Electric Vehicles?

[lovinthehd]

Still loving my little e-moto especially as to upgrades/options. But don't need to commute or go to work or anything like that

 

[j_garcia]

I only had it for a few days, but it made our Civic seem like a racecar.

I'll up you one. I had to take my brand new EV in because one of the LED tail lights was out after just a few days (turns out it just came unplugged). I had to rent a car which was a Nissan Versa. WOW, what a POS. I haven't driven something that cheaply built in a long time.

 

[cpp]

More EV news ; Unbelievable

A new Electrify America pilot will limit EVs to 85% state of charge

Electrify America has kicked off a pilot at 10 of its charging stations, limiting EVs to 85% state of charge to reduce congestion.

electrek.co

 

[j_garcia]

More EV news ; Unbelievable

A new Electrify America pilot will limit EVs to 85% state of charge

Electrify America has kicked off a pilot at 10 of its charging stations, limiting EVs to 85% state of charge to reduce congestion.

electrek.co

AFAIK, most people only charge to 80% anyway.

 

[cpp]

AFAIK, most people only charge to 80% anyway.

We charged to 90% for daily use and even per Telsa 100% for long travels when using the Tesla Supercharger for our model S when we had it. .. But here you have No choice at the 10 selected Electrify America Southern Ca stations. .

 

[j_garcia]

We charged to 90% for daily use and even per Telsa 100% for long travels when using the Tesla Supercharger for our model S when we had it. .. But here you have No choice at the 10 selected Electrify America Southern Ca stations. .

The article seems to say that is because these are high use locations, likely similar to my area, because all the people who got the free charging from EA are always there. I can go almost any hour of the day and people are there, but I rarely have to wait more than 10 min. There are two large banks of them within a few miles by me. That 80-100% is the slowest portion of the charge, so it will shorten the durations.

Our area has different "incentives" to unplug - once you have reached your charge level, they charge $3-$4 an hour for the next hour if you leave it plugged in.

 

[cpp]

The article seems to say that is because these are high use locations, likely similar to my area, because all the people who got the free charging from EA are always there. I can go almost any hour of the day and people are there, but I rarely have to wait more than 10 min. There are two large banks of them within a few miles by me. That 80-100% is the slowest portion of the charge, so it will shorten the duration's.

Our area has different "incentives" to unplug - once you have reached your charge level, they charge $3-$4 an hour for the next hour if you leave it plugged in.

I think unless these EV charging structures can be built out to handle the " possible increase" of full blown EV cars, trucks like the GOVT wants ( i think hybrid will win out) this high usage charge limitation intuitive could spread all over the states. This only forces the consumer who are own trips to stop yet again and charge up to get home and I think that alone will drive even further trade-ins of EV for either hybrid or ICE cars.. Not to mention if you can find a charge station that has all working chargers and there isn't a line of cars or trucks waiting to charge in front of you. The only Electrify America near us is at a Walmart 15 miles away. But there are a quite few Charge Point and Telsa charge stations around. I guess time will tell.

 

[Mikado463]

and yet another view ............

The Nationwide 500,000 EV Charger Charade › American Greatness

The word charade has several meanings, and including an act or event that is clearly false (Cambridge Dictionary), something done just for show (Vocabulary.com), or a situation in which people pretend…

amgreatness.com

 

[j_garcia]

I think unless these EV charging structures can be built out to handle the " possible increase" of full blown EV cars, trucks like the GOVT wants ( i think hybrid will win out) this high usage charge limitation intuitive could spread all over the states. This only forces the consumer who are own trips to stop yet again and charge up to get home and I think that alone will drive even further trade-ins of EV for either hybrid or ICE cars.. Not to mention if you can find a charge station that has all working chargers and there isn't a line of cars or trucks waiting to charge in front of you. The only Electrify America near us is at a Walmart 15 miles away. But there are a quite few Charge Point and Telsa charge stations around. I guess time will tell.

Chargepoint isn't doing well right now, but they are releasing brand new fast chargers. They are supposed to start retrofitting many of the existing ones to add NACS also. They are the most plentiful chargers around here, followed by Tesla. My work has at least 50 Chargepoint spots in the parking garage and we get a discounted rate since we're on this campus, but this business block is only a few years old and a lot of others nearby do not. One of our older, larger campuses has none. Chargepoint's main office is about 1 mi from me.

There are no Electrify America chargers within a decent range around my work. The one I use is on the way home, and is about 3 mi away in the business complex where Faraday Future is, but there is no food or retail around there.

 

[NINaudio]

I'll up you one. I had to take my brand new EV in because one of the LED tail lights was out after just a few days (turns out it just came unplugged). I had to rent a car which was a Nissan Versa. WOW, what a POS. I haven't driven something that cheaply built in a long time.

Can't expect much from a Nissan that starts at $17k.

It still gets to 60 faster than the Corolla did. LOL

 

[j_garcia]

Can't ecpect much from a Nissan that starts at $17k.

It still gets to 60 faster than the Corolla did. LOL

With 114 lb-ft of tq, it was not very exciting, but fortunately, I only had it for like 6 hrs. 114 vs. 440 lb-ft is most definitely going to leave you feeling like a slug on the freeway.

I can get out and run faster than this!

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I think the Versa is a subcompact vs. Corolla being a compact.

 

[cpp]

Interesting article on people switching back to gas. https://insideevs.com/news/726008/mckinsey-study-half-ev-buyers/

One comment , which part of it was our reason "The reasons people are unsatisfied are not related to the product," he said. "They’re switching back because of charging and resale values. "

ours was charging or lack of charging stations when we had ours, and the time required to charge while on the road. I just think it all comes down to your vehicle needs, like any car or truck be it gas, EV or hybrid and the charging infrastructure around your town.

 

[j_garcia]

I think resale values are a big one, but looking at the used market around here, that does not impact every car. I happened to read an article last week and saw that the biggest loser is the Tesla Model S. Originally $100k plus, their lowest price looks to be around $17k. The model S was I believe also on Consumer Reports not recommended as a used EV, which might be the reason for that price drop.

I would not choose an EV as my ONLY car because of charging requirements, but because of my short commute and available chargers, it works. For long trips, I won't be taking the EV unless I KNOW there are available chargers.

Her car is a hybrid, so it is the obvious choice for long trips. Now that it is ~13 yrs old though, it is starting to have some age related issues, so we are considering selling it and buying a new hybrid.

My other car is a low mileage STI, which I am not sure what the plan is. I love driving it, but when gas is high, it costs a lot and it is also starting to have some age related issues. It has been incapacitated basically, because I can't get a power steering pump.

 

[cpp]

I think resale values are a big one, but looking at the used market around here, that does not impact every car. I happened to read an article last week and saw that the biggest loser is the Tesla Model S. Originally $100k plus, their lowest price looks to be around $17k. The model S was I believe also on Consumer Reports not recommended as a used EV, which might be the reason for that price drop.

I would not choose an EV as my ONLY car because of charging requirements, but because of my short commute and available chargers, it works. For long trips, I won't be taking the EV unless I KNOW there are available chargers.

Her car is a hybrid, so it is the obvious choice for long trips. Now that it is ~13 yrs old though, it is starting to have some age related issues, so we are considering selling it and buying a new hybrid.

My other car is a low mileage STI, which I am not sure what the plan is. I love driving it, but when gas is high, it costs a lot and it is also starting to have some age related issues. It has been incapacitated basically, because I can't get a power steering pump.

One thing about cars or trucks, when you look at NEW, and then you look at not having a car payment, putting gas in a car or truck and doing a few repairs doesn't look to bad. Of course when the paid off car or truck starts to nickel and dime you to death, that's a whole nother mater.

 

[j_garcia]

One thing about cars or trucks, when you look at NEW, and then you look at not having a car payment, putting gas in a car or truck and doing a few repairs doesn't look to bad. Of course when the paid off car or truck starts to nickel and dime you to death, that's a whole nother mater.

For sure and the STI has been paid off for a few years. It isn't a nickel or dime anymore lol. The pump was $800. I just rebuilt the suspension and basically haven't been able to drive it. It drives, but the pump squeals and goes floppy once in a while. Not safe to drive.

Her Lexus is also paid off and has been mostly problem free until recently.

 

[j_garcia]

Fisker looking to sell off remaining inventory. Not sure what the buyer will do with them? Robotaxis? Sell them off?

https://insideevs.com/news/725340/fisker-inventory-sale-american-lease/

 

[Trebdp83]

I think resale values are a big one, but looking at the used market around here, that does not impact every car. I happened to read an article last week and saw that the biggest loser is the Tesla Model S. Originally $100k plus, their lowest price looks to be around $17k. The model S was I believe also on Consumer Reports not recommended as a used EV, which might be the reason for that price drop.

I would not choose an EV as my ONLY car because of charging requirements, but because of my short commute and available chargers, it works. For long trips, I won't be taking the EV unless I KNOW there are available chargers.

Her car is a hybrid, so it is the obvious choice for long trips. Now that it is ~13 yrs old though, it is starting to have some age related issues, so we are considering selling it and buying a new hybrid.

My other car is a low mileage STI, which I am not sure what the plan is. I love driving it, but when gas is high, it costs a lot and it is also starting to have some age related issues. It has been incapacitated basically, because I can't get a power steering pump.

I was in a similar situation recently. One car is incapacitated and another was having age related issues when the engine light came on and I decided not to invest more money in it. I just can’t go EV yet and went with a proven and very reliable hybrid vehicle. It needed to be if I am going to have a car payment after a few years without one.

The small ICE and NiMH battery powered electric motors do not make for a race winning combination. I don’t think the CVT will ever grow on me. But, I’ve doubled the mpg around town and am having fun with all of the tech. If I worry that I forgot to lock the doors, I can check the car from its app on my iPhone and lock it remotely if necessary. I’ve even started making Siri do it as it doesn’t do much else. Lazy thing.

 

[Swerd]

Yesterday I took my Volvo C40 EV into a dealer for it's first scheduled maintenance. The warranty says do this after every 20,000 miles or 2 years. My car is 2 years old but only has ~6,500 miles on it. The car's computer reminded us to do the maintenance every time we started it. I wanted to ignore it, but wife is more easily persuaded by such reminders. She feared voiding the warranty and wouldn't stop pestering me.

Any way, there was the usual multi-point inspection on tires, brake wear, brake fluid, steering fluid, etc., but no work was needed. They only thing replaced was the HVAC air filter. Of course there was no oil change or anything else related to an internal combustion engine.

There was no cost at all for this work . That included a loaner car for the day, a plug-in hybrid XC90, the largest in their SUV line. It felt like a land yacht compared to our smaller C40, but it drove nicely overall. We we drove it only twice for 6 miles from the dealer to home and back.

So far owning & using this EV has cost very little compared to an ICE car. I anticipate large savings for maintenance as the years go by.

My largest cost since getting this car was the 240V 50A power line for a home charger in my garage. And most of that came from the once only need for a new & larger circuit breaker box.

Insurance was expensive, but no more than for any new car.

Compare that to no gasoline or oil at all! The cost of electricity for recharging was minor in comparison. I anticipate the cost of electricity will increase in the future, but not as much as gasoline.

 

[Mikado463]

Yesterday I took my Volvo C40 EV into a dealer for it's first scheduled maintenance. The warranty says do this after every 20,000 miles or 2 years. My car is 2 years old but only has ~6,500 miles on it. The car's computer reminded us to do the maintenance every time we started it. I wanted to ignore it, but wife is more easily persuaded by such reminders. She feared voiding the warranty and wouldn't stop pestering me.

Any way, there was the usual multi-point inspection on tires, brake wear, brake fluid, steering fluid, etc., but no work was needed. They only thing replaced was the HVAC air filter. Of course there was no oil change or anything else related to an internal combustion engine.

There was no cost at all for this work . That included a loaner car for the day, a plug-in hybrid XC90, the largest in their SUV line. It felt like a land yacht compared to our smaller C40, but it drove nicely overall. We we drove it only twice for 6 miles from the dealer to home and back.

So far owning & using this EV has cost very little compared to an ICE car. I anticipate large savings for maintenance as the years go by.

My largest cost since getting this car was the 240V 50A power line for a home charger in my garage. And most of that came from the once only need for a new & larger circuit breaker box.

Insurance was expensive, but no more than for any new car.

Compare that to no gasoline or oil at all! The cost of electricity for recharging was minor in comparison. I anticipate the cost of electricity will increase in the future, but not as much as gasoline.

clearly, so little usage after 2 years makes an EV a wise choice for you !

 

[Cos]

Yesterday I took my Volvo C40 EV into a dealer for it's first scheduled maintenance. The warranty says do this after every 20,000 miles or 2 years. My car is 2 years old but only has ~6,500 miles on it. The car's computer reminded us to do the maintenance every time we started it. I wanted to ignore it, but wife is more easily persuaded by such reminders. She feared voiding the warranty and wouldn't stop pestering me.

Any way, there was the usual multi-point inspection on tires, brake wear, brake fluid, steering fluid, etc., but no work was needed. They only thing replaced was the HVAC air filter. Of course there was no oil change or anything else related to an internal combustion engine.

There was no cost at all for this work . That included a loaner car for the day, a plug-in hybrid XC90, the largest in their SUV line. It felt like a land yacht compared to our smaller C40, but it drove nicely overall. We we drove it only twice for 6 miles from the dealer to home and back.

So far owning & using this EV has cost very little compared to an ICE car. I anticipate large savings for maintenance as the years go by.

My largest cost since getting this car was the 240V 50A power line for a home charger in my garage. And most of that came from the once only need for a new & larger circuit breaker box.

Insurance was expensive, but no more than for any new car.

Compare that to no gasoline or oil at all! The cost of electricity for recharging was minor in comparison. I anticipate the cost of electricity will increase in the future, but not as much as gasoline.

I would check with your electric company, some offer discounted rates for charging off "Peek hours". My friend in California charges his car only at night because the cost is cheaper.

My only objection to electric at this point is the depreciation. In my case I would choose to lease because I am not eligible for the government discount due to income. There is a loophole with leasing because they can still give you the $7,500 because you don't own the car.