Dream Speakers Under $6,000 Retail

[DenPureSound]

Exactly. I would not buy from any liquidators. Mark is the man.

Once you buy from a Liquidator, you will have to go to a Liquid Maker to set things straight.

I would guess soon, we should have some feelings on the Focals and the Paradigm Sig. S8's, as I know ADTG loves the S8's. Let us know Peng.

They say the Ears TT (Golden Ears Triton Two) are better than some of those speakers costing 5 Digits, they did not mean the Salon 2's did they?

If I get the Ears TT's I would not have to change my Avatar, as I hate to bother ADTG, since it has a High Velocity Folded Ribbon (HVFR) tweeter (Heil Type). Did you read it has a Plastic Ribbon (of course, special formulation polymer)? Geez, I hope the sound is NOT plastic...

 

[DenPureSound]

My prediction is that Denonpuresound ends up loving the Golden Ear Triton towers.

DeNoNPureSound, says Denon does produce some PURE SOUND -- Love the 4311, fine AVR and Made in JAPAN. Caught that one Minus, good one!!

How could anyone NOT love them, as all of their Reviews say, Phenomenal No, but Absolutely Phenomenal Yes!

Wonder how much that cost Sandy and Don? Still looking for just one thing that is Negative in all the Reviews of them.

 

[PENG]

Once you buy from a Liquidator, you will have to go to a Liquid Maker to set things straight.

I would guess soon, we should have some feelings on the Focals and the Paradigm Sig. S8's, as I know ADTG loves the S8's. Let us know Peng.

They say the Ears TT (Golden Ears Triton Two) are better than some of those speakers costing 5 Digits, they did not mean the Salon 2's did they?

If I get the Ears TT's I would not have to change my Avatar, as I hate to bother ADTG, since it has a High Velocity Folded Ribbon (HVFR) tweeter (Heil Type). Did you read it has a Plastic Ribbon (of course, special formulation polymer)? Geez, I hope the sound is NOT plastic...

Again, I have never intended to buy from them. I asked ADTG for his opinion only because I was curious about if his prices were comparable to that of the liquidators. It seems that they were close enough and as such he has the best deals in the world, best prices with factory warranty. He is a confirmed wise shopper, at least in my book.

Now, please read my PM, in full if you will, and delete it right after to keep your box low..

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Again, I have never intended to buy from them. I asked ADTG for his opinion only because I was curious about if his prices were comparable to that of the liquidators. It seems that they were close enough and as such he has the best deals in the world, best prices with factory warranty. He is a confirmed wise shopper, at least in my book.

Now, please read my PM, in full if you will, and delete it right after to keep your box low..

Do you have a local KEF dealer that can get any Reference speakers?

My dealer doesn't stock them, but he can always ask the KEF rep to loan a pair for customers to audition.

Your dealer could get a loaner from KEF for audition.

If your dealer can't even offer the Reference line, and you are "forced" to go elsewhere, I see why KEF won't honor the warranty from an authorized USA dealer.

It is also safer to use a credit card that offers consumer protection on purchases. I paid Mark via credit card, of course.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

If I get the Ears TT's I would not have to change my Avatar, as I hate to bother ADTG, since it has a High Velocity Folded Ribbon...

No bother at all.

Can't wait for your audition of the GoldenEar & DefTech & PENG's audition of the Focal & Paradigm.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Matter of act I heard the Triton's yesterday, we played everything from jazz, blues, Dire Straits, classical to Christmas music and they sounded pretty darn good for a pair of $2,500 speakers. We drove them with everything from Quicksilver Tubes, to mono blocks, different pre-amps and a plain old Cambridge 2 chl receiver and nothing seemed to cramp their sound.

I think if you loved those GoldenEar, you would love the DefTech BP7000SC & the discontinued BP7001SC, which I think have the advantage since they are bipolar speakers (the GoldenEar is monopole). Of course, there are better speakers that cost a lot more money. But for the price vs performance, I think the BP7001SC are a great value. I would put them up against the B&W Diamond, Paradigm, & PSB (based on my auditions).

 

[DenPureSound]

Today's audition comments coming online tomorrow --

ADTG thank you for all your help in this selection process for a Dream Speaker as well as AVR Selections, and Peng for all the work you did regarding Amp and AVR selections. You both have helped me spend all my monies.

As we all know, our speaker selection is just a personal one, and if the specs are or aren't ruler flat, it is all in the SQ that one hears, and either likes or dislikes the voicing of that speaker line, in the end run a very subjective selection kind of like what color do you like, as some say "Black is Beautiful" but others want Cherry or Mahoghany, etc.?

 

[MinusTheBear]

At least tell us what speakers you purchased?

 

[DenPureSound]

At least tell us what speakers you purchased?

Have NOT purchased yet, working pricing details.

You might fall out of your Chair, when I tell you potentially what direction we are going!

But you won't have to wait till Xmas, Santa might just come early this year, and we might need some spiked Eggnog for the lifting chore.

 

[MinusTheBear]

Did you become a Golden Ear?

 

[GranteedEV]

my money's on something bad measuring like Vienna acoustics or B&W

 

[MinusTheBear]

my money's on something bad measuring like Vienna acoustics or B&W

Oh boy! If they are VA tell DPS not to get curious and look inside. Curiosity can kill the cat.

I'll keep my prediction of the Tritons with the runner up going to def tech.

 

[billy p]

I money is on Def Tech just a feeling I get....

 

[adwilk]

Klipsch RF7II FTW

 

[adwilk]

I money is on Def Tech just a feeling I get....

Hey, Billy!!! its been a while!!! hows my favorite Canadian?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

My money is on those omni speakers since 3dB and I can make heads or tails out of their measurements.

Damn if you do, and damn if you don't.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

my money's on something bad measuring like Vienna acoustics or B&W

No, he likes crystal clear midrange, not muddy.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

No, he likes crystal clear midrange, not muddy.

I think DenPureSound & I probably have the same tastes in sound quality.

However, what may seem crystal clear to us may not be crystal clear to others, depending on various factors mentioned.

All the joking aside, crystal clear sound, detailed accurate midrange with 3 dimensional life like soundstage is what most of us are after.

All the measurements and specs will guide us there. But they only go so far.

Getting that sound is where we want to be when everything is said and done.

 

[DenPureSound]

I think if you loved those GoldenEar, you would love the DefTech BP7000SC & the discontinued BP7001SC, which I think have the advantage since they are bipolar speakers (the GoldenEar is monopole). Of course, there are better speakers that cost a lot more money. But for the price vs performance, I think the BP7001SC are a great value. I would put them up against the B&W Diamond, Paradigm, & PSB (based on my auditions).

OK, all bets on the Table or forever hold your Breath.

Yesterday we drove about 1.5hrs. to the audio shop, and was happy he had those Golden Ear Triton Twos on the floor. After reading about 7 Reviews that ALL loved them we were excited to actually hear them. -- Wow, we said they would NOT win any fashion design award, put in some Pink Floyd, and stood back and listened... w/in 3 mins. wife said, NOT THOSE, and I said let's try some StarShip tunes... after another few mins... she and I agreed to shut them OFF. To our ears on a scale of 5 Stars they were about 3.5 Stars... that is it.
We could not pick up the finite transient highs, and they just seemed to be somewhat Cloudy like the weather was outside. NO GO, and certainly not at $2500/pr. since Sandy will not let the dealer deal on them, and the dealer cost = $1250/pr. or $625 / box, and they might be worth $500-600 per box if you can get them at that price, I don't think one can unless your a dealer. At any rate... NO Golden Ears here... for sure. Minusthebear, your money on the table is gone, or were you just wondering and not betting [Laughing].

So then over to the Def. Tech lineup, and he fired up the BP7000SC SuperTowers -- H___l the whole world came alive, well it should of... the cost is almost twice what the Ear TT would of cost, a little less.

So then I said, VERY NICE -- that is the Signature of Sound we are looking for -- but WAY TO MUCH $ for this go around.

So then he said OK, let's fire these up -- the Def. Tech. BP7001SC's, driving them w/ a couple Sony monoblock 200W amps, just like he drove the 7K's. Geez, these sound like the 7000's, and cost HOW MUCH? He said, can go around $2.5K per Pair -- played Pink Floyd/Starship/Fleetwood Mac, and listened and listened... that is the Sig. of SQ we want. Played w/ the gain on the subwoofer level as he had no EQ going on, just flat, and dialed in the level for low freq. gain... VERY NICE. Cranked them WAY up.. had no SPL meter with me, but still clear and detailed at very High SPL levels until our ears started bleeding. I think the knob for SW was right around 10 o'clock.

So, then onto the Klipsch Corner Horns at $17.5K in extreme corners of this big warehouse, and put in Susan Boyle -- lit up the whole warehouse, and these speakers must of been around 50 ft. apart from one another in the extreme corners of the building. Other half said she could hear Susan licking her lips w/ the Klipsch's... and as soon as he turned them on, I said "Yep, that is the Klipsch Signature Sound", same sig. of sound as the RF-82II's we have - but want to get away from that Sound Signature.

So, we LOVED the Def. Tech. BP7KSC Series... clean, detailed, 3D, full soundstage, high freq. transients were right on, midrange was very full and smooth. We loved the Sound Signature and Quality of the Def. Tech BP7KSC series, like they were Awesome and Frightening REAL, like we were there right w/ Starship playing.

As most all know, One Active SW (10" or 14") at 1500 or 1800W respectively and coupled to two low bass radiators, Two 1" Alum. dome tweeters, and Four 6.5" mineral filled polymer upper bass/mid-range drivers per box - w/ front and rear firing D'Appolito arrays for Mids/Tweets.

So Def. Tech. BP7000SC right at a shade over $4K. or better yet we could get by w/ the Def. Tech. BP7001SC's at around just under $2.5K per Pair.

That is where we are at right now... working pricing next to see if we can get the Dealer to come down lower in pricing. 5 yr. warranty, and 3 yrs. on amp.

We both just LOVED the signature of "Real Life" sound coming from the Def. Tech line, and that would get us our missing Mid-Range back moving away from the Klipsch lineup.

End of Audition -- did billy_p and ADTG win the bet and split all the $$ on the table?

 

[ski2xblack]

Very cool that you're getting out there for some real auditions. Even cooler that your retailer had Khorns set up for you to hear.

OK, all bets on the Table or forever hold your Breath.

[Regarding GE] To our ears on a scale of 5 Stars they were about 3.5 Stars... that is it.

I'm a bit disappointed in this, as I would expect Mr. Gross' new offerings to be at least on par with his previous DT efforts. Thanks for sharing your impressions.

So then over to the Def. Tech lineup, and he fired up the BP7000SC SuperTowers -- H___l the whole world came alive, well it should of... the cost is almost twice what the Ear TT would of cost, a little less.

So then I said, VERY NICE -- that is the Signature of Sound we are looking for -- but WAY TO MUCH $ for this go around.

So then he said OK, let's fire these up -- the Def. Tech. BP7001SC's, driving them w/ a couple Sony monoblock 200W amps, just like he drove the 7K's. Geez, these sound like the 7000's, and cost HOW MUCH? He said, can go around $2.5K per Pair -- played Pink Floyd/Starship/Fleetwood Mac, and listened and listened... that is the Sig. of SQ we want. Played w/ the gain on the subwoofer level as he had no EQ going on, just flat, and dialed in the level for low freq. gain... VERY NICE. Cranked them WAY up.. had no SPL meter with me, but still clear and detailed at very High SPL levels until our ears started bleeding. I think the knob for SW was right around 10 o'clock.

Not too surprised. They can crank, and they don't do too much wrong.

So, then onto the Klipsch Corner Horns at $17.5K in extreme corners of this big warehouse, and put in Susan Boyle -- lit up the whole warehouse, and these speakers must of been around 50 ft. apart from one another in the extreme corners of the building. Other half said she could hear Susan licking her lips w/ the Klipsch's...

That's the classic Heritage midrange resolution she was hearing. It's a glorious thing. Big ol' horns rule!

So, we LOVED the Def. Tech. BP7KSC Series... clean, detailed, 3D, full soundstage, high freq. transients were right on, midrange was very full and smooth. We loved the Sound Signature and Quality of the Def. Tech BP7KSC series, like they were Awesome and Frightening REAL, like we were there right w/ Starship playing.

Starship? Really? Pass the earplugs and barf bag!

As most all know, One Active SW (10" or 14") at 1500 or 1800W respectively and coupled to two low bass radiators...

Don't get too hung up on this sort of thing. The proofs in the sound as you perceive it. I have DT Super Towers and Klipsch Heritage. Both use resonant bass loading with passive radiators, with similar extension (real world, not per the spec sheet-we know how hyperbolic DTs published specs are). Despite those similarities, they sound notably different. The Klipsch bass is tight, dry, and subjectively 'faster' sounding than what the DTs can do. The DT bass is invariably a little more phat, thick, and less tight. Reducing the bass gain on the DTs doesn't change the character of their sound, just reduces the volume.

We both just LOVED the signature of "Real Life" sound coming from the Def. Tech line, and that would get us our missing Mid-Range back moving away from the Klipsch lineup.

I think if you forget about specs and measured perfection, then DT could keep you happy for years to come. They're dynamic and lively, and if not the embodiment of 'dream speakers', they do provide thoroughly enjoyable music. The biggest hassle with dipoles is that you have to keep them somewhat out in the room, at least a few feet from the back wall.