Bose is so much better the Paradigm!!!

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mulester7

mulester7

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sts9fan said:
with these equalizers you speak of? :confused:
.....a 36 db boost on the highs and lows instead of 18.....instant doubling of the live presence rating....instant love and acceptance felt....instant vow taken in blood to never only use one equalizer again....money buried under bush for replacement if necessary....that type thing.....now I quit.....
 
mulester7

mulester7

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....boys, now see what ya' done?.....done went and got Clint in on it.....
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

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My argument for towers with dual or triple 8" or smaller woofers not allowing for sufficient bass is highlighted in this paragraph about the 901's:

Another aspect to the Bose 301/501/701/901 series is their use of multiple small speaker elements for reproducing bass. While most speakers use just one large high-quality expensive element for the bass frequencies, Bose speakers such as the 901s use many smaller lower-quality less-expensive speaker elements, wired together with complex equalization circuitry. While this certainly produces bass, many people feel that the deep bass is attenuated, and that whatever bass there is contains large amounts of distortion. Others apparently believe the bass is deep and of high-quality. Whichever way your opinions run, it should be noted that there are well-established theories about the size of the driver versus its lower frequency limit --- the bigger the driver the lower the frequencies it can naturally reproduce --- which Bose violates, or at least tries to circumvent in a highly debatable fashion. More specifically, John Busenitz says:

"When judging low frequency response, it is not only the total surface area that is important, but the excursion capability of the drivers and their resonance frequency, which determines the low frequency cutoff. Smaller drivers almost always have far less excursion capability and higher resonances than larger drivers. That is why Bose is pretty much alone in using multiple small drivers."

Just about all of todays modern speakers require a separate subwoofer to reproduce the bass that is lost to the larger 12" and 15" woofers in the front speakers that have evaporated from the market. 901's may play loud, and with several 33 band Soundcraftsman eq's, may sound pretty decent, they still lack the bass necessary to knock your mother n laws picture off the wall.
 
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Die Hard Yammy

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TO: CLINT

Sorry bout gettin my panties in a bunch, I've had quite a day. It's just not wise to get me started on BOSE, people's dedication to them REALLY CHAPS MY ARSE! Which does sound a little rediculouse, but remember I did work there for 3 years so my BEEF doesn't go without justification.

I'll try to keep my lid a little tighter on the BOSE subject from know on.

I'm not here to make enemies, much like you CLINT I seek Truth in AUDIO!
 
mulester7

mulester7

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.....ok, I lied and I'm not done, here's another...."several 33 band Soundcraftsman eq's"....not the same....use two Bose 901 equalizers....I can see before this is over, I'm going to have to explain how to position the four 901's down to the floor mats on the side walls....
 
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Privateer

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Bose 901's using one equalizer needs to try two
.....a 36 db boost on the highs and lows instead of 18
That is it? That is your magic touch? All you did was crank up the volume. The 901's run a full range driver system which can not duplicate the performance of dedicated drivers (woofer,mid,tweeter).
 
mulester7

mulester7

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.....somebody pass Privateer that damned fence post to argue with....Sir....one last time....listen to 901's with one equalizer and then employ another....nothing to do with overall volume....presence....guys, listen up....if you're not after "live performance presence" with your system, you need to take up hang-gliding.....mercy, is there no one out there who has 901's with an extra 901 EQ stuck in the closet?.....or a friend one could be borrowed from?.......
 
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Privateer

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Find the frequency response of the 901's and it will tell you.
 
mulester7

mulester7

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.....Privateer, what makes 901's work is 89% of what you hear is reflected sound....add another Bose EQ and they literally come to life....and I'll admit, I'm basing all this philanthroping on 901's I had 25 years ago, but I notice they're still for sale....Bose 901's are to Bose what Miracle Whip is to Kraft.....
 
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Privateer

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.....Privateer, what makes 901's work is 89% of what you hear is reflected sound....add another Bose EQ and they literally come to life....and I'll admit, I'm basing all this philanthroping on 901's I had 25 years ago, but I notice they're still for sale....Bose 901's are to Bose what Miracle Whip is to Kraft.....
You sound just like the bose web site.

Bose AM-15
I have found ONE review were they tested the FQ response of a bose setup.


Bose AM-15
SATELLITES
Frequency Response:..... 280 Hz to 13.3 kHz ±10.5 dB
BASS MODULE
Frequency Response:.... 46 Hz to 202 Hz ±2.3 dB

Look at how pathetic these speakers perform, they only tested to 13.3 kHz and they were already off by 10dB! You would see the same comming from the 901's. Pathetic.
http://www.geocities.com/p_iturra/Misc_HT_Speakers.html
 
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sjdgpt

Senior Audioholic
Bose do sound Great ..... With the right music (no vocals or acoustic instruments), the right room (dimmed lights, lots of candles), and the right mind altering illegal substance.

Unless the illegal substance is provided with the speakers, why bother having any Bose products?

Then again, maybe that is why Bose is so darn expensive. :eek:
 
mulester7

mulester7

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.....please refer to your private message....sorry, guys, privileged info....me and Privateer go way back.....
 
mulester7

mulester7

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.....guys, what has always been Bose's strong suit is their presence.....
 
mulester7

mulester7

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.....Bose 901 18 db boost high and low equalizers.....use two and call me in the morning, haha........
 
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Privateer

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You still praise a speaker even when I show you how poor it performes! So it must all be in your head.
 
mulester7

mulester7

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.....Privateer, your pants are on fire....you showed me anything but 901 specs....and the specs don't really matter anyway, because here we go again, the ears should make the decision....think two....(2)......Clint, could I get escorted to my car for protection?.....these Martin whatever boys are gettin' hot.....
 
mulester7

mulester7

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.....well crap, somebody just called in here at the station and said they tried to use a second Bose equalizer and burned their damned trailer to the ground....was askin' me how big an ole' boy I was....better sign off early and get scarce.....
 
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Privateer

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you showed me anything but 901 specs....
That is because I can not find any. I wonder why?

and the specs don't really matter anyway
No? So a drop of -10dB does not mean anything? That test was only carried up to 13.5kHz, imagine if it was taken to 20kHz then the drop would be 30-40dB. Remember to meet a THX rating the equipment has to perform well in the 20Hz-20kHz region.
 
mulester7

mulester7

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.....thanks, Buck, a couple of friends are looking for cheap ones to snatch up as long as each pair has an equalizer....yeah, they knew my Bose 901 system well....you know, the one that had what?....come on....you know.....
 
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