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[Buckeye_Nut]

You are actually wrong there. America is one of the few with a drinking age as high as it is. The average is probably closer to 18-19. Check it out:

http://studenttravel.about.com/od/studentpartyguide/a/drinking_age.htm
http://forums.cooptravel.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=85

LOL... who's talking laws? I wouldn't let my children drink providing they're still living under my roof. Some of us set behavior standards for our children

Parents who raise their children to be libs.....all too often end up with out of control Lindsay Lohan's as a result.

 

[Buckeye_Nut]

Getting back to the topic of health care, last time I checked American health care is ranked 37th in the world, Cuba is ranked 39th. Even Chile and Costa Rica are ahead of us.

American health care does provide you with the best and the latest treatments, but the catch is, you or your insurance company will have to be able to afford to pay for it. In 2006, over 46 million Americans, or 16% of the country, are uninsured. Think about that number, that means 1 out of every 7 Americans is without access to health care.

We may disagree on political ideologies, but these numbers are hard facts. 1 out of every 7 Americans without health insurance. And please do realize that these are not your average urban slum welfare mothers. For those who are at the absolute bottom of our economy, the government does provide them with Medicaid. And however inadequate Medicaid might be, it at least provides a semblance of health care coverage. Those 46 million Americans without any form of health insurance are hard working men and women who make too much to qualify for Medicaid but not enough to be able to purchase private health insurance. These people, the backbone of American, are the ones who are left out of our health care system.

The USA has the highest quality HC in the world, and you have to take those rankings with a grain of salt because there are socialist variables that go into those rankings.

Plus.... there are NOT 46MILL Americans uninsured by choice. Did you know millions of non-citizens clutter that list? ...........and about 6 million affluent households choose to self insure are also included on that list. There are 8million children eligible for Medicaid who are not enrolled by their parents for various reasons, and they are erroneously included on that list. Another big chunk of those uninsured are those changing jobs and going through a brief probationary period before new insurance takes effect. The real number is fewer than 10Mill which is a very small number when you consider a population of 300million. You really need to look at more sources than only getting information from socialist pro-commie HC media sources.

The real issue is cost, (not availability) and of course.... LIBs want nothing to do with stopping the many jackpot settlements that continue to this day.

 

[Johnd]

Getting back to the topic of health care, last time I checked American health care is ranked 37th in the world, Cuba is ranked 39th. Even Chile and Costa Rica are ahead of us.

American health care does provide you with the best and the latest treatments, but the catch is, you or your insurance company will have to be able to afford to pay for it. In 2006, over 46 million Americans, or 16% of the country, are uninsured. Think about that number, that means 1 out of every 7 Americans is without access to health care.

We may disagree on political ideologies, but these numbers are hard facts. 1 out of every 7 Americans without health insurance. And please do realize that these are not your average urban slum welfare mothers. For those who are at the absolute bottom of our economy, the government does provide them with Medicaid. And however inadequate Medicaid might be, it at least provides a semblance of health care coverage. Those 46 million Americans without any form of health insurance are hard working men and women who make too much to qualify for Medicaid but not enough to be able to purchase private health insurance. These people, the backbone of American, are the ones who are left out of our health care system.

And thos numbers are from 2005, the last time a study was done on the uninsured. In 2002, 1/3 of Americans had no insurance at all at some point during the year. And the studies show that the number of uninsured will rise as premiums rise.

37th...39th. While Cuba does not have cutting edge technology in medicine, it is available to all. Why do we not have a similar program?

 

[Tomorrow]

Tomorrow:

1) One would have their head in the sand to not admit that we are pugnacious...and I'm not just referring to Iraq. And yes, most of the world sees "the economy" as global. We are just beginning to ackowledge that fact.
2) Is that the only reason France is against the war in Iraq? C'mon. Yes, the French are somewhat pacifist. Perhaps it's because they've lost most of the wars that they've been in of late, or perhaps they just need a really good reason before they bear arms. I think the main reason they are against the Iraq war is because they have enough insight and wisdom to realize it's not worth it, and the war is unwinnable. There are other ways to contain terroist cells.
3) You seem to be an adamant supporter of the war in Iraq. Why? Whatever reasons you give to fight in Iraq or enforce a trade embargo against Cuba, I can give you a dozen reasons why China or North Korea are far more of a threat. How about Syria?

I'm willing to listen, but I have yet to hear why the Cuban embargo is now a necessary and good thing, and why it will now take at least another two years to get out of Iraq. Policy must have both good reasoning and support behind it lest the people become dissatisfied. Cheers.

1) Global economy maybe. Global politics, nyet...and we're talking politics here.

2) You just said that the French (and you) possess political "insight and wisdom" that the U.S. does not?! (Have you seen anyone about those feelings of greatness, John? LOL.) Logical...not.

3) I have said nothing about being a supporter of the Iraq war. (Hopefully you will learn the problems that come with making ASSumptions! ) Where did you even get that idea? And why would you think I don't realize the threat posed by China or any other nuclear-tipped totalitarian state? You're pulling this discussion way off the mark, John, and not carefully paying attention to what I've said...either that, or you just like putting words into people's statements that are not there. That's a no-no. Can you find a quote anywhere in this thread where someone says that the embargo is a good thing, examplia gratia? You won't be able to. You're the only one putting value judgments on the political behavior and results of U.S. actions in general.

You seem to have this George Bush-like tenacious strategic, focused bias that won't allow you to debate what is actually being said or is happening around you. (That's probably one of the few similarities you have with GWB...but it's noticeably evident.)

 

[Buckeye_Nut]

Despite our long-standing travel restrictions and trade embargo with Cuba, visas are routinely handed out for purposes of family visits, news reporting, science, education, etc. Hopefully they did it legally if they plan to ever come back here.

They never forget to provide extensive coverage of May Day....that's for sure

 

[Johnd]

The French vehemently protested our entry into Iraq and would not support us.

I thought this statement of yours was your endorsement of the war.

At the very least I believe you were trying to show France was wrong in not supporting the Iraq war...still an endorsement, albeit in the negative. You make it fun.

 

[Johnd]

1) 2) You just said that the French (and you) possess political "insight and wisdom" that the U.S. does not?! (Have you seen anyone about those feelings of greatness, John? LOL.) Logical...not.

As to the former, yes. In their decision to abstain from the Iraq war I believe they exhibited insight and wisdom.

As to the latter, never "said" it (last time I checked, we were all writing here, nyet?).

The second day after yesterday can be excused once in a while for an early beginning to the weekend!

 

[Johnd]

Can you find a quote anywhere in this thread where someone says that the embargo is a good thing, examplia gratia? You won't be able to.

Precisely. I have asked, but have not received. So if we cannot state that the embargo is a good thing, or, in the alternative, proffer some good reasoms that we still need to enforce that sanction, why are we still doing it? It's time for the dinosaurs to rollover!

 

[jonnythan]

I think it's really, really awesome.

 

[Tomorrow]

I thought this statement of yours was your endorsement of the war.

At the very least I believe you were trying to show France was wrong in not supporting the Iraq war...still an endorsement, albeit in the negative. You make it fun.

That is what I mean by making assumptions. My sentence in no way endorsed nor discouraged the war in Iraq.

I was trying to make the point of exactly what I said, namely that every country does what it does in its own self-interest. To give the big backslap to France for not engaging in the war is no different from doing the same to the U.S. for participating/engineering the war.

It is your opinion, as I read you, that it is (now, at least) in the U.S.'s best interest to get out of Iraq. Yes? Then I ask what detailed military intelligence and international agreements have you been party to that leads you to this conclusion?

 

[Johnd]

It is your opinion, as I read you, that it is (now, at least) in the U.S.'s best interest to get out of Iraq. Yes? Then I ask what detailed military intelligence and international agreements have you been party to that leads you to this conclusion?

Yes, you are correct sir. That is my opinion, and has been for quite some time now.

What detailed military intelligence and international agreements have I been privy to? None.

But, again, one would have to have their head buried in the sand to not make that deduction after listening to all the reports.

Why do you think Colin Powell, both a highly decorated and a careeer military man resigned? It's no secret.

Why do you think so many high level military leaders left our military in droves in the first five years of the new millenium? It's no secret.

Why do you think Paul Bremer was unable to accomplish the simplest of tasks as the interim leader? It's no secret.

These examples are now several years old. Colin Powell, being the company man he is and a true loyalist, will probably never disparage his "company". But many others have and are speaking out about the interminable leadership problems they could never circumvent.

Inside military secrets? None. I just read and listen. Cheers.

 

[Tomorrow]

Yes, you are correct sir. That is my opinion, and has been for quite some time now.

What detailed military intelligence and international agreements have I been privy to? None.

But, again, one would have to have their head buried in the sand to not make that deduction after listening to all the reports.

Why do you think Colin Powell, both a highly decorated and a careeer military man resigned? It's no secret.

Why do you think so many high level military leaders left our military in droves in the first five years of the new millenium? It's no secret.

Why do you think Paul Bremer was unable to accomplish the simplest of tasks as the interim leader? It's no secret.

These examples are now several years old. Colin Powell, being the company man he is and a true loyalist, will probably never disparage his "company". But many others have and are speaking out about the interminable leadership problems they could never circumvent.

Inside military secrets? None. I just read and listen. Cheers.

Dear John,

Now I want to be sure my head isn't buried in the sand. I want to make sure that we all see the truth as you see it...deduce it. So let me ask you one more question.

What will happen in the Middle East when we pull out? Deduce for us just exactly what will happen that is in our best interests. Muslims will love us more? Increased French battery sales to Iraq will benefit us because they use our wine as battery acid? Iranian influence in the region will cause a resurgence of Shiite-Arab Sunni love-festing? We can bring our troops home where they belong...finding the scoundrels that do or will lurk here? Sheep and other Canadians will believe in us as models of peaceful altruism? Our economy will strengthen and oil prices will dive through the floor?

Take your time, lol. This is an 'open book' question.

Best regards,

Tomorrow

 

[Johnd]

Dear John,

Now I want to be sure my head isn't buried in the sand. I want to make sure that we all see the truth as you see it...deduce it. So let me ask you one more question.

What will happen in the Middle East when we pull out? Deduce for us just exactly what will happen that is in our best interests. Muslims will love us more? Increased French battery sales to Iraq will benefit us because they use our wine as battery acid? Iranian influence in the region will cause a resurgence of Shiite-Arab Sunni love-festing? We can bring our troops home where they belong...finding the scoundrels that do or will lurk here? Sheep and other Canadians will believe in us as models of peaceful altruism? Our economy will strengthen and oil prices will dive through the floor?

Take your time, lol. This is an 'open book' question.

Best regards,

Tomorrow

Now Tomorrow, let us not assume, nor infer that I meant that you have your head buried in the sand. I truly did not mean that. But many people do have their heads in the sand on some topics.

"What will happen in the Middle East when we pull out?" I don't know.

But to be sure, The Sunnis and Shias will continue to disagree and fight each other, there will be other subordinate levels of infighting, and there will be some level of crime and anarchy unless a totalitarian government is reinstilled in that country.

But are you suggesting that it is the role of the U.S. to be the World Police? I agree we ought to intervene when human rights are repeatedly being violated (after intense diplomatic negotiations have failed). But what happens there after we leave, and apologize profusely for not keeping our promise, becomes their problem, and theirs alone, unfortunately.

Are you British? Because a couple hundred years some Brits came over here telling us what to do in our country, and we didn't like it too much. Imagine how the average Iraqi working man, mother or school teacher feels about our unbridled persistence.

 

[furrycute]

We are there in Iraq because of the oil. Have you guys heard the news lately? In about 5 years, world oil production will reach its peak, and after that, oil production will decline. You think today $3 per gallon of gasoline is expensive? Try $10 per gallon in 5 years, or $30 per gallon in 10 years. This is not fear mongering, these are predictions put out by some of the world's most eminent economists.

Like it or not, we are there in the Middle East right now to stake out our claim on the world's remaining oil reserve. While the media can go on and go about human rights, democracy, dictatorship, totalitarianism, religious fanaticism and so on and so forth, in the end it's all economics, pure and simple.

Rightly or wrongly, our leaders and their advisors have much more foresight than the public gives them credit for.

 

[Tomorrow]

But are you suggesting that it is the role of the U.S. to be the World Police? I agree we ought to intervene when human rights are repeatedly being violated (after intense diplomatic negotiations have failed). But what happens there after we leave, and apologize profusely for not keeping our promise, becomes their problem, and theirs alone, unfortunately.

Are you British? Because a couple hundred years some Brits came over here telling us what to do in our country, and we didn't like it too much. Imagine how the average Iraqi working man, mother or school teacher feels about our unbridled persistence.

I'm not suggesting a role for world cop for the U.S. It is, again, only what I said...that every country acts in its own best interest. (You must stop reading between the lines in my posts and making those assumptions that you do.) Furrycute made a good observation above. What I am still looking for from you is exactly what you suggest the U.S. should do, with regards to our presence in Iraq, that is in our best interests? That is all I asked of you. I can come up with many reasons as to why it is not in our best interests to leave there right now. You want us out. To what benefit?

By the way, there is no equivalence in the comparison of the U.S. Revolution and the U.S. occupation of Iraq. No more red herrings, please.

 

[Johnd]

We are there in Iraq because of the oil. Have you guys heard the news lately?

Really?

We've been there for 5 years and how much oil have we pumped, refined or shipped? That is one of the biggest left wing fallacies that abounds. Besides, how does one possibly escape the political suicide after trying to capitalize on all that blood oil? Once we start pumping, shipping or selling, I'll give your point some street cred, until then it's just fluff.

And as far as your final point, I'll agree that much of the administration has been unfairly judged. He has surrounded himself withe some highly skilled and experienced people. If he would only listen to them all...

 

[Johnd]

You want us out. To what benefit?

Maybe to keep the death toll of our servicemen under 4000.

Maybe to save some innocent civilian Iraqi deaths.

Maybe restore some international belief in the US as an incredibly humanitarian country that carries a big stick only when absolutely necessary.

 

[Johnd]

What I am still looking for from you is exactly what you suggest the U.S. should do, with regards to our presence in Iraq, that is in our best interests? That is all I asked of you. ... You want us out.

Tomorrow, why do you constantly ask questions to which you already know the answer?

I'm learning your style. But I must bid both you and furrycute a good night, as I must now retire. I look forward to continuing this deliberation two days from yesterday.

 

[Sheep]

LOL... who's talking laws? I wouldn't let my children drink providing they're still living under my roof. Some of us set behavior standards for our children

Parents who raise their children to be libs.....all too often end up with out of control Lindsay Lohan's as a result.

Haha, yeah, and the Bush twins are saints.

SheepStar

 

[Buckle-meister]

I wouldn't let my children drink providing they're still living under my roof. Some of us set behavior standards for our children.

What standard? (must've been raised a 'Lib' )