I also want to Thanks everyone here for your continued support. :)
__ And don't forget to tune in early next week for the latest stuff.
 
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allEars

Junior Audioholic
I do a question that I was afraid to ask until I found this thread .


I just connected an external amp to my receiver's PREOUT and the sound improved dramatically (allot more detail). When the audio is sent to an external amp, does the receiver's internal processing (with the exception of the receivers features like CODECs) get bypassed?

if so, why are processors so expensive, just because of features like DAC and so on?
 
Lordoftherings

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Thank you very much for your questions.

I do a question that I was afraid to ask until I found this thread .


I just connected an external amp to my receiver's PREOUT and the sound improved dramatically (allot more detail). When the audio is sent to an external amp, does the receiver's internal processing (with the exception of the receivers features like CODECs) get bypassed?

if so, why are processors so expensive, just because of features like DAC and so on?
Hi allEars,

First, it's about time someone finally found this thread about being afraid of asking questions. ;)

The audio is not sent to your external amp; the audio signal that is sent by the source (Blu-ray player, DVD player, CD player, etc.) is going though your receiver. The external amp is now the new amplification (from the channel preout that you choose of your receiver), by amplifying that audio source signal now in your receiver, with the receiver own amps taking care of the other channels remaining, and going to your speakers. But you knew that, I'm sure.

The receiver's internal processing is certainly not bypassed. It is still well active, very much still alive and well in the audio signal path.
So, NO, nothing is bypassed, even the audio codecs.
Adding external amplification to a receiver does just that, it amplifies the audio signals with all the internal processing of the receiver, and all the audio codecs. You have the choice to use as much processing you like, or as less possible for minimal contamination of the audio signal.

* [Some people that are purists, only use analog front end in their system with straight audio signal path. Example: a high end turntable with a high end phono pre/amp and a super low distortion amplifier.] *

The only thing that is bypassed is the receiver's own channel amps that you decide to reamplify with your external amplifier. But they are not totally disabled, they remain iddling (like kind of "in standby").

So, for your last question, it does not fully apply in this case.
And YES, usually Pre/Pro are quite expensive, because they use the best parts (Dacs, DSPs, more DSPs, more Dacs, sometimes in Balanced Dual Differential mode, they also used XLR Balanced connections, sometimes they are Truly Balanced from inputs to outputs, top grade quality constuction and circuitry with the best components available at the time of build, etc., etc., etc.).

BUT, in the last few years, we saw a new trend; more affordable Pre/Pros with excellent sound quality still available. Just for a quick example: the Onkyo Pro PR-SC885P that appeared last year (or was it in 2007), anyway, was listed at $1,899, but was selling for only $539 last april! This is an amazing value. Now the price for that same unit is $749.99, still an amazing price.
And it's replacement, the Onkyo Pro PR-SC886P, which is a very nice improvement over it's older brother, is selling right now at $999.99, but can be found for only $899.99.
I mean, these prices are just amazing now. A good Pre/Pro used to cost in excess of $10,000 (and you can still find some that cost over $30,000).

I hope that this helps you to understand better what you were asking.
And never be afraid of asking any type of questions.
And if you have more questions, please, please, please, do ask them right here. I'm starving to answer any type of questions, any type at all, and I mean it. :)
Plus, if I don't know the answer(s), someone else will, right here.

I am your humble servitor, and always at your disposition, allEars. :)

Hope to see you back very soon,

Bob
 
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allEars

Junior Audioholic
Bob, thank you so much for taking your time to answer my question.
I believe I do have a better understanding of how the signal travels and gets processed. Later I will be looking into getting my Marantz 7500 replaced with a new Processor that is able to handle the latest codecs. The two units you mentioned will be on the list, as I want a good processor that will not break the bank.


One thing I cannot understand is why some songs sound much better now, with more detail than before when I was using the Marantz internal amp? One example that is night and day in Beyonce song halo. With the internal amp the start of the song sounded like a mix of bass and clapping. Now it's clearly that it's just clapping...I have a few other examples
 
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gqmagic

Junior Audioholic
Just for people that are not current with the latest news on Emotiva products. :)

* http://www.emotiva.com/news.shtm


* Also, I'm thinking of getting this: http://www.emotiva.com/xpa2.shtm

Should I, or shouldn't I? And why, or why not?

Cheers & Thanks,

Bob

--> Note: I also want to Thanks everyone here for your continued support. :)
__ And don't forget to tune in early next week for the latest stuff.
I have been thinking about getting a Marantz 8*** to replace my 7300 OSE because I can hear a difference compared to my older Marantz SR8000.

I thought about a 8001 or 8002, but recently have been thinking of adding an amp to my 7300 ose.

I have not shopped amps and don't know much except the reviews here and elsewhere.
Is a Emotiva comparable to Rotel?
Is a 2, 3, or 5 channel better?

I think my main purpose is for 2 channel music enhancement, not louder explosions, bullets, tire squealing of surround sound.

So I guess, Add an Amp, or get a 8*** ?

If I add an amp is 125 watts enough like a Rotel or is 200 like an Emotiva better?
 
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sedonalar

Audioholic Intern
Onkyo TX-NR906 update

It's been way too long, but yesterday 7-12-09, I got my LCD mounted on my wall above my new console. It looks awesome, but even better it now allows me to place my Mirage Om-C2 center channel of a beast to be used. I used the Audyssey MultiEQ XT Speaker setup. Now, it still sounds dull. My bass sounds great, two bass units, Mirage OMD-10 Prestige, and Mirage S12. Bass is covered.

But my OM-C2 center channel sounds hollow? I was using a very small Mirage direct radiating unit, (AVS) form 8 years ago, an it did a decent job. I feel like I am missing a tone of sound (db's) from my fronts and center. I am almost ready to sell of these speakers and get a direct radiating speaker. Is 145 wpc rating not enough for these freaking speakers?

The Multi EQ mic set up measured the speakers pretty good, but now the center channel sounds like it has lost some db's?

The sp levels from the Multi Eq is now: Left front: -1.5 db, ctr: -4.0 db, rt front: -2.0 bb, Surr R: -1.0 db, Surr L: -3.0 db.

The front and center was set to "Full Band". and the Surround (5.1 system) is set to 150hz. I bass is set to 80 hz. I'm not 100% siure this is all correct?

If this ends up being a speaker issue I may be on the hunt for new speakers, possibly Axiom, M60's or M80's. I want db's full loud sound, horn tweaters, Klipsch anyone? Any help on these settings would be helpful? I really like this Onkyo receiver, it's the "bomb". Even if I had to add an amp, I would rather this receiver as a head unit, with an amp. I feel it's GUI and remote far surpass the Pioneer and Denon units. But, I feel it is the Rodney Dangerfield (no respect) of receivers!!! Even people at so called pro-home theater shops I have recently visted has dissed this receiver.

I get a bad feeling that I am heading back to direct radiating sound.

Any input is appreciated in advance.

Thanks, Larry :)
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
I miss you guys.

Bob, thank you so much for taking your time to answer my question.
I believe I do have a better understanding of how the signal travels and gets processed. Later I will be looking into getting my Marantz 7500 replaced with a new Processor that is able to handle the latest codecs. The two units you mentioned will be on the list, as I want a good processor that will not break the bank.


One thing I cannot understand is why some songs sound much better now, with more detail than before when I was using the Marantz internal amp? One example that is night and day in Beyonce song halo. With the internal amp the start of the song sounded like a mix of bass and clapping. Now it's clearly that it's just clapping...I have a few other examples
Hi allEars,

Adding an external amp always does that (well, almost most of the time).
It gives a better clarity and delineation between instruments, better separation (crosstalk) too. It is separated from the noise contamination of the receiver with all it's circuits, video processing, tuner, Ethernet, DSPs and all that stuff.
Separates are prefered for that reason and others too.
Building separate components, the manufacturer can concentrate on the few simple aspect of their performance.
It's the same with cars and trucks; I use to run four vehicules for a very long time; my MGB convertible for cross country trips across the border (Wyoming, Montana, Colorado, California...), and beautiful British Columbia, my 4-wheel drive convertible short box truck for my shack, up the mountains during winter, my station-wagon for long trips across Canada, and my heavy duty long box 4x4 with heavy rear springs fo a huge camper or towing my boat, while I was working all these years in the bush.

Nice talking to you again, :)

Bob

I have been thinking about getting a Marantz 8*** to replace my 7300 OSE because I can hear a difference compared to my older Marantz SR8000.

I thought about a 8001 or 8002, but recently have been thinking of adding an amp to my 7300 ose.

I have not shopped amps and don't know much except the reviews here and elsewhere.
Is a Emotiva comparable to Rotel?
Is a 2, 3, or 5 channel better?

I think my main purpose is for 2 channel music enhancement, not louder explosions, bullets, tire squealing of surround sound.

So I guess, Add an Amp, or get a 8*** ?

If I add an amp is 125 watts enough like a Rotel or is 200 like an Emotiva better?
Hi gqmagic,

I think that a Marantz SR8002 would be all you need. What are the speakers you intend using with? And what is the size of your room?

Talk you soon,

Bob

It's been way too long, but yesterday 7-12-09, I got my LCD mounted on my wall above my new console. It looks awesome, but even better it now allows me to place my Mirage Om-C2 center channel of a beast to be used. I used the Audyssey MultiEQ XT Speaker setup. Now, it still sounds dull. My bass sounds great, two bass units, Mirage OMD-10 Prestige, and Mirage S12. Bass is covered.

But my OM-C2 center channel sounds hollow? I was using a very small Mirage direct radiating unit, (AVS) form 8 years ago, an it did a decent job. I feel like I am missing a tone of sound (db's) from my fronts and center. I am almost ready to sell of these speakers and get a direct radiating speaker. Is 145 wpc rating not enough for these freaking speakers?

The Multi EQ mic set up measured the speakers pretty good, but now the center channel sounds like it has lost some db's?

The sp levels from the Multi Eq is now: Left front: -1.5 db, ctr: -4.0 db, rt front: -2.0 bb, Surr R: -1.0 db, Surr L: -3.0 db.

The front and center was set to "Full Band". and the Surround (5.1 system) is set to 150hz. I bass is set to 80 hz. I'm not 100% siure this is all correct?

If this ends up being a speaker issue I may be on the hunt for new speakers, possibly Axiom, M60's or M80's. I want db's full loud sound, horn tweaters, Klipsch anyone? Any help on these settings would be helpful? I really like this Onkyo receiver, it's the "bomb". Even if I had to add an amp, I would rather this receiver as a head unit, with an amp. I feel it's GUI and remote far surpass the Pioneer and Denon units. But, I feel it is the Rodney Dangerfield (no respect) of receivers!!! Even people at so called pro-home theater shops I have recently visted has dissed this receiver.

I get a bad feeling that I am heading back to direct radiating sound.

Any input is appreciated in advance.

Thanks, Larry :)
Hi Larry,

We already talk to each other by PM.

Again Larry, I think time has come to seriously think about direct radiating speakers, like I already told you in my last PM.
How's your budget? :) Paradigm Signature series, perhaps? ;)
If not, look at their Reference series, much more affordable and still excellent performers. Just ask the zillion of owners right here at Audioholics. :)
Axiom speakers are very nice too, but I thing the Paradigms is a very good match for your 906 (I know, that's what I'm using with my 876). ;)

Take care & I'll talk you very soon,

Bob
 
Lordoftherings

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See my prior post, #170 for the latest answers.

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@ http://www.hometheatermag.com/gearworks/gear_works_tune_in_turn_down_turn_on/

____________________________________

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---> Some useful links for the benefit of all. :)

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Lordoftherings

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Need a two-channel stereo CD or SACD player for your audio setup?

Check this very nice CD player from Emotiva to match your Emotiva power amps, :)
and mated with your A/V receiver or preamp/processor.
I'm very tempted to try one. It's the ERC-1 Reference Compact Disc Player.
But the price is a bit stiff at $399 list. :( :cool:

* http://emotiva.com/erc1.shtm

Or for an SACD player, check this Marantz SA-7S1 SACD Player (49 pounds :eek:).
List price is only $6,999 USA, that sounds reasonable to me, about you? :rolleyes:

* http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/sacd-players/657-marantz-sa-7si-sacd-player.html

---> Pick your poison. ;)
 
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KRELL - TOSHIBA - PARADIGM (Recall, News & Review)

1. Krell to Recall Four Amp Products
@ http://hometheaterreview.com/krell-to-recall-four-amp-products/

2. Toshiba to Make Blu-ray Players
@ http://www.ultimateavmag.com/news/toshiba_to_make_blu-ray_players/

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*** Toshiba coming soon with Blu-ray players!!! :eek:
We're just about to hit another video format. ;)
Oh well, might is well later than never, I guess. Someone gotta chase that piggy bank. :)
 
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