Dream Speakers Under $6,000 Retail

[DenPureSound]

As long as you are happy with the sound, we are happy.

I am like you never happy, that is the fun of this Hobby... spend more $$, and never get there.

What is after your PHIL 3's? What is next years Upgrade -- maybe a Klipsch RF-7.

 

[GranteedEV]

What is after your PHIL 3's?

I vote that ADTG buys a new freaking room.

 

[GranteedEV]

Geez, I feel like I am in Church today w/ those. )

I think wayne Parham probably makes some of the better soundinghorn speakers in the world today... but the design looks 1935

See also: TLS Guy's speakers

 

[DenPureSound]

Well here is the Stereophile measurements of the Klipsch Palladium:

Klipsch Palladium P-39F loudspeaker Measurements | Stereophile.com

The on-axis looks like +/- 3dB from 200Hz-9kH. Spectral decay looks good.

JA concluded:

" Overall, this is impressive measured performance, suggesting that Klipsch has some excellent speaker engineers on staff."

Perhaps the RF7 measures like that.

See that 8kHz. to 20kHz. BOOST -- that I like, but look at the 300-1kHz. CUT, that is not good for the Vocals in the mid-range at all. They need to get that Cut upto or better than reference level, and not have that Cut down in dB in that range -- again as many state that is why the Klipsch lack in the mid vocal range, and the measurement shows it.

That is where DM comes in -- Xover Design -- the heart of the Sound.

 

[DenPureSound]

I vote that ADTG buys a new freaking room.

ADTG is Running OUT of Rooms... soon it will look like my Energy Front Soundstage Post but with more $$ speakers...

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I am like you never happy, that is the fun of this Hobby... spend more $$, and never get there.

What is after your PHIL 3's? What is next years Upgrade -- maybe a Klipsch RF-7.

I vote that ADTG buys a new freaking room.

Seems like deja vu.

After Phil3? I'll be calling my friend InTheIndustry regarding the last pr of 201/2s.

But after that, it will have to be a new house.

Then After that maybe Dennis Murphy will sell me his Soundscape 10 at a steep discount.

What other speaker out there that is really truly worth buying?

 

[GranteedEV]

What other speaker out there that is really truly worth buying?

You still need one ugly compression drivers speaker.... just to hear full scale dynamics in a large room.

Maybe AJ's

Make him do a a bamboo baffle?

 

[GranteedEV]

Well here is the Stereophile measurements of the Klipsch Palladium:

Klipsch Palladium P-39F loudspeaker Measurements | Stereophile.com

The on-axis looks like +/- 3dB from 200Hz-9kH. Spectral decay looks good.

JA concluded:

" Overall, this is impressive measured performance, suggesting that Klipsch has some excellent speaker engineers on staff."

Perhaps the RF7 measures like that.

THe crossover seems messy (impedance/phase @ 80hz, step response, frequency response, polar response). I bet they'd be a good candidate for an active / DEQX refit. And some cabinet mods. ...in a $20,000 speaker.

 

[Rippyman]

Let's ask Rippyman -- how do the RF-7II's measure?

or Maybe how do they SOUND, and forget the Measurements like the great Measurements on the Aperion VGT's.

Rippyman -- I bet you really wanted the Focals or Paradigms over the Klipsch RF-7II's, but the cost of the Klipsch was considerably less, right?

I'm not the type to look at measurements, if it sounds good to my ear, thats all that matters to me.

The three brands were all roughly the same price, I have friends in the business so I wasn't paying retail prices.

I'm not joking when I say the other two brands paled in comparison to the Klipsch. But like I said, the other two might shine with more power.

I had the opportunity to play my Klipsch through a Parasound 2 channel AMP and wow, ear porn.

But I had to give it back, haha. Here is a photo I took with the Parasound amp running them.

 

[DenPureSound]

Tekton Pendragon

How about some Tekton Pendragons... any one read any reviews of them?

tekton-design2011

Owner Chief designer is Eric Alexander who once worked for Aperion back when they were Edge Audio.

Would sure love to read some reviews on them... dual 10's, and looks like 3, 1" tweets coming in at 6 cu. ft. -- Big box, Bold Statement in Sound is the Question?

54"H x 12"W x 16"D = ~ 6 cu. ft.

89 Pounds per Box -- Cost = $2499 / Pair

 

[Nuance AH]

What other speaker out there that is really truly worth buying?

Vandersteen Model 7's. They are simply stunning; the best I've heard.

THe crossover seems messy (impedance/phase @ 80hz, step response, frequency response, polar response). I bet they'd be a good candidate for an active / DEQX refit. And some cabinet mods. ...in a $20,000 speaker.

I was not impressed either. The fact that John Atkinson said he they were impressive measurements proves he's nothing but a marketing tool.

A guy about 30 minutes from me has Klpisch Palladium's. I've had the opportunity to hear them numerous times but something always comes up and I have to back out. DOH! I think he has a "movie night" every Friday at his house, though; it's an open invitation to all the locals. I'll have to actually attend one of these days, though I suspect they won't blow me away while listening to music.

 

[Warpdrv]

Vandersteen Model 7's. They are simply stunning; the best I've heard.



I was not impressed either. The fact that John Atkinson said he they were impressive measurements proves he's nothing but a marketing tool.

A guy about 30 minutes from me has Klpisch Palladium's. I've had the opportunity to hear them numerous times but something always comes up and I have to back out. DOH! I think he has a "movie night" every Friday at his house, though; it's an open invitation to all the locals. I'll have to actually attend one of these days, though I suspect they won't blow me away while listening to music.

Dr Payne.... Heard his Palladiums... His were the first pair in the states from what I recall.... they were nice.. although I couldn't judge them at the miniscule listening volume they were introduced to me at, his kids were preparing for bed... I will say they were some of the sexiest looking speakers I have ever laid my eyes on.... P39f's are far from a $6k speaker though...

I like to just at a more moderate level of output...

Now Nuance you can shut it, cause I know what your going to say..

Personally I prefer to get a grasp of what speakers sound like when they are stretching their legs a bit to see how composed they are - not all the time but often...

The Salks don't need such levels to get a serious appreciation for what they can do...

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Here is the Stereophile review of Vandersteen 7:

Vandersteen Model Seven loudspeaker Measurements | Stereophile.com

It looks kind of bad.

On-axis is like +/- 4d, which is bad.

Off-axis looks bad.

Spectral decay looks bad.

I think the Klipsch & B&W 800D look better than that.

 

[Nuance AH]

You're right, but go and listen to it and it will confirm what Richard Vandersteen has been telling John Atkinson all along: he's measuring the Vandersteen speakers incorrectly. It has something to do with the 1st order crossover and the time and phase implementation. Also, Stereophile's measurements aren't full anechoic, so... See the link below for a better explanation. Apparently (so they say), Atkinson never adopted Richard's request on measuring the Vandersteen's properly, so every time they post their measurements they are incorrect.

http://www.stereophile.com/content/vandersteen-2ce-signature-loudspeaker-manufacturers-comment

As for the off-axis, unfortunately that's a downfall of the first order crossover if I am not mistaken (please correct me Dennis if I am wrong). Vandersteen's are very finicky with setup and placement, but when done properly they'll blow your mind.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

You're right, but go and listen to it and it will confirm what Richard Vandersteen has been telling John Atkinson all along: he's measuring the Vandersteen speakers incorrectly. It has something to do with the 1st order crossover and the time and phase implementation. Also, Stereophile's measurements aren't full anechoic, so... See the link below for a better explanation. Apparently (so they say), Atkinson never adopted Richard's request on measuring the Vandersteen's properly, so every time they post their measurements they are incorrect.

Vandersteen 2Ce Signature loudspeaker Manufacturer's Comment | Stereophile.com

As for the off-axis, unfortunately that's a downfall of the first order crossover if I am not mistaken (please correct me Dennis if I am wrong). Vandersteen's are very finicky with setup and placement, but when done properly they'll blow your mind.

You may be correct.

However, that is just too much work and not worth it to me.

Most people are doing 4th order XO, and Vandersteen is still doing 1st order?

Just doesn't fit my requirements for dream speakers.

 

[Nuance AH]

You may be correct.

However, that is just too much work and not worth it to me.

Most people are doing 4th order XO, and Vandersteen is still doing 1st order?

Just doesn't fit my requirements for dream speakers.

I completely understand; it didn't fit my requirements either, which is why I sold my 2CE Sig's a while back. They were super picky with placement and setup, and had a low sensitivity. The Phil 3's will probably eat them for breakfast (not the 7's, but the 2's, and probably everything but the 5's and 7's).

So do you still have the Kef's and Revel's in house?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I completely understand; it didn't fit my requirements either, which is why I sold my 2CE Sig's a while back. They were super picky with placement and setup, and had a low sensitivity. The Phil 3's will probably eat them for breakfast (not the 7's, but the 2's, and probably everything but the 5's and 7's).

So do you still have the Kef's and Revel's in house?

Yup. Salon2 & 201/2 still in same room. Until I get the last pair of 201/2, I'm just using the Salon2 for front L/R & 201/2 for center & surrounds.

The Salon2 sound great for Netflix & football TV.

I was watching "Merlin" on Netflix w/ my daughter yesterday (only stereo sound), and my daughter says, "Daddy, those speakers sound really high-definition!"

I have the Salon2, 201/2, & Orion3 hooked up to the Denon AVP-A1HDCI, using 3 different amps. The Philharmonic 3 will just get the AVR-5308CI w/o any ext amp.

 

[DenPureSound]

Interesting to note that both the Klipsch RF-7II's and the PenDragons have Dual 10" drivers...

Just wondering how Eric at Tekton can get those 3 Tweeters to align for time and phase relationships.

I agree w/ Nuance, I also believe in 4th order LR Xovers... and still today one of the Most Popular Xovers still...

Linkwitz

 

[Nuance AH]

ADTG,

How do the Linkwitz Orion's stack up to the Kef's and Revel's? Also, how would you rank them in order of favorites? I'm just curious.

 

[DenPureSound]

I bet he says, Revel and KEF sound both about the same... and then below that is the Orions.

I am on the KEF Audition List for some KEF R900's, with Dual 8" drivers, and of course, the Phenomenal UniQ (MF/HF) driver.