Auro 3D

[zepaholic]

Yes sir, I have and we thank you for that. Without center spread it's really not the same, definitely not the same enjoyment. I still miss DPLII and how could really dial things in the way you want it. I understand they folded the technology into Dolby surround but I still like the old DPLII. They had a music mode and movie mode. I mean movie mode I didn't care much about but the music mode was amazing.

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I too really miss PL IIx Music mode. PLIIx was my absolute favorite. All the useless DSP Modes they have it would have been
nice to keep the PLIIx modes. Could that come back in an update? Does the A6A have the center spread?

 

[gene]

 

[Golfx]

Regarding listening to upmixers on all my 7.2.4 channels, I tried what Gene suggested and enabled center spread on my Dolby surround upmixer using 2ch roon to my Trinnov. It does give an improved “soundstage”. But as he suggested the auromatic upmixer has more bass. So there is confirmation that inside my listening brain is a teenage male that likes the added bass. It just sounds warmer to me. Plus I find the way auro 3d has the front heights directly over my mains just gives a “wall of sound” that I find beats out all other sound stages.


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[jakkedtide]

Yep I fought to get Dolby "Center Spread" back on Denon/Marantz receivers and they did for 2020 and newer. Make sure you enable it for 2CH music Upmixing.

Is there that option for the new yamaha a8a receiver. I haven't found it in the menus

 

[jakkedtide]

So for movies you should never up mix to auro 3d when it has an Atmos track. I am new to this auro 3d as my new Yamaha a8a now has auro 3d. This is a first for me so kinda exciting to have a new feature I have never had yet.

What about older movies that aren't Atmos. Would you just use DSU? Dsu for 5.1 movies used all my speakers 7.2.4 but neural x didn't use all my speakers, weird. I can't remember which 2 speakers neural x didn't use but right when I say that I switched back to Dsu.

@gene i would love you to make a video about the different ruomizers for movies just like you did for music. Like always, thanks for your abundance of information

 

[Old Onkyo]

That was a great video and while I don't have Auro 3D I do agree Dolby surround is best with 2 channel music, and it's 99% how I listen to 2 channel music. I really, really which we still had Dolby Prologic II/DPLII where you can customize it the way you want. That was just the best and I'm a little annoyed Dolby took that away or doesn't offer it anymore.

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Yes!

 

[3db]

I know I'm way behind the times as I just started playing with Neural X on my 3060. I watched U571 on BluRay and preferred the more immersive sound field created by Neural X. How many of you prefer to upmix as oppose to leave it straight?

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

I know I'm way behind the times as I just started playing with Neural X on my 3060. I watched U571 on BluRay and preferred the more immersive sound field created by Neural X. How many of you prefer to upmix as oppose to leave it straight?

In the years I’ve been immersive capable, I’ve gone between DSU and DTSnx. In most cases I’ve found DTSnx to be a little aggressive in using the tops, while DSU is a little more sparing. While I do upmix everything, I normally use DSU instead of DTSnx. IME it’s a little more natural. But sometimes that’s not as much fun!

 

[jakkedtide]

In the years I’ve been immersive capable, I’ve gone between DSU and DTSnx. In most cases I’ve found DTSnx to be a little aggressive in using the tops, while DSU is a little more sparing. While I do upmix everything, I normally use DSU instead of DTSnx. IME it’s a little more natural. But sometimes that’s not as much fun!

Do you think auro 3d would be in between the 2. I also noticed that some movies in Dsu used all my 11 speakers but when I switched to neural x it didn't play 2 speakers. Maybe because it was a 5.1 channel mix. Not sure, didn't really think about it at the time. The last movie I checked out all 3 upmixer played all 11 of my speakers

 

[snakeeyes]

I upmix movies and TV that is not already Atmos or DTSX with DSU. Sometimes I’m even accidentally leaving the DSU on for shows that are already in Atmos. LOL.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

I upmix movies and TV that is not already Atmos or DTSX with DSU. Sometimes I’m even accidentally leaving the DSU on for shows that are already in Atmos. LOL.

Technically I don’t think you can…

 

[gene]

I have a friend who does AV installations and he A/B switched in his house between Auro upmixing vs Dolby upmixing on 2 channel music content. I consistently preferred the Auromatic upmixer. Unfortunately, my current receiver doesn't have Aur. I am hoping to pick up a prepro with Auro sometime soon.

It looks to me like Auro has a decent amount of content as far as movies go.
https://www.auro-3d.com/consumer/

Guys who say Auro has no content (needs to be avoided) appear to be either talking out the wazoo or maybe Dolbypays them more money. In either case, i don't think it is a good idea for Dolby to be a monopoly. Hopefully, DTS and Auro will pick up more steam with amount of content released.

Sure if you want to watch Woke Ghostbusters in 1080p. LOL. There is very little Auro content, NONE for streaming and AFAIK, none in native 4K.

 

[gene]

So for movies you should never up mix to auro 3d when it has an Atmos track. I am new to this auro 3d as my new Yamaha a8a now has auro 3d. This is a first for me so kinda exciting to have a new feature I have never had yet.

What about older movies that aren't Atmos. Would you just use DSU? Dsu for 5.1 movies used all my speakers 7.2.4 but neural x didn't use all my speakers, weird. I can't remember which 2 speakers neural x didn't use but right when I say that I switched back to Dsu.

@gene i would love you to make a video about the different ruomizers for movies just like you did for music. Like always, thanks for your abundance of information

It's really bizarre to me that anyone would only play the 5.1 or 7.1 layer of an Atmos track just to upmix it to Auro. I prefer native immersive audio to simulated any day. If the object was to have sound come from every speaker all of the time, why not just play the 2CH track in ALL Channels Stereo?

 

[gene]

I upmix movies and TV that is not already Atmos or DTSX with DSU. Sometimes I’m even accidentally leaving the DSU on for shows that are already in Atmos. LOL.

The DSU won't engage if a native Atmos signal is present so you're fine.

 

[jakkedtide]

The DSU won't engage if a native Atmos signal is present so you're fine.

Awesome Gene, thanks for the insight! Always appreciated. So for movies it's orobsblt safest to keep my A8A on surround decode auto, so DSU is used most of the time anyways. Then no need to use straight for movies unless you want less speakers engaged. Am I understanding that correctly?

 

[SithZedi]

The update for my A6A was this morning. Auro 3D is a revelation. I listen mostly to an FM station while working, . I'll paraphrase Justice Stewart's comment on porn. "I'll know it when I hear it"

 

[jakkedtide]

Anyone know the difference between straight and DSU when it's an Atmos movie? Is it the same?

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Anyone know the difference between straight and DSU when it's an Atmos movie? Is it the same?

Afaik, If it’s an Atmos track, straight will play it back “straight” as it was mixed as opposed to a “scene”, or special Yamaha sound mode like “cinema” or “adventure” or whatever.
You can’t use DSU with an actual Atmos soundtrack unless you’re just using the basic 5/7.1 core track. DSU and DTSnx take non immersive tracks and utilize the height/top speakers to create a quasi immersive track. An Atmos track already does this, as well as using the metadata to place objects at XYZ coordinates so there’s nothing to upmix. That’s why IMO it makes no sense to apply Auromatic to Atmos tracks since it can’t use the metadata. In fairness not all Atmos tracks use objects to full effect so ymmv of course.

To your earlier question about why DTSnx didn’t use all of your speakers I can’t say.

 

[snakeeyes]

The Yamahas let you apply DSU or NeuralX as “Surround Decode” to any material including Atmos or DTSX. The opposite of “Surround Decode” is “Straight” which turns off DSU or DTSX. (DSP is a completely different thing to use on the Yamaha but the “Straight” mode button turns that off too)

I believe what @gene was saying was that applying DSU when the material is already Atmos would just play the same Atmos and DSU would not alter the material. Is that right?

I’m using Yamaha RXA2060.

 

[jakkedtide]

The Yamahas let you apply DSU or NeuralX as “Surround Decode” to any material including Atmos or DTSX. The opposite of “Surround Decode” is “Straight” which turns off DSU or DTSX. (DSP is a completely different thing to use on the Yamaha but the “Straight” mode button turns that off too)

I believe what @gene was saying was that applying DSU when the material is already Atmos would just play the same Atmos and DSU would not alter the material. Is that right?

I’m using Yamaha RXA2060.

Yes that is esactly what I am talking about. I have a Yamaha a8a.

So if Dsu doesn't change an Atmos track, then wouldn't it be safe to always use surround decode on auto.

Then all Atmos or non Atmos is going to take full advantage of a 7.2.4 system. It makes me not want to use straight tlat all anymore. I don't see what I would, music is different obviously. For music straight is good to get exactly the native track.