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[avaserfi]

This is very true of all spending, not just Iraq. The national debt is currently 8.9 TRILLION dollars. We need an immediate end to Republican pork-barrel spending and Democrat socialist experiments if we are going to avoid a new economic depression that will make the Great Depression seem like the roaring 50s. Our country will be shittier than Romania* if something doesn't get done.

*If I offended any Romanians, let me appologize by saying "What are you doing on the internet. Shouldn't you be dressing up as Dracula in an attempt to solicit tips from tourists or something?"

ROFLMA such a serious thread and you come in and make me laugh my *** off +rep for you.

On a more serious note you are very right about the national debt too bad the idea of spending reasonably has been lost on both parties.

 

[Johnd]

This is very true of all spending, not just Iraq.

Agreed. Cut the fat.

 

[Buckle-meister]

If I offended any Romanians...

Rock&Roll Ninja; you have to have the most warped sense of humour of all Audioholic members.

 

[The Dukester]

We do have a similar program in fact its the best in the world,NO STATE OR COUNTY HOSPITAL CAN REFUSE SERVICE,that includes dentistry & all childrens health care including pediatrics,patients cant be turned away even if they owe the hospital thousands of dollars.

Seems like YOU can be refused, even though you have insurance
Check post 34 http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=269258&highlight=nazi#post269258

 

[stratman]

Change a couple of words in that description, people might start to think that you are talking about Israel.


Because Israel's government is a rogue regime that invaded almost all its neighboring states (Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, etc.), repeatedly violated UN sanctions, failed to uphold the numerous Camp David accords that were supposed to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, treating its Arab citizens and Jewish citizens of African descent as second class citizens (women and children), mass murdered political opponents, financed terrorism (against arab states) and generally abused the decades of American backing for evil purposes.

And oh, Israel also has the one thing that was never found in Iraq, WMD's!

My friend that is a long reach! To compare Israel to Iraq, man talk about grasping at straws, LOL!!!

 

[Tomorrow]

What is not to understand? Why do you keep asking me for an "approach", a plan, and if I have America's best interest at heart? That is precisely the reason why I do extend my opinion. I think to continue to remain in Iraq will only hurt this country further.

1) Nationally: We are approaching 4000 US deaths, and some of those relatives are becoming disenfranchised.

2) Nationally: We cannot continue to rob Peter to pay Paul. There is only so much money to go around to fund this war.

2) Globally: We continue to make more enemies than friends by remaining in Iraq.

Care to try to disprove any or all of these three points?

I think you have really missed the point, John. Sometimes it's in the homeland's best interest to sacrifice...be it humans, money, resources, whatever. It may be an investment or hedge against worse. What I asked of you is to detail (gads, I hate saying this yet again) the benefits to the U.S. if we pull out now. Using your (negative...don't do this) 'benefits', we would never have enjoined WWl or WWll. Would that have been a good idea? Would that have benefitted our country? You should know that there were voices much like yours during those eras.

I'm sorry to say this John, but I believe you are either arguing for sake of argument or have no sense for the realities of history and world politics. (THAT is the only ad hominum you'll see from me on this matter.) But for either reason, I'm gone from this exchange. My head is starting hurt from this wall I've been banging it on

 

[Davemcc]

Change a couple of words in that description, people might start to think that you are talking about Israel.


Because Israel's government is a rogue regime that invaded almost all its neighboring states (Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, etc.), repeatedly violated UN sanctions, failed to uphold the numerous Camp David accords that were supposed to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, treating its Arab citizens and Jewish citizens of African descent as second class citizens (women and children), mass murdered political opponents, financed terrorism (against arab states) and generally abused the decades of American backing for evil purposes.

And oh, Israel also has the one thing that was never found in Iraq, WMD's!

If you understand Israel so well, answer me one question. In the first Gulf War, why did Saddam Hussein launch SCUD missiles into Israel (a neutral, non-combatant)?

If you answer this correctly, I will consider not ripping your argument to shreds.

 

[Johnd]

Sometimes it's in the homeland's best interest to sacrifice...be it humans(

Well, we now know were you stand. Sacrifice humans, do we? Now that's perverse!

And now you're head's hurting from hitting it on the wall? My advice is to go stick it back in the sand!!!

That last comment was hyperbolic in nature.

 

[Johnd]

If you understand Israel so well, answer me one question. In the first Gulf War, why did Saddam Hussein launch SCUD missiles into Israel (a neutral, non-combatant)?

If you answer this correctly, I will consider not ripping your argument to shreds.

I think furrycute is alone in his comparison of Israel to Iraq. Perhaps it was a momentary lapse and he'll detract the statement.

 

[Buckle-meister]

I think furrycute is alone in his comparison of Israel to Iraq.

The former represents 75% of the latter (Now that's code for you Sheep!).

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

Using your (negative...don't do this) 'benefits', we would never have enjoined WWl or WWll. Would that have been a good idea? Would that have benefitted our country? You should know that there were voices much like yours during those eras.

Actually very little was gained from our involvement in the Great War. Most of the long-term "spoils" (shares of banking, industry, etc) we expected were negated by the global depression and then consumed by the German national reconstruction under Hitler. We joined (unofficialy many Americans fought in foreign militaries on both sides) when the war was almost over and at most shaved 4-5 months off the fighting, which most historians will tell you the outcome was largely writ by then.

 

[Johnd]

The former represents 75% of the latter (Now that's code for you Sheep!).

The meister! Long time no chat...too long. How is my Scottish bretheren on the other side of the pond? For me, it's just about time for a few drams and a good smoke. Hope you're enjoying your weekend. Cheers!

 

[Johnd]

Using your (negative...don't do this) 'benefits', we would never have enjoined WWl or WWll. Would that have been a good idea? Would that have benefitted our country? You should know that there were voices much like yours during those eras.(

Not at all. If you remember your history, FDR resisted involvement in the war despite Churchill's repeated pleas (requests). Any cries of continued non-involvement fell on deaf ears in the early hours of the morning, December 7, 1941. And rightfully so.

Any other misappropriated syllogisms?

 

[Buckle-meister]

Long time no chat...too long. How is my Scottish bretheren on the other side of the pond?

Glè mhath, tapadh leibh.

For me, it's just about time for a few drams and a good smoke.

All; note the use of the word "few".

 

[Johnd]

Glè mhath, tapadh leibh.

Glè mhath, agus sibh?

I'll steer clear of those things I know nothing about...Sheep gets way too much attention as it stands.

It seems as though I've stepped on a few toes in this thread. I really dislike misinterpretations and misunderstandings. It seems as though the thread is back on track...which one, I do not know, as we've covered dozens of different things. Still, it's interesting to discover some people's point's of view, and what reasons they have, if any, for holding them.

Enough of my meandering diatribe. I'm off to imbibe!

 

[Buckle-meister]

Glè mhath, agus sibh? I'll steer clear of those things I know nothing about...

Just as well; your comment makes no sense unless it was I who asked you how you were!

 

[highfihoney]

Seems like YOU can be refused, even though you have insurance
Check post 34 http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=269258&highlight=nazi#post269258

I know what i wrote so there is no need for me to re read it all,also you have taken what i said out of contex,way out of contex,i think your aware of that too.

Yes you can be refused service but only if your an insured paying customer,i was not given service but i am fully insured,if your indigent or without insurance you can not by law be refused service.

Check your state laws concerning state or city funded hospitals before you put up faces like you caught an error in my post because there is no error or mistake.

 

[The Dukester]

I know what i wrote so there is no need for me to re read it all,also you have taken what i said out of contex,way out of contex,i think your aware of that too.

Yes you can be refused service but only if your an insured paying customer,i was not given service but i am fully insured,if your indigent or without insurance you can not by law be refused service.

Check your state laws concerning state or city funded hospitals before you put up faces like you caught an error in my post because there is no error or mistake.

Whoa! Easy, Big fellow! It was indeed, intended as a light hearted jab in a way serious thread. I'd say a good 70 percent of my business is with hospitals, so I'm pretty up on all those matters mentioned herein.
The only "error" I see or is implied is that the uninsured get treatment and folks like you that have insurance don't. Who cares if you have tats. Or long hair. Or no hair. Or six toes like my niece's boyfriend
Sorry if I offended you

 

[Tomorrow]

Well, we now know were you stand. Sacrifice humans, do we? Now that's perverse!

And now you're head's hurting from hitting it on the wall? My advice is to go stick it back in the sand!!!

That last comment was hyperbolic in nature.

Since you can't argue your case, I guess resorting to this type of childish insult and misrepresentation is to be expected. Nice, John.

Remember what I said about assuming? My bad for assuming you were an adult.

 

[highfihoney]

Whoa! Easy, Big fellow! It was indeed, intended as a light hearted jab in a way serious thread. I'd say a good 70 percent of my business is with hospitals, so I'm pretty up on all those matters mentioned herein.
The only "error" I see or is implied is that the uninsured get treatment and folks like you that have insurance don't. Who cares if you have tats. Or long hair. Or no hair. Or six toes like my niece's boyfriend
Sorry if I offended you

No offense taken but remember its hard to convey every nuance over the www Six toes,where does he buy shoes

Anyhow im not implying that the insured get refused treatment over non insured but i am stating that the uninsured have more legaly protected rights over the insured,i was flat out told by my lawyer that if i was a bum or uninsured that i'd have one heck of a lawsuit against the hospital but since im insured the hospital can refuse me service as i had other options,where as an uninsured person could not go to another hospital.

Im not an expert in the medical feild but i am an expert in bums & moochers because i know a bunch & have several in my family & believe me they are not lacking for health care one bit.