This is all Benjamin Franklin's Fault

[TLS Guy]

Benjamin Franklin was far too enamoured with the French. So we ended up with a lousy rigid constitution, which I no longer support. I have not stood or recited the Pledge of Allegiance for years, and now regard it as a lousy document.

Our current troubles can be laid right at the door of the American Constitution. ALL rigid constitutions fail, and the US constitution is about to. I hope it is not too violent. But judging by what is happening in the Twin Cities right now, I can be far from certain of that. There is a grave danger of Civil War I think, and it could well start here in Minnesota.

Parliamentary democracies are much more endring. Henry Plantagenet was a really smart man.

 

[Dude#1279435]

I imagine saying America is a Republic doesn't resonate the way saying it's a democracy does. It would be interesting to hear what the founders would have said about Trump. Might get some good philosophical takes.

 

[highfigh]

Benjamin Franklin was far too enamoured with the French. So we ended up with a lousy rigid constitution, which I no longer support. I have not stood or recited the Pledge of Allegiance for years, and now regard it as a lousy document.

Our current troubles can be laid right at the door of the American Constitution. ALL rigid constitutions fail, and the US constitution is about to. I hope it is not too violent. But judging by what is happening in the Twin Cities right now, I can be far from certain of that. There is a grave danger of Civil War I think, and it could well start here in Minnesota.

Parliamentary democracies are much more endring. Henry Plantagenet was a really smart man.

So the US should be like England right now? That looks far worse than the US, to me.

Franklin went to the French because the colonists needed a strong ally and since France & England were frequently fighting and because they were willing to loan money (at least), it was a good plan to strengthen the capabilities.

If a parlaimentary democracy is so good, why did you come to the US?

 

[3db]

The US Constitution has a couple of fatal flaws with it. The first one being, one cannot prosecute a person while they are the President. WTF?? Really? Why should a person regardless of position be exempt from prosecution from laws that they have broken. That creates an artificial divide or class if you will. Its clearly f?cked.

The second one being "We have a right to bear arms" . Its outdated and has become a joke in the eye's of the world, a much deserved target of ridicule for other nations. The current POS and his top echelon are tyrants, breaking international law, (see Venezuela), restricting the rights and freedoms of peoples that voted against the current federal leadership, and deporting veterans out of the US because of their ethnicity. The joke is that the only arms being raised is to rob and murder one another and have ICE agents kill innocent people and not to over throw a tyrannical government which is currently governing the US.

The US under Trump and the current Republicans has become a bad joke and a sour taste on the international stage. Internally, its becoming even more sour and I truly fear that a civil war breaks out in the US. I believe that its the only way for the US to change their constitution to prevent another Trump from happening again. I pray for the US to change the constitution peacefully but I'm afraid that will never happen and thus a lot of innocent people will lose their lives. The phrase in the constitution "we the people" has morphed to "we the people with money, power, and self serving agendas" .

 

[3db]

So the US should be like England right now? That looks far worse than the US, to me.

Franklin went to the French because the colonists needed a strong ally and since France & England were frequently fighting and because they were willing to loan money (at least), it was a good plan to strengthen the capabilities.

If a parlaimentary democracy is so good, why did you come to the US?

What's wrong with parliamentary democracy?

 

[3db]

Benjamin Franklin was far too enamoured with the French. So we ended up with a lousy rigid constitution, which I no longer support. I have not stood or recited the Pledge of Allegiance for years, and now regard it as a lousy document.

Our current troubles can be laid right at the door of the American Constitution. ALL rigid constitutions fail, and the US constitution is about to. I hope it is not too violent. But judging by what is happening in the Twin Cities right now, I can be far from certain of that. There is a grave danger of Civil War I think, and it could well start here in Minnesota.

Parliamentary democracies are much more endring. Henry Plantagenet was a really smart man.

No its not Ben's fault. Its the fault of the people that came afterwards with their greed and self serving agendas that are to blame.

 

[highfigh]

What's wrong with parliamentary democracy?

In theory, nothing but as it's being practiced in England, a lot.

 

[highfigh]

The US Constitution has a couple of fatal flaws with it. The first one being, one cannot prosecute a person while they are the President. WTF?? Really? Why should a person regardless of position be exempt from prosecution from laws that they have broken. That creates an artificial divide or class if you will. Its clearly f?cked.

The second one being "We have a right to bear arms" . Its outdated and has become a joke in the eye's of the world, a much deserved target of ridicule for other nations. The current POS and his top echelon are tyrants, breaking international law, (see Venezuela), restricting the rights and freedoms of peoples that voted against the current federal leadership, and deporting veterans out of the US because of their ethnicity. The joke is that the only arms being raised is to rob and murder one another and have ICE agents kill innocent people and not to over throw a tyrannical government which is currently governing the US.

The US under Trump and the current Republicans has become a bad joke and a sour taste on the international stage. Internally, its becoming even more sour and I truly fear that a civil war breaks out in the US. I believe that its the only way for the US to change their constitution to prevent another Trump from happening again. I pray for the US to change the constitution peacefully but I'm afraid that will never happen and thus a lot of innocent people will lose their lives. The phrase in the constitution "we the people" has morphed to "we the people with money, power, and self serving agendas" .

If the apathetic, ignorant and those who like to resort to violence physically stay out of the conversation, changes could happen but with the hoard of turds in Congress, it will take forever. How long since term limits were first mentioned and that still hasn't happened. Government position isn't supposed to be a career.

 

[ski2xblack]

The problem is not the Constitution. It's stupidity. "Against stupidity the very Gods fight in vain."

The checks and balances built into the constitution, the very things designed to keep tyranny at bay, have been undermined by one party rule. Among those in power we have an alarming proliferation of bandits with overtones of stupidity, and among those not in power an equally alarming growth in the number of helpless individuals. This change in composition of the non-stupid population invariably strengthens the destructive power of the stupid portion of society and makes decline a certainty.

This applies in parliamentary governments too. Look at the UK, where ill advised hate speech laws have been twisted into defacto blasphemy laws leading to people doing hard time for mean tweets. Utterly ridiculous. At least the US Constitution offers protection from such lunacy.

The ideals enshrined in the constitution will endure, if we let them. Secular liberalism is worth preserving and defending when necessary. Giving up because some MAGA Cromwells or revolutionary woke Robespierres make a temporary mess of things would be a tragic mistake.

I think I'm going to go crank up Guns of Brixton by the Clash and listen really loud, and you should too, Dr. Mark.

 

[TLS Guy]

In theory, nothing but as it's being practiced in England, a lot.

I disagree. I think it continuing to keep a civil society by and large and are in better shape then the US and especially the French, who have yet another constitutional crisis. Actually, I think the US does have a constitutional crisis which people are wilfully refusing to acknowledge. If you were in Minnesota right now, you would not disagree that there is a serious constitutional crisis right now. The schools have had to shut, and my grandchildren are terrified. This incident happened right outside one of my granddaughter's schools, and that was close to the Ascension school shooting, where one of her friends was shot. Don't be in denial, there are massive problems in the US right now, and our Constitution is a major root cause of it.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I disagree. I think it continuing to keep a civil society by and large and are in better shape then the US and especially the French, who have yet another constitutional crisis. Actually, I think the US does have a constitutional crisis which people are wilfully refusing to acknowledge. If you were in Minnesota right now, you would not disagree that there is a serious constitutional crisis right now. The schools have had to shut, and my grandchildren are terrified. This incident happened right outside one of my granddaughter's schools, and that was close to the Ascension school shooting, where one of her friends was shot. Don't be in denial, there are massive problems in the US right now, and our Constitution is a major root cause of it.

Perhaps SCOTUS has a greater part of the blame, especially when some look at ancient history how to interpret the constitution. Wonder when they will take a biblical take on issues.

 

[highfigh]

I disagree. I think it continuing to keep a civil society by and large and are in better shape then the US and especially the French, who have yet another constitutional crisis. Actually, I think the US does have a constitutional crisis which people are wilfully refusing to acknowledge. If you were in Minnesota right now, you would not disagree that there is a serious constitutional crisis right now. The schools have had to shut, and my grandchildren are terrified. This incident happened right outside one of my granddaughter's schools, and that was close to the Ascension school shooting, where one of her friends was shot. Don't be in denial, there are massive problems in the US right now, and our Constitution is a major root cause of it.

I'm not seeing much that would be described as 'civil'. Do you agree that GB should pay for immigrant lodging in hotels (of which I have seen that 34 were burned in the last week to ten days) and leaving UK citizens on the streets & losing benefits? That sounds like Mamdani's plan and IMO, he should never have been elected.

You need to look at the reason anything happened between protestors and ICE. The protects aren't absolutely necessary and honestly, the protestors whould have known not to do this crap outside of a school. Don't bother saying "They wanted to show the kids how the 1st Amendment works"- that's BS, they should have found a place that's not near a school or businesses and we all know how well protests go in MPLS- too reactive and too many going off the rails. Also, don't mention George Floyd- he's not a martyr and he was far from a decent person. The ME said he didn't know how Floyd was alive, considering the lethal amounts and types of drugs in his system. If he could yell "I can't breathe!", he was clearly breathing.

What part of "STOP!" should result in someone trying to drive off when ANYONE is so close to the vehicle?

Bad decisions come with protests, more and more- what the media and city leaders call 'peaceful protests' cost billions of dollars in damage EVERY year. THAT's not peaceful and the violence isn't laways caused by Law Enforcement- peaceful protestors shouldn't be carrying fireworks, rocks & bottles, sticks & clubs and other weapons.

People who have no control over their minds and actions are the problem, at all levels. The way Minnesota is being run, I wouldn't want to go there- I liked it when I was there before, but people werent losing their minds. I saw a post on Next Door about a planned protest 2 miles West of my house, at a busy intersection near a mall. Yeah, that will definitely change some minds- if they get in the way of traffic and make people late for anything, they should expect pushback.

There's protesting and there's rioting- they need to decide what they want to do because rioting IS NOT tolerable.

Have you seen that the Police were told to back off, then went on strike in and around London? I don't know how Starmer can sleep when he knows that people are as PO'd as they are AT him and the whole situation.

 

[Steve81]

Also, don't mention George Floyd- he's not a martyr and he was far from a decent person. The ME said he didn't know how Floyd was alive, considering the lethal amounts and types of drugs in his system. If he could yell "I can't breathe!", he was clearly breathing.

Yup, he deserved to die for a counterfeit bill. Not that this is news, but there’s a reason you’re on my poop list, and it’s because you’re a racist POS. Prove me wrong. Or be gone, permanently.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Also, don't mention George Floyd- he's not a martyr and he was far from a decent person. The ME said he didn't know how Floyd was alive, considering the lethal amounts and types of drugs in his system. If he could yell "I can't breathe!", he was clearly breathing.

Wow. If I remember right I linked the Floyd video, and if my guess is correct you watched the first half of the video while ignoring the second half, the part where Floyd was handcuffed behind his back, laying on his stomach, and Chauvin kneeling on his neck for nine minutes. The coroner determined, despite the drug intake, that Floyd died due to asphyxiation. I remember watching the video and like Floyd was saying he couldn't breath, and than after he wasn't responsive anymore the guy watching the whole event said man you killed him.