$3.50 a gallon? GMAFB

STRONGBADF1

STRONGBADF1

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rgriffin25 said:
Maybe this thread should be titled "People who drive Expeditions, Suburbans, Hummers, and any other low gas mileage vehicle GMAFB!"

Come on guys, I realize the Oil companies are making huge profits but enough is enough. Both of my vehicles average 30-35 mpg, how many of you can say that?

Not many.

The real problem as I see it is transportation costs...(forgive me, I am sure this has been discussed already but I read real slow so I didn't read all the posts) ;)...what if you have to drive a pick-up truck or cargo van for work, what if you are an over the road trucker, what if you own an airline...your increased costs, if you can stay in business, trickle down to everything.:(

For the record My wife and I own three vehicles, a Jeep Cherokee (18mpg), a Dodge Durango (14mpg) and an Olds Alero (20mpg). We will change our vehicles for ones with better mileage when the need arises. (it's just not cost effective until we have the need.) We try not to complain for ourselves although it is hard not to. I will complain for the transportation industries and the companies reliant on transportation because their incresed costs affects everyones bottom line.

"We the people" need to push our government to encourage all auto makers who sell in the USA to share alternative fuel technology so the ball gets rolling at a faster RPM. (I know...wishful thinking)

Maybe if we put bicycle style pedals in all cars we could solve the fuel shortage problem, the pollution problem and the obesity problem...:rolleyes:

Take care,
SBF1

p.s. I wonder if more people will opt for city living and public transportation?
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
Maybe if we put bicycle style pedals in all cars we could solve the fuel shortage problem, the pollution problem and the obesity problem...
As ridiculous as that sounds, it would work. :D

SheepStar
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

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STRONGBADF1 said:
The real problem as I see it is transportation costs...(forgive me, I am sure this has been discussed already but I read real slow so I didn't read all the posts) ;)...what if you have to drive a pick-up truck or cargo van for work, what if you are an over the road trucker, what if you own an airline...your increased costs, if you can stay in business, trickle down to everything.:(
Bingo. Why are diesel costs so high when it takes less refining to produce diesel? Everything is brought to us via semi, and this trickle down effect will hit everyone eventually. The travel industry can tell us all about it. Shipping charges will skyrocket. Postage will go up. A gallon of milk. It goes on and on.

Wmax, you bring up a great point. Do you have any links to this technology? Maybe I'll invest in it. ;) I've already put some cash into oil stock. I know where that's going. :rolleyes:
 
T2T

T2T

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Buckeyefan 1 said:
I need a full size truck for my job, since two 24' and 28' ladders won't safely ride on a Honda Insight (or S10 for that matter). At $2.68 a gallon, it ran me $67 to fill my F150 25 gallon tank. If gas hits $3.50 a gallon, I'm looking at $88 a week! That $381 a month just for fuel. Add in insurance, upkeep/maintenance, and depreciation, and you're talking a mountian of money.
It might be time to apply a sur-charge to your customers/clients, if you have that option. Heck, everyone else is going to pass the charges onto the consumers.
 
Rock&Roll Ninja

Rock&Roll Ninja

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STRONGBADF1 said:
p.s. I wonder if more people will opt for city living and public transportation?
Are you kidding? At the rate home heating oil (and electric) are rising nobody will be able to live in the city. Nobody north of S.Carolina anyway.
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

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T2T said:
It might be time to apply a sur-charge to your customers/clients, if you have that option. Heck, everyone else is going to pass the charges onto the consumers.
Already have. To top that off, asphalt roofing is going through the ... :rolleyes: If the tax writeoff increases to .50 or .60 cents a mile, I think I'll be ok. But in doing so, it's that much more cash out of uncle sams pockets. He'll have to think of another way to recoup that money.

This was in the Columbus (Ohio) Dispatch this morning.

"Schools feel fuel-price pinch. High energy prices and the need for more bus routes led to about $5.3 million in unbudgeted expenses for Columbus Public Schools this year. As a result, the district didn't buy updated textbooks or replace some buses, officials said. The cost of diesel and gasoline that power district buses and other vehicles is expected to come in $1.8 million over budget by the time the fiscal year ends June 30. That's 56 percent more than the $3.2 million that the district budgeted, according to acting Budget Director Hugh Garside."
 
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The Dukester

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Rock&Roll Ninja said:
Are you kidding? At the rate home heating oil (and electric) are rising nobody will be able to live in the city. Nobody north of S.Carolina anyway.

Living in SC, I can tell you that although we won't use as much heating oil as our neighbors to the North, those of us that have heat pumps or central AC will use alot more electricity keeping cool in the summer. It all balances out unless you just open the windows or heat with wood...NOT.
 
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The Dukester

Audioholic Chief
I fear the ATF will be getting a lot more reports of stills in the near future. Hey, you can have your fuel and drink it too. Oh, well, there goes the price of sugar.
 
majorloser

majorloser

Moderator
The Dukester said:
Living in SC, I can tell you that although we won't use as much heating oil as our neighbors to the North, those of us that have heat pumps or central AC will use alot more electricity keeping cool in the summer. It all balances out unless you just open the windows or heat with wood...NOT.
Heat, what's that?

I'll place my YEAR ROUND air conditioning bill against your seasonal heating bill anyday.
 
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The Dukester

Audioholic Chief
majorloser said:
Heat, what's that?


.

HEAT is what you're gonna get iffn you don't get the wife something nice for Mothers' Day...and a new pj doesn't count.:eek:
 
racquetman

racquetman

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Buckle-meister said:
Yabba dabba doo! :D
You've seen the Flintstones over there in Scotland??

Do they wear kilts in your version? Do they speak in heavy Scotish accents?

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of them all being Scotish!!! That would have been a great cartoon!!!!!!!! :p
 
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Buckeye_Nut

Audioholic Field Marshall
If you're upset about high gas costs, I hope your state isnt run like Minnesota's Democrat run state.
http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S14456.html?cat=1

Midwest Oil Company must pay Minnesota's commerce dept a whopping $140,000 fine for selling gas too cheap!!!!!

The Democrat-run Minnesota state government has set minimum gas prices since 2001. Apparently they fail to understand that it's the littlest guy, the consumer, who feels the biggest pinch when the government sets prices. Deputy Commerce Commissioner Kevin Murphy told the Minny Star Tribune that Midwest Oil's HORRID practices of lowering it's prices were "willful, continuing, and egregious, and warrant a substantial penalty."

Geesh, and I thought it was the republicans who were supposed to be in bed with big oil companies!!! I guess not:eek:
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
House OKs Energy Price-Gouging Punishment

This is promising. Let supply and demand dictate oil prices, but put a cap on exhorbitant profits by big oil. The first area they should look into is raising prices towards the weekend - even when the market isn't fluctuation.


By H. JOSEF HEBERT, Associated Press Writer 54 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The House on Wednesday approved criminal penalties and fines of up to $150 million for energy companies caught price gouging, yet lawmakers acknowledged there is no quick and easy fix to higher pump prices.

President Bush summoned Democrats and Republicans to the White House to discuss legislation to address long-term energy concerns.

"The price of gasoline should serve as a wake-up call ... that we've got an energy security problem and a national security problem and now is the time to deal with it in a forceful way," Bush said after the meeting.

With bipartisan support, the House approved on a 389-34 vote a measure that would create a price-gouging law and permit large fines and jail time for violators.

The Senate has yet to consider the legislation.

The House did reject a Republican bill that supporters said would make it easier to build refineries in hopes of easing tight gasoline supplies.

All but 13 Democrats opposed the measure, intended to quicken the permitting process. They said it would not bring down gas prices, could lessen environmental protection and usurp local say where refineries go.

Rep. Rick Boucher (news, bio, voting record), D-Va., said the problem was not a delay in permitting.

"The real reason we have a refinery shortage is the companies that own refineries are profiting enormously from the ... refinery bottlenecks," he said.

Republicans branded Democrats as obstructionists on energy. The vote, 237-188, fell short of the two-thirds needed to pass under special procedures.

Rep. Joe Barton (news, bio, voting record), R-Texas, a leading supporter of the refinery bill, promised to bring it back, possibly next week, under rules that require a simple majority for approval.

"There is not a panacea of short-term solutions to the (gasoline) price situation today because it's a demand drive price," Barton said. said at a news conference.

He said the government could set price controls or release large amounts of oil from the U.S. emergency reserve. But he opposes both ideas and said they would cause other problems.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist's proposal to give people a $100 rebate checks was all but abandoned Wednesday, ridiculed even by members of his own party as insulting and inadequate.

Also seeming to lose steam was a Democratic proposal for a 60-day "holiday" from the 18.4-cent per gallon federal tax on gasoline.

"We would likely to be able to do something now, quickly. The truth of the matter is we can't," Sen. Pete Domenici (news, bio, voting record), chairman of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, told reporters after the White House meeting.

The price-gouging issue seemed to have the most potential as a congressional show of support for people angered by high gas prices.

Under Rep. Heather Wilson (news, bio, voting record)'s bill, the Federal Trade Commission and Justice Department would have power over energy price gouging. "This is something we have to do," said Wilson, R-N.M.

During House debate, Rep. Sherwood Boehlert (news, bio, voting record), R-N.Y., said, "American consumers are demanding protection from price gouging."

Democrats echoed that sentiment.

"The American people are quite fed up. ... They know gouging when they see it and they're being gouged," said Rep. Bart Stupak (news, bio, voting record), D-Mich.

The legislation would direct the FTC to define price gouging. Violators could face penalties of up to $150 million for refiners and other wholesalers and $2 million for retailers. The measure would cover marketers of gasoline, diesel fuel, crude oil and heating fuel.

Wholesalers and retail outlets such as corner gas stations and service station chains could face civil penalties triple the amount of their unfair profit. Violators could go to jail.

Bush said last week he did not think oil companies were engaging in price gouging. He said Wednesday there is a "need to make sure our consumers are treated fairly — that there is fairness in the marketplace."

The president, in talks with lawmakers, discussed proposals aimed at increasing and diversifying energy supplies, extending tax credits for the purchase of hybrid cars and encouraging alternative fuels.

"I don't think there were any new proposals that had not been kicked around, tried, talked about before," said Domenici, R-N.M.

Also Wednesday, the House Energy and Commerce Committee heard about the administration's request for new rules for auto mileage requirements. Automakers would gain flexibility in meeting per-gallon standards for cars, but overall mileage would not necessarily rise.

Barton, the committee's chairman, said he does not see Congress ordering higher mileage requirements. "A Draconian increase would be a stake in the heart ... of the auto industry in this country," he told reporters.
 
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Mort Corey

Senior Audioholic
Great....next thing (after six months of hearings) these clowns will come up with is a new Department of Homeland Gouging and staff it with thousands of incompetant bureaucrats.:rolleyes:

Mort
 
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mustang_steve

Senior Audioholic
Buckeye_Nut said:
If you're upset about high gas costs, I hope your state isnt run like Minnesota's Democrat run state.
http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S14456.html?cat=1

Midwest Oil Company must pay Minnesota's commerce dept a whopping $140,000 fine for selling gas too cheap!!!!!

The Democrat-run Minnesota state government has set minimum gas prices since 2001. Apparently they fail to understand that it's the littlest guy, the consumer, who feels the biggest pinch when the government sets prices. Deputy Commerce Commissioner Kevin Murphy told the Minny Star Tribune that Midwest Oil's HORRID practices of lowering it's prices were "willful, continuing, and egregious, and warrant a substantial penalty."

Geesh, and I thought it was the republicans who were supposed to be in bed with big oil companies!!! I guess not:eek:
I think all the states have laws like that. What happened there was they were selling gas below the minimum allowable price. That price is set based on a certain amount over what the bulk price of gas is for that day.

It was intended to stop the big stations from running the mom and pops out of business by selling gas at a loss to keep people from going to their shops. As backasswards as it sounds, it's there for a reason...but sadly right now, when people need the gas to be that cheap, the companies nice neough to do so are fined.

Big stations get the bulk of their money from stuff bought inside, gas is just a minor profit at best.
 
Rock&Roll Ninja

Rock&Roll Ninja

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Climb my oil stocks Climb! Soar like an eagle! Higher into the sun!
 
hemiram

hemiram

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What some people fail to consider is that if you have, due to finances, to drive ONE vehicle, that has to be able to do everything you need to do with it. Borrowing is a major hassle (done it), renting is insanely expensive (done that too), so I have to drive one vehicle that can hold my fat self confortably, two medium sized dogs when it's cool out, or they need to go to the vet, etc, carry a 700-1000 pound load of bagged concrete mix, or asphalt patch, furniture, etc, a few times a month, and a couple of people once in a while. A couple of times a year, I might tow a small boat and trailer.

As far as I can see, the only single vehicle that really works is a full sized SUV, or pickup truck. With the insane prices a Tahoe/Yukon goes for (I don't "Do" Ford), the pickup was my choice. I had a mid-sized SUV in the past, and it killed my back, you had to duck to see traffic lights half the time, and I just wasn't comfortable in general. As far as cars in general go, I really HATE front wheel drive anything. Yeah, in the winter, it's ok, but they do odd things, handling wise, and my friends are always having CV joint issues.

The only way I would be able to afford more than one vehicle is to buy two used ones, a smaller car and a full sized truck, and well, that's not gonna happen. The insurance on two is going to eat up most of the fuel cost savings and after having used car issues in the past, I'm pretty well set against ever buying used again.

Yeah, the Ram gets 11.5 around town, 15 if I'm lucky on the highway, but in over 33 years of driving, I like it better than anything I've ever had. Screw the milage.
 

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