mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Now he is threatening Europe with tariffs. Two things can happen: we make it here instead and it costs more or we buy it with the tariffs and it costs more. Either he has something up his sleeve or he is a complete moron. Since I don't think he is smart enough to have some master plan, it is clear which of those two it is.
Well, we do have a good idea of his mental capacity. ;) :D What's worse than a moron?
 
Eppie

Eppie

Audioholic Ninja
The portion regarding trade with Canada has been circulating on the web. Here is the complete video from the Reagan Library. Republicans could use a lesson from a former president.

President Reagan's Radio Address on Free and Fair Trade on April 25, 1987
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
The portion regarding trade with Canada has been circulating on the web. Here is the complete video from the Reagan Library. Republicans could use a lesson from a former president.

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I think you want and expect too much from them. They are incapable to listen to anyone except their ardent followers and those who are too scared to listen.
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
The portion regarding trade with Canada has been circulating on the web. Here is the complete video from the Reagan Library. Republicans could use a lesson from a former president.

President Reagan's Radio Address on Free and Fair Trade on April 25, 1987
Today President Reagan would be called a RINO.
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
I think what many folks miss is the Canadian and European attitutes are quite different than American. Canadians and Europeans will not only put in retaliatory tariffs, they will completely boycott products. They are more used to living with less and will have no problem prioritizing local products. Americans on the other hand are used to pure consumerism and buying what they want when they want, boycotts would prove much harder to implement. Not to mention that fighting everyone at once, probably isn’t wise. A trade war with just China would likely end up in favor of the U.S. given where things stood a couple months ago, but now and initiating trade wars with various countries at the same time probably won’t end well.
 
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trochetier

Full Audioholic
and JFK would be a damn conservative , the world is truly upside down ......
JFK - Ask not what the country can do for you but what you can do for the country.

Trump - Ask not what I can do for the country but how many ways I can screw the country.
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Warlord
Helps to know what specifically to tariff in order for America to get a better deal. Is lumber, metal, and champagne what's gonna MAGA? Feels like Trump is tariffing for leverage. As someone said it started with the border, fentanyl, and eggs. Well tariff eggs as an example then. Next it will be cars cause lets be honest we're losing in the car market. So you have to get Greenland, Panama Canal etc cause cars and electronics are better made in the east. So a lot of this I believe is tipping the balance towards us to ward off the encroachment of China. The line of BS though is by bringing jobs and industry back home well that will somehow make us more prosperous. Prosperous from the encroachment of China certainly, but with our higher standard of living well how does that stimulate increased consumption?

In other words, it feels to me like we'd have to be this nation of less consumption, and how that works with America First and economic might I'm not sure.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Now he is threatening Europe with tariffs. Two things can happen: we make it here instead and it costs more or we buy it with the tariffs and it costs more. Either he has something up his sleeve or he is a complete moron. Since I don't think he is smart enough to have some master plan, it is clear which of those two it is.
If having more US people working is the goal, that's not a bad thing in general terms, but the means of making that happen, jeez!
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
JFK - Ask not what the country can do for you but what you can do for the country.

Trump - Ask not what I can do for the country but how many ways I can screw the country.
I would bet that if a politician used that JFK quote with a live audience, the crowd would say "SCREW YOU" because nobody gives a rat's ass about the country, they just want for themselves. They want to complain about everything, but not lift a finger to do anything.
 
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Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Spartan
I would bet that if a politician used that JFK quote with a live audience, the crowd would say "SCREW YOU" because nobody gives a rat's ass about the country, they just want for themselves. They want to complain about evreything, but not lift a finger to do anything.
all depends.......location, location ;)
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Helps to know what specifically to tariff in order for America to get a better deal. Is lumber, metal, and champagne what's gonna MAGA? Feels like Trump is tariffing for leverage. As someone said it started with the border, fentanyl, and eggs. Well tariff eggs as an example then. Next it will be cars cause lets be honest we're losing in the car market. So you have to get Greenland, Panama Canal etc cause cars and electronics are better made in the east. So a lot of this I believe is tipping the balance towards us to ward off the encroachment of China. The line of BS though is by bringing jobs and industry back home well that will somehow make us more prosperous. Prosperous from the encroachment of China certainly, but with our higher standard of living well how does that stimulate increased consumption?

In other words, it feels to me like we'd have to be this nation of less consumption, and how that works with America First and economic might I'm not sure.
US car makers are losing, but they have been since the late- '60s. The US imposed tariffs, so the foreign automakers build plants in the US, so they could beat us on our own soil and not have to pay so much by bringing in completed cars, just parts and assemblies.

There's nothing wrong with electronics made here, it's just too GD expensive. The US makes a helluva lot of electronics, just not as much in the AV world unless it's much more expensive and cork sniffy. We still have aerospace, bio-medical and other specialty stuff but with schools teaching that Common Core bullshyte, those kids probably aren't going into a technical field. One of the major problems, to me, is the lack of interest in kids, for areas that are useful when they want to go to school to be 'fulfilled as humans'- when I talk to younger students, what I hear is not interest in their future and this isn't me being Abe Simpson yelling at a cloud.

While I was driving home from the grocery store, I saw two kids sitting on a sidewalk, completely blocking it- they weren't little kids, I would guess that they were at least 12 years old. Why do they need to sit on a sidewalk? Why can't they stand, or go across the street to the benches?

If I had a kid and they showed any interest in things that are mechanical and electrical/electronic, I would find out if they're interested in being a car mechanic- the job postings on Zip Recruiter and some others show starting pay of $50/hour PLUS a sign-on bonus. One place is offering $85K-140K. OTOH, the emission requirements are making it harder to service cars, even for the people who do it as a living. Boats are now using throttle/shift/steering by wire- how many of the average boat mechanics, do you think, can service THAT stuff? When I went to MasterCraft boat service training in '98, we had to use a Bosch-style relay to switch between a light and bilge blower and some of the older mechanics had absolutely no idea what to do, even though the diagram for wiring it was molded into the shell.

I'm tired of seeing "My administration created 250,000 jobs last quarter". Bullshyte! The administration created NOTHING! Anyone starting most new jobs are filling vacancies created by people being sent home when the government over-reacted after COVID hit and the replacements are often far from qualified.

I like the fact that schools are getting kids into STEM, but I would like to hear how they present it as a way toward the future.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
all depends.......location, location ;)
Definitely. I wonder how many of the protesters over the last years give a crap about doing anything, aside from protesting and staying in school to study something that will never be used to get a job or getting several gig jobs. There's a big trend where 20-35 year olds are living with their parents, have no interest in driving and seeming to have lost interest in becoming independent. I wonder if it's due to what their parents taught them, what they learned n school or if it's due to social media.

I think someone needs to poll them - Lyft/Uber drivers, baristas, dog walkers/sitters, minimum wage fast food workers and others who decided to work for themselves if they're saving any money and planning for retirement/later years, or if they expect the government to care for them. Minimum wage was never supposed to be used for a career-long income.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
JFK - Ask not what the country can do for you but what you can do for the country.

Trump - Ask not what I can do for the country but how many ways I can screw the country.
He would also ask 'what you can do for me.' ;)
 
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dlaloum

Senior Audioholic
Multiple parties would confuse people and when you add confusion to apathy, it won't go well. It also dilutes the ability of the main parties to do anything meaningful if the 3rd party is a bunch of charismatic wingnuts. Ex., the Green Party sends candidates to the campaign trail every time we have an election and they often have some OK ideas, but they always go off the rails at some point- I can't imagine how bad it would be if one of them were to be elected.

We need to end lobbying and impose term limits, but the quality of candidates is sure to turn to absolute crap- the way it is now, the positions are attractive because of the wealth that will result, but with no chance of that, who's giong to want to be elected?

Compromise has become a sign of weakness.
It is worth pointing out that many countries all over the world thrive with so called "minority" governments, rather than a 2 party system...

Denmark hasn't had any government that hasn't been a coalition since the early 20th century, Australia has had a number of recent coalition (minority) governments, including the main "conservative" party which has been a coalition of the Australian Liberal party (our nearest equivalent to the GOP) and the "National / Country" party.

Look around the world, and you will find that the most optimistic examples of democracy, frequently involve governments by coalitions which require negotiation for legislature to proceed - and the absence of a single party dominating the government and being able to push whatever it wants through the legislature, has in fact proved to be a positive thing, not a negative one!
 

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