Dream Speakers Under $6,000 Retail

[Rippyman]

You should probably pull those of the wall a bit more if you can. Definitely add some corner traps. GIK offers panels with pictures.

They are sitting out about one foot from wall, more you think? This pic kind of shows it.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I demoed Focal, Paradigm & Klipsch. I ended up with these

Please tell us more details. Which Paradigm & Focal and what was the selling point on why you picked the Klipsch.

I know DenPureSound & GoFaster like Klipsch , as well as many Klipsch fans.

Was the Klipsch clearer in sound? Better midrange clarity?

 

[lsiberian]

They are sitting out about one foot from wall, more you think? This pic kind of shows it.

the manual doesn't give a distance, but if you got the space I'd experiment with them at various distances. Normally speakers need to be a couple feet of the wall and with the volume those produce I'd think they might be better even further.

They are outstanding speakers for sure.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

They are sitting out about one foot from wall, more you think? This pic kind of shows it.

Only if they sound better after experimenting.

Sometimes they don't sound any differently when pulled further away from the wall.

 

[Rippyman]

Please tell us more details. Which Paradigm & Focal and what was the selling point on why you picked the Klipsch.

I know DenPureSound & GoFaster like Klipsch , as well as many Klipsch fans.

Was the Klipsch clearer in sound? Better midrange clarity?

I demoed the Focal Electra 1028 Be's, Paradigm Studio 100's and the Klipsch RF-7 II's.


I demoed all 3 using the same Amplifier, the Marantz SR7005. I love listening to a variety of music, both vocal and electronic.

Out of all three speakers I found the Klipsch to have the most crisp clean sound that I personally enjoy, they were full and rich with incredible clarity that the other two seemed to fall short in. Both the paradigm and focal seemed to struggle with mids and lows, they sounded more muted and soft. The Klipsch brought the music to a whole new level, you could hear every note, every chord, ever detail. I'm sure with more power the Paradigm or Focal would shine but I had a budget in mind.

If you closed your eyes, you would swear there was a sub in the room with the Klipsch, they produce deep rich base, powerful mids and highs, so clean and clear you don't even realize how loud they are until you leave the room.

I absolutely love them.

 

[GranteedEV]

Definitely some aspects of the RF-7 design I like... directivity control should be down to around 1.6khz and the dynamics should be pretty good.

tough to judge it without hearing it and without measurements though. Most of us think Klipsch = Some boom, a good sizzle, and then horn colorations I am also biased against titanium compression drivers

 

[lsiberian]

Definitely some aspects of the RF-7 design I like... directivity control should be down to around 1.6khz and the dynamics should be pretty good.

tough to judge it without hearing it and without measurements though. Most of us think Klipsch = Some boom, a good sizzle, and then horn colorations I am also biased against titanium compression drivers

I heard some go up against the Energy's my friend bought. Unfortuantely they were too close together to get a really good idea. That certainly sounded good. of course the place also had bookshelves on an actual shelf lol.

 

[DenPureSound]

You should probably pull those of the wall a bit more if you can. Definitely add some corner traps. GIK offers panels with pictures.

totally agree w/ Isiberian... pull them out about 16-20" from the back of the RF-7II to the Wall, or whatever you think you can get there.... let them breath w/ their Rear Bass Reflex Ports.

Rippyman, put an EMO XPA-5 or -3 with your AVR -- and they will really come up.

 

[DenPureSound]

That does look pretty good to me.
How does it measure?

Let's ask Rippyman -- how do the RF-7II's measure?

or Maybe how do they SOUND, and forget the Measurements like the great Measurements on the Aperion VGT's.

Rippyman -- I bet you really wanted the Focals or Paradigms over the Klipsch RF-7II's, but the cost of the Klipsch was considerably less, right?

 

[DenPureSound]

I heard some go up against the Energy's my friend bought. Unfortuantely they were too close together to get a really good idea. That certainly sounded good. of course the place also had bookshelves on an actual shelf lol.

What Energy Model did your friend buy? Have you heard both the Energy and the Klipsch's?

That is where books go on the shelves all closed up...

 

[DenPureSound]

Definitely some aspects of the RF-7 design I like... directivity control should be down to around 1.6khz and the dynamics should be pretty good.

tough to judge it without hearing it and without measurements though. Most of us think Klipsch = Some boom, a good sizzle, and then horn colorations I am also biased against titanium compression drivers

As posted earlier, the Klipsch RF-7II's Towers cross over at 1.2kHz. to the large Titanium Tweeter per their specs. I have never seen any measured data on them, and Klipsch Engr. does NOT release their Plots either, as I called them directly.

 

[GranteedEV]

As posted earlier, the Klipsch RF-7II's Towers cross over at 1.2kHz. to the large Titanium Tweeter per their specs. I have never seen any measured data on them, and Klipsch Engr. does NOT release their Plots either, as I called them directly.

1.2 khz seems like a good frequency to cross a 10" woofer to a compression driver. The crossover region directivity is probably smooth if I had to guess, though the tractrix horn is known to beam high frequencies.

I don't trust titanium to not ring in the audible band. An interesting DIY mod you could do to these klipsch speakers would be coating the diaphram in antivibe.

Still, if the crossover isn't boom and sizzle they could be some pretty decent speakers. End of the day it all boils down to the crossover.

 

[DenPureSound]

1.2 khz seems like a good frequency to cross a 10" woofer to a compression driver. The crossover region directivity is probably smooth if I had to guess, though the tractrix horn is known to beam high frequencies.

I don't trust titanium to not ring in the audible band. An interesting DIY mod you could do to these klipsch speakers would be coating the diaphram in antivibe.

Still, if the crossover isn't boom and sizzle they could be some pretty decent speakers. End of the day it all boils down to the crossover.

The tractix horn does indeed BEEM the highs, and that is what most call the "Klipsch Horn Shrill" -- and it can be fatiguing over time. The Klipsch's are in my feeling, and I own them a little light (need more Boost) in the mid-range for vocal clarity and gains, and maybe some antivibe on the titanium tweet would fix the upper shrill.

They surely don't lack in Dynamics, and being able to come up in SPL w/o distortion - they got that one figured out.

Have you seen any Reviews and/or Measurements on the RF-7II's?

Totally agree, no Xover specs on the Klipsch's either -- wonder why?

 

[Nuance AH]

That's what I think about all the great speakers. They all sound very similarly great. They all sound very similarly dead accurate. They all measure similarly great. They all have similarly great imaging and soundstage.

Word.

Those Klipsch look nice.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

...I found the Klipsch to have the most crisp clean sound that I personally enjoy, they were full and rich with incredible clarity that the other two seemed to fall short in. Both the paradigm and focal seemed to struggle with mids and lows, they sounded more muted and soft. The Klipsch brought the music to a whole new level, you could hear every note, every chord, every detail...I absolutely love them.

When I auditioned the B&W 800D, 802D, 803D, & Paradigm Studio 100, I also thought they sounded "congested, muddy, & compressed".

Clear, dynamic, and not fatiguing is what you want.

Are the Klipsch fatiguing at all like some people say?

Some people say they sound too bright, shrill, piercing, and fatiguing.

 

[DenPureSound]

Word.

Those Klipsch look nice.

Brandon, that is where I started at, as you know.. Posting the RF-7II's and then here comes Rippy with those Gorgeous BIG / BOLD Towers with a SERIOUS Statement to be made....

Maybe I will just go up in the Klipsch lineup -- ADTG, Nuance, and Grant will really love me, after all that. If KEF does not get there act together it could be RF-7II's.

PWK - Paul Wilbur Klipsch was one fine Engr. and I finished reading his book a few months ago. Paul loved the corner horn effects.

 

[GranteedEV]

PWK - Paul Wilbur Klipsch was one fine Engr. and I finished reading his book a few months ago. Paul loved the corner horn effects.

The corner horns are cool. Wayne Parham's Seven Pi:

Pi Speakers, seven Pi speaker

Would be interesting, if it didn't look like that

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Well here is the Stereophile measurements of the Klipsch Palladium:

Klipsch Palladium P-39F loudspeaker Measurements | Stereophile.com

The on-axis looks like +/- 3dB from 200Hz-9kH. Spectral decay looks good.

JA concluded:

" Overall, this is impressive measured performance, suggesting that Klipsch has some excellent speaker engineers on staff."

Perhaps the RF7 measures like that.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Maybe I will just go up in the Klipsch lineup -- ADTG, Nuance, and Grant will really love me, after all that.

As long as you are happy with the sound, we are happy.

 

[DenPureSound]

The corner horns are cool. Wayne Parham's Seven Pi:

Pi Speakers, seven Pi speaker

Would be interesting, if it didn't look like that

Geez, I feel like I am in Church today w/ those.

Wow, why 7 PI, heck that is 3.5 times around ... a full circle, making my head spin all around.