Philharmonic Audio - 3-way open back ML-TQWTs designed by Dennis Murphy

[AcuDefTechGuy]

[The 5308 Denon will drive the Phils with NO PROBLEMS for sure, and it should be pretty much equivalent to my XPA-5, no problem as DM drives his Phils with half that total power per channel.]


Then I should be peachy....... the IIs...... the XPA-5......the Servo, of course!!!= the ecstatic joy of heavenly audio bliss!!!

But.....I may have to throw a tuby in there somewhere, hummmmm......where is the extra space......

I think a tube amp will not do anything more for you.

 

[woodsart]

I will do some comparison and get back with you

The Emotiva may fit the bill perfectly!

 

[DenPureSound]

Now anyone name Dennis, particularly someone who has written me so many times with excellent questions, can have these puppies for the original $2800 price.

That is the DeNNis with two "N's" in his first name and is also on AH, right?

Will the Phil 3's sound like these Salk SoundScape 10 Preview - YouTube or EVEN BETTER as these SS10's are Excellent, but really out of my League at $12K ?

Hold solid on those puppies -- as I want to get over to Portland, OR. to hear the Phil 3's, as I have to convince the other half who knows sound also, and want to make sure she is Overly Joyed As Well of the SQ of the PH3's.

Please check w/ the customer from Portland, OR. to make sure he/she is up to an hour or so Audition of the Phil 3's for us, OK?

 

[ski2xblack]

Warp, regarding Dr. Mark's comments on that other thread, I did not read it as an endorsement of outboard DACs per se, but pointing attention to clipping output stages being the likely culprit for your situation, regardless if that is the output stage of an external DAC, AVR, or whatever else. Higher end products, from mainstream AVRs to boutique audiophile stand alone DACs, often have relatively 'hot-rodded' line level output stages less prone to clipping compared to feature-laden but cost-compromized, less expensive units.

 

[woodsart]

Man....I can't believe I said 'TUBE' here....don't tell Dennis, ok. He will think I am putting 2 dirty diapers on a pair of his twins!!!

 

[ski2xblack]

Man....I can't believe I said 'TUBE' here....don't tell Dennis, ok. He will think I am putting 2 dirty diapers on a pair of his twins!!!

Now that's funny!

 

[DenPureSound]

[The 5308 Denon will drive the Phils with NO PROBLEMS for sure, and it should be pretty much equivalent to my XPA-5, no problem as DM drives his Phils with half that total power per channel.]


Then I should be peachy....... the IIs...... the XPA-5......the Servo, of course!!!= the ecstatic joy of heavenly audio bliss!!!

But.....I may have to throw a tuby in there somewhere, hummmmm......where is the extra space......

WoodsArt -- Your getting the Phil 2's right?

What are you going to drive them with their for your Pre/Pro/Amp, etc.?

Are you running Denon, Marantz, or ? with EMO XPA-5.

My problem is I would have to move my Klipsch RF-82II's out of the main Audio/Video source room, will I be disappointed by replacing them with PH3's?

I figure the dual woofs, and horn in the RF-82II's cost around $300 max. (Ea. Speaker was $600 total delivered) vs. the drivers in the PH3's at around $800 Each or so.

Am I missing something here?

 

[woodsart]

WoodsArt -- Your getting the Phil 2's right?

What are you going to drive them with their for your Pre/Pro/Amp, etc.?

Are you running Denon, Marantz, or ? with EMO XPA-5.

My problem is I would have to move my Klipsch RF-82II's out of the main Audio/Video source room, will I be disappointed by replacing them with PH3's?

I figure the dual woofs, and horn in the RF-82II's cost around $300 max. (Ea. Speaker was $600 total delivered) vs. the drivers in the PH3's at around $800 Each or so.

Am I missing something here?

It depends, but I am sensing, (without reading all of your prior posts), upgrade.....upgrade.....upgrade and maybe a change of brands.

I have an onkyo 806 for theater for the extra punch the XPA-5 and Panasonic Bluray. Infinity speakers, 7.1 of course the direct servo is in the mix as well. I have those dawlin, little WAF-1s for surrounds. And, yes, I have ordered the Philly IIs.

Wish I could help you on the Klipsch, may I be honest.....without criticism?

I have never listened to Klipsch on a "plan to buy basis", and never have they been in the mix and from all the negative, (sorry), on most of their line, I avoided them, I might have missed some great speakers, but some of the first reviews really turned me off. O course, this has been a couple of years. The line within my price range, that is and I assume you have some better than average ones.

So, from what I know about these Phillys and other works by DM, I know they are right for me. But, in my past post here, it's about what my ears tell me and honestly we are all looking for the same thing. "live on stage sound or better"

The Youtube video was very good, if you like that, well, well.....honestly I heard two good speakers at the CAF and at DM's home and (critical listening required), but I knew they were not in price range, so maybe i justified myself with the II's or III's at that time. But they sounded great. The bigger (SS) was bolder, bigger, fuller, the smaller III's was just below that! IMHO the bottom line is..... I just like the whole line of DM/Salk.

One great thing about DM, he is very honest and upfront with just a touch of sensitivity, teny tiny bit of it, though (it's the tuby thang.)

Seriously, I think you could get a great comparison sanerio from him that would definitely help you here. He would respond with great detail as much as he knows. Assuming he has heard Klipsch models. I am sure he would be glad to look at their specs. It is all about the crossovers!!!

However, I understand he is getting very busy and when the enclosure shipment arrives, well, busier.

I know you are looking for some answers, however, I am not the best one, so please PM DM (if you haven't already).

Rob

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Hold solid on those puppies -- as I want to get over to Portland, OR. to hear the Phil 3's, as I have to convince the other half who knows sound also, and want to make sure she is Overly Joyed As Well of the SQ of the PH3's.

As I was on the phone with DenPureSound, his wife snatched his phone & said I was CRAZY for buying speakers I've never auditioned.

So there is no way she is letting him buy the PH3s until she has auditioned them.

 

[GranteedEV]

As I was on the phone with DenPureSound, his wife snatched his phone & said I was CRAZY for buying speakers I've never auditioned.

Having done it once already, I think it's CRAZY to buy speakers i've auditioned. they just don't match up to online stuff

 

[DenPureSound]

As I was on the phone with DenPureSound, his wife snatched his phone & said I was CRAZY for buying speakers I've never auditioned.

So there is no way she is letting him buy the PH3s until she has auditioned them.

Well, maybe you are Crazy for buying some speakers there w/o an Audition, as you know women ♀ are always RIGHT!! Don't ever argue with them if you want them to stay around, actually I like when they leave then the Denon/EMO can push some Serious dB's and then all the dogs leave the backyard, and run for the hills.

I have some great land down in Florida, and I can give you a GREAT Price on it, wanna BUY IT?

Not true, I control all Fiscal Policy, just like Timothy Geithner and Bernake! How are we all doing at any rate, hopefully not like Greece!!

I think of the Stock Market as riding on a Sinusoidal Waveform, where the $ = $o [sin wt], where w = Circular Frequency (Rad/Sec) or Sec. ^-1 <== this one for GRANT studying this fine Engr. stuff, and if we can get more PEAK Amplitude out of it, some PH3's could fall right into the Equation ±√(♪♪♪+♫♫), or I could go over to the First Nation Casino and play some 6 and 8's at $30 ea. then regress down to $12 ea. or play some BlackJack -- facilitating taking up the slack in Early Retirement !!

 

[woodsart]

Having done it once already, I think it's CRAZY to buy speakers i've auditioned. they just don't match up to online stuff

Here Here!!!!!

And....DPS......Oh man, no WAF!!!

 

[DenPureSound]

It depends, but I am sensing, (without reading all of your prior posts), upgrade.....upgrade.....upgrade and maybe a change of brands.

I have an onkyo 806 for theater for the extra punch the XPA-5 and Panasonic Bluray. Infinity speakers, 7.1 of course the direct servo is in the mix as well. I have those dawlin, little WAF-1s for surrounds. And, yes, I have ordered the Philly IIs.

Wish I could help you on the Klipsch, may I be honest.....without criticism?

I have never listened to Klipsch on a "plan to buy basis", and never have they been in the mix and from all the negative, (sorry), on most of their line, I avoided them, I might have missed some great speakers, but some of the first reviews really turned me off. O course, this has been a couple of years. The line within my price range, that is and I assume you have some better than average ones.

So, from what I know about these Phillys and other works by DM, I know they are right for me. But, in my past post here, it's about what my ears tell me and honestly we are all looking for the same thing. "live on stage sound or better"

The Youtube video was very good, if you like that, well, well.....honestly I heard two good speakers at the CAF and at DM's home and (critical listening required), but I knew they were not in price range, so maybe i justified myself with the II's or III's at that time. But they sounded great. The bigger (SS) was bolder, bigger, fuller, the smaller III's was just below that! IMHO the bottom line is..... I just like the whole line of DM/Salk.

One great thing about DM, he is very honest and upfront with just a touch of sensitivity, teny tiny bit of it, though (it's the tuby thang.)

Seriously, I think you could get a great comparison sanerio from him that would definitely help you here. He would respond with great detail as much as he knows. Assuming he has heard Klipsch models. I am sure he would be glad to look at their specs. It is all about the crossovers!!!

However, I understand he is getting very busy and when the enclosure shipment arrives, well, busier.

I know you are looking for some answers, however, I am not the best one, so please PM DM (if you haven't already).

Rob

Rob, I am sure PWK - Paul Wilbur Klipsch Paul Wilbur Klipsch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is rolling over in his grave with all those negative Klipsch comments [Just Kidding]... I am going after a different more accurate quality of sound, than two 8" cone woofers and one horn -- it would seem to me, that having the cone woofer, and a planar mid-range, and a ribbon tweeter, w/ of course Excellent DM Xovers would bring that quality of detail across the full spectrum vs. the Klipsch Towers.

I was considering the Klipsch RF-7II big boy towers, until I talked to ADTG who has a Million $$ in Orions, Salons, KEF's... and he immediately talked me out of the RF-7II's at $2.2K / Pair delivered.

Thank you ADTG -- then ADTG went and bought the Phil 3's without even an Audition, just the DM specs of which there are more than any other speaker on line that I have seen, as the SS12's only have two specs on their web site (@$16K), nothing like DM's specs.

What two good speakers did you hear at CAF, and DM's place?

I wonder how long it will be before someone reviews the PHIL 2's or 3's, either here in the forum or online, etc.?

Maybe, ADTG can give us a nice review, since he has NOT heard them yet?

 

[woodsart]

Sent PM sir!

And, yes, I was wondering when we are going to get a good review on the net of the Phillys, maybe Dennis could yell at someone!!! It definitely would be the IIIs too.

Now you know I wouldn't know who PWB is.

DPS, I heard the Philly I and III, and The Soundscapes on two different occasions. Heard the Songtowers at a friends and I own DM's CAOW1's that he personally built for me with upgraded Hiquphon OW2s tweets (Pics on Home Theater Shack thread under "Dennis Murphy's Speaker Company'.

Yeah, ADTG, review.....review.....REEEEEEVIEW!!!!!

 

[DenPureSound]

Philharmonic PH1, 2, and 3 Testing Question

Dennis Murphy --

Once you get your enclosures from your other vendor there with you, and you install the Xovers, and Drivers there can you explain what testing you do to ensure the Highest Quality of Speaker performance?

Do you rerun on your Praxis system there each/every speaker for Impedance, and FR On-Axis plots again, or ?

Thanks, DM.

Dennis

 

[DenPureSound]

Sent PM sir!

And, yes, I was wondering when we are going to get a good review on the net of the Phillys, maybe Dennis could yell at someone!!! It definitely would be the IIIs too.

Now you know I wouldn't know who PWB is.

DPS, I heard the Philly I and III, and The Soundscapes on two different occasions. Heard the Songtowers at a friends and I own DM's CAOW1's that he personally built for me with upgraded Hiquphon OW2s tweets (Pics on Home Theater Shack thread under "Dennis Murphy's Speaker Company'.

Yeah, ADTG, review.....review.....REEEEEEVIEW!!!!!

WoodsArt -- and YES, we all want that Review from you on your New Phil 2's as well, since ADTG is out still another few weeks for his Phil 3's.

 

[DenPureSound]

F3 and F10 for Phil 2 and Phil 3's

From the Salk web site:

"The Veracity HT3 is essentially ruler-flat from 34Hz to 25,000Hz, with an F3 of 29Hz and an F10 of 23Hz. It delivers crystal-clear transparency on the top end, extremely accurate midrange capable of resolving minute details in the source recording and, at the same time, delivers deep, musical bass...all with inaudible levels of distortion."

Knowing the PH3's are +/-2dB from 25Hz. - 20kHz., do we know what the F3 and F10 = _____ Hz.?

What do you think Ruler-Flat is Equal to (+/- ___? dB)? Shows +/- 1.5dB for Ruler Flat.

I do not care about > 20kHz. since the most a human might hear on an average is maybe 16-17kHz. and in my case down <10kHz. or so IMHO.

 

[GranteedEV]

Knowing the PH3's are +/-2dB from 25Hz. - 20kHz., do we know what the F3 and F10 = _____ Hz.?

anechoically, based on this:

F3 is close to 25hz and F10 is close to 19hz

But realistically, in a real room, there's no real telling what the actual results are unless you measure them yourself. You could get 5 to 10db of lift at 20hz. You could have a 10db dip between 40hz to 60hz too. There's really no telling what will happen in-room.

 

[woodsart]

WoodsArt -- and YES, we all want that Review from you on your New Phil 2's as well, since ADTG is out still another few weeks for his Phil 3's.

Well, I have to wait for the enclosures to arrive, before Dennis can assemble and call me to pick them up. He is about 2.5 hours away.

R

 

[DenPureSound]

Well, I have to wait for the enclosures to arrive, before Dennis can assemble and call me to pick them up. He is about 2.5 hours away.

R

I see, your getting Very EXCITED there.

Henceforth, knowing nothing else here, your REVIEW of the PH2's will be forthcoming first vs. ADTG's on the PH3's.

But GRANT has enough Engr. knowledge now to give us all a Review... your the Man GRANT !!