Swerd Audioholic Warlord Sep 3, 2004 9,610 0 113 May 1, 2014 #41 JohnnieB said: I'm looking for a good candidate 8" to try and build a compact TL sub. Click to expand... I'm entering this thread kind of late… I'm generalizing here, but there are compact subs and TL subs, but I can't think of a compact TL sub. There may be an exception, but I can't think of it. I guess it comes down to what you mean by compact. Usually subwoofer drivers are designed from the start to work best in sealed or ported cabinets. You can certainly switch from one type to the other for a particular driver, but it usually requires a much larger cabinet to work well. When you want a TL cabinet tuned for a subwoofer, by definition it requires a long line length, and a large cabinet, even if the line is folded inside the cabinet. An example is the 8" woofer cabinet in the Philharmonic 3. See photos here Philharmonic Audio. The 8" woofer is in the lower of the two boxes in each of the photos. This is a woofer, not a subwoofer, but it goes down to about 25 Hz. It isn't what I'd call compact, and in this design the line is folded inside the cabinet. Reactions: JohnnieB
JohnnieB said: I'm looking for a good candidate 8" to try and build a compact TL sub. Click to expand... I'm entering this thread kind of late… I'm generalizing here, but there are compact subs and TL subs, but I can't think of a compact TL sub. There may be an exception, but I can't think of it. I guess it comes down to what you mean by compact. Usually subwoofer drivers are designed from the start to work best in sealed or ported cabinets. You can certainly switch from one type to the other for a particular driver, but it usually requires a much larger cabinet to work well. When you want a TL cabinet tuned for a subwoofer, by definition it requires a long line length, and a large cabinet, even if the line is folded inside the cabinet. An example is the 8" woofer cabinet in the Philharmonic 3. See photos here Philharmonic Audio. The 8" woofer is in the lower of the two boxes in each of the photos. This is a woofer, not a subwoofer, but it goes down to about 25 Hz. It isn't what I'd call compact, and in this design the line is folded inside the cabinet.
JohnnieB Senior Audioholic Mar 7, 2014 599 0 43 Waterloo Iowa, USA May 2, 2014 #42 As far as being compact, I meant only in comparison to using a larger diameter driver. I would think it would take less volume and therefore be a smaller enclosure.
As far as being compact, I meant only in comparison to using a larger diameter driver. I would think it would take less volume and therefore be a smaller enclosure.
fuzz092888 Audioholic Warlord Feb 13, 2012 9,103 0 113 42.3464° N, 71.0975° W May 2, 2014 #43 JohnnieB said: As far as being compact, I meant only in comparison to using a larger diameter driver. I would think it would take less volume and therefore be a smaller enclosure. Click to expand... Not necessarily, look at the Phil 3 lower cabinet. That uses a very high quality 8" woofer that is capable of playing fairly low and loud. That ML-TL cab, in order to get it tuned into the 20's, is huge compared to a subwoofer I could build using even an 18" driver (with the right driver).
JohnnieB said: As far as being compact, I meant only in comparison to using a larger diameter driver. I would think it would take less volume and therefore be a smaller enclosure. Click to expand... Not necessarily, look at the Phil 3 lower cabinet. That uses a very high quality 8" woofer that is capable of playing fairly low and loud. That ML-TL cab, in order to get it tuned into the 20's, is huge compared to a subwoofer I could build using even an 18" driver (with the right driver).
JohnnieB Senior Audioholic Mar 7, 2014 599 0 43 Waterloo Iowa, USA May 2, 2014 #44 Agreed fuzz, but if the 18 were also in a TL with a cross section remaining constant throughout the line, wouldn't it be a larger enclosure? I guess this was my thinking anyway. I need to educate myself much more, and come back to this discussion when I have something of relevance to add. I see this as a challenge and I will succeed, even if it takes awhile. Thanks for your input, it keeps me in check with reality.
Agreed fuzz, but if the 18 were also in a TL with a cross section remaining constant throughout the line, wouldn't it be a larger enclosure? I guess this was my thinking anyway. I need to educate myself much more, and come back to this discussion when I have something of relevance to add. I see this as a challenge and I will succeed, even if it takes awhile. Thanks for your input, it keeps me in check with reality.
fuzz092888 Audioholic Warlord Feb 13, 2012 9,103 0 113 42.3464° N, 71.0975° W May 2, 2014 #45 JohnnieB said: Agreed fuzz, but if the 18 were also in a TL with a cross section remaining constant throughout the line, wouldn't it be a larger enclosure? I guess this was my thinking anyway. I need to educate myself much more, and come back to this discussion when I have something of relevance to add. I see this as a challenge and I will succeed, even if it takes awhile. Thanks for your input, it keeps me in check with reality. Click to expand... I would guess not necessarily, but I'm not familiar enough with the math to say for sure. I have the Martin King worksheets, but haven't gotten around to playing with them yet.
JohnnieB said: Agreed fuzz, but if the 18 were also in a TL with a cross section remaining constant throughout the line, wouldn't it be a larger enclosure? I guess this was my thinking anyway. I need to educate myself much more, and come back to this discussion when I have something of relevance to add. I see this as a challenge and I will succeed, even if it takes awhile. Thanks for your input, it keeps me in check with reality. Click to expand... I would guess not necessarily, but I'm not familiar enough with the math to say for sure. I have the Martin King worksheets, but haven't gotten around to playing with them yet.
moves Audioholic Chief Nov 27, 2009 963 0 43 May 8, 2014 #46 Buy one 800 Diamond and then save for the other one for later on. Reactions: Irvrobinson
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,058 0 113 May 8, 2014 #47 For my $10K: 1. Denon X4000 x 1 2. RBH SX-8300 x 5 3. ATI AT1805 x 1 Reactions: JohnnieB
S shadyJ Speaker of the House Staff member Oct 16, 2006 12,053 0 113 May 9, 2014 #48 AcuDefTechGuy said: For my $10K: 1. Denon X4000 x 1 2. RBH SX-8300 x 5 3. ATI AT1805 x 1 Click to expand... Yawn. Come'on man, have some imagination!
AcuDefTechGuy said: For my $10K: 1. Denon X4000 x 1 2. RBH SX-8300 x 5 3. ATI AT1805 x 1 Click to expand... Yawn. Come'on man, have some imagination!
JohnnieB Senior Audioholic Mar 7, 2014 599 0 43 Waterloo Iowa, USA May 9, 2014 #49 shadyJ said: Yawn. Come'on man, have some imagination! Click to expand... That may be the perfect system for someone who has the afformentioned budget. Simple, to the point.
shadyJ said: Yawn. Come'on man, have some imagination! Click to expand... That may be the perfect system for someone who has the afformentioned budget. Simple, to the point.
H herbu Audioholic Samurai Aug 1, 2011 2,944 0 113 NC May 9, 2014 #50 shadyJ said: Come'on man, have some imagination! Click to expand... Right. Take your $10k and buy something that would make your audiophile friends say, "Wow! I would never have imagined buying THAT! Now let's go over to my house and listen to some music." Reactions: JohnnieB
shadyJ said: Come'on man, have some imagination! Click to expand... Right. Take your $10k and buy something that would make your audiophile friends say, "Wow! I would never have imagined buying THAT! Now let's go over to my house and listen to some music."
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,058 0 113 May 9, 2014 #51 moves said: Buy one 800 Diamond and then save for the other one for later on. Click to expand... By the time you have saved enough for the other one later on, the next generation of Diamond B&W would have been released. So then you would have 1 800D2 and 1 800D3.
moves said: Buy one 800 Diamond and then save for the other one for later on. Click to expand... By the time you have saved enough for the other one later on, the next generation of Diamond B&W would have been released. So then you would have 1 800D2 and 1 800D3.
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,058 0 113 May 9, 2014 #52 shadyJ said: Yawn. Come'on man, have some imagination! Click to expand... herbu said: Right. Take your $10k and buy something that would make your audiophile friends say, "Wow! I would never have imagined buying THAT! Now let's go over to my house and listen to some music." Click to expand... Using the X4000 to power the five SX-8300's midrange & treble and using the AT1805 to ACTIVELY power the five SX-8300's bass is some imagination. herbu said: Denon X4000 AVR Emotive XPA-5 Amp 4x Aperion Verus Grand Towers 1x Aperion Verus Grand Center 1 Rythmik FV15HP and/or 1 SVS PB13-Ultra Oppo 103 BluRay Player Click to expand... You call this "wow" and imaginative ? Ooh, wow, it's Emotiva. Say no more. Wow for sure. My dream amp. Ooh, wow, it's Aperion. Ooh, wow, it's another one of a million passive speaker setup. Ooh, wow, everyone and his mother has a Rythmik and SVS, so having one will be eye candy and imaginative and original. Ooh, wow, it's another original imaginative Oppo player. Everyone already has a setup similar to that. But not many people have ACTIVELY bi-amped FIFTEEN 8" woofers (F3 = 25Hz, 5 towers, each tower has three 8" woofers) using 5Ch of ATI AT1805 amp. That is "WOW", imaginative, creative, and original. Last edited: May 9, 2014 Reactions: JohnnieB
shadyJ said: Yawn. Come'on man, have some imagination! Click to expand... herbu said: Right. Take your $10k and buy something that would make your audiophile friends say, "Wow! I would never have imagined buying THAT! Now let's go over to my house and listen to some music." Click to expand... Using the X4000 to power the five SX-8300's midrange & treble and using the AT1805 to ACTIVELY power the five SX-8300's bass is some imagination. herbu said: Denon X4000 AVR Emotive XPA-5 Amp 4x Aperion Verus Grand Towers 1x Aperion Verus Grand Center 1 Rythmik FV15HP and/or 1 SVS PB13-Ultra Oppo 103 BluRay Player Click to expand... You call this "wow" and imaginative ? Ooh, wow, it's Emotiva. Say no more. Wow for sure. My dream amp. Ooh, wow, it's Aperion. Ooh, wow, it's another one of a million passive speaker setup. Ooh, wow, everyone and his mother has a Rythmik and SVS, so having one will be eye candy and imaginative and original. Ooh, wow, it's another original imaginative Oppo player. Everyone already has a setup similar to that. But not many people have ACTIVELY bi-amped FIFTEEN 8" woofers (F3 = 25Hz, 5 towers, each tower has three 8" woofers) using 5Ch of ATI AT1805 amp. That is "WOW", imaginative, creative, and original.
S shadyJ Speaker of the House Staff member Oct 16, 2006 12,053 0 113 May 9, 2014 #53 You want a system with pizzaz, how about buying seven big old beat up Klipschorns and running them all full range. It might not be the most accurate system around, and it may be a little low on the WAF, but the right kind of music will make that setup feel like a roller coaster ride.
You want a system with pizzaz, how about buying seven big old beat up Klipschorns and running them all full range. It might not be the most accurate system around, and it may be a little low on the WAF, but the right kind of music will make that setup feel like a roller coaster ride.
H herbu Audioholic Samurai Aug 1, 2011 2,944 0 113 NC May 10, 2014 #54 AcuDefTechGuy said: You call this "wow" and imaginative ? Click to expand... You misunderstood my meaning. It was sarcastic. I meant the suggestion to lean toward imagination could result in friend being wow'd by your selections, but then wanting to go back to his own house to actually listen to a boring but higher quality system. Nope. I don't consider my system "wow" or "imaginative". Quite the opposite. I consider it high quality and relatively mainstream... and when someone asks for my suggestion on how to spend their money, high quality and relatively mainstream is what I suggest. Guess I need to be more careful w/ my sarcasm. Use lots of faces. Reactions: JohnnieB
AcuDefTechGuy said: You call this "wow" and imaginative ? Click to expand... You misunderstood my meaning. It was sarcastic. I meant the suggestion to lean toward imagination could result in friend being wow'd by your selections, but then wanting to go back to his own house to actually listen to a boring but higher quality system. Nope. I don't consider my system "wow" or "imaginative". Quite the opposite. I consider it high quality and relatively mainstream... and when someone asks for my suggestion on how to spend their money, high quality and relatively mainstream is what I suggest. Guess I need to be more careful w/ my sarcasm. Use lots of faces.
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,058 0 113 May 10, 2014 #55 herbu said: You misunderstood my meaning. It was sarcastic. I meant the suggestion to lean toward imagination could result in friend being wow'd by your selections, but then wanting to go back to his own house to actually listen to a boring but higher quality system. Nope. I don't consider my system "wow" or "imaginative". Quite the opposite. I consider it high quality and relatively mainstream... and when someone asks for my suggestion on how to spend their money, high quality and relatively mainstream is what I suggest. Guess I need to be more careful w/ my sarcasm. Use lots of faces. Click to expand... Oh, crap. Sorry. Yeah, a wink would help me the next time. In that case we are in total agreement. Reactions: herbu
herbu said: You misunderstood my meaning. It was sarcastic. I meant the suggestion to lean toward imagination could result in friend being wow'd by your selections, but then wanting to go back to his own house to actually listen to a boring but higher quality system. Nope. I don't consider my system "wow" or "imaginative". Quite the opposite. I consider it high quality and relatively mainstream... and when someone asks for my suggestion on how to spend their money, high quality and relatively mainstream is what I suggest. Guess I need to be more careful w/ my sarcasm. Use lots of faces. Click to expand... Oh, crap. Sorry. Yeah, a wink would help me the next time. In that case we are in total agreement.
JohnnieB Senior Audioholic Mar 7, 2014 599 0 43 Waterloo Iowa, USA May 10, 2014 #56 Has everyone seen the "what to do?" thread in beginners. Don't know if it costs 10k, but I wouldn't have thought of it.
Has everyone seen the "what to do?" thread in beginners. Don't know if it costs 10k, but I wouldn't have thought of it.
fuzz092888 Audioholic Warlord Feb 13, 2012 9,103 0 113 42.3464° N, 71.0975° W May 10, 2014 #57 JohnnieB said: Has everyone seen the "what to do?" thread in beginners. Don't know if it costs 10k, but I wouldn't have thought of it. Click to expand... You mean with the Cerwin Vega setup?
JohnnieB said: Has everyone seen the "what to do?" thread in beginners. Don't know if it costs 10k, but I wouldn't have thought of it. Click to expand... You mean with the Cerwin Vega setup?
JohnnieB Senior Audioholic Mar 7, 2014 599 0 43 Waterloo Iowa, USA May 10, 2014 #58 Yep. I for one like the CV sound. That system has got to rock. Seriously.
fuzz092888 Audioholic Warlord Feb 13, 2012 9,103 0 113 42.3464° N, 71.0975° W May 10, 2014 #59 JohnnieB said: Yep. I for one like the CV sound. That system has got to rock. Seriously. Click to expand... It wouldn't be for me. For me, there are "better" ways to get that kind of SPL if it's really required.
JohnnieB said: Yep. I for one like the CV sound. That system has got to rock. Seriously. Click to expand... It wouldn't be for me. For me, there are "better" ways to get that kind of SPL if it's really required.
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,058 0 113 May 11, 2014 #60 JohnnieB said: Yep. I for one like the CV sound. That system has got to rock. Seriously. Click to expand... Okay, are you being a little sarcastic here?
JohnnieB said: Yep. I for one like the CV sound. That system has got to rock. Seriously. Click to expand... Okay, are you being a little sarcastic here?
