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[William Lemmerhirt]

If he's able to add a second sub later that means he could do it now. While in your opinion the F12 he chose might be a better sub, which is debatable, there is no way that single sub is better than two comparable SVS subs. Also, with that promo code, he could basically got two for almost the price of one.

if he can’t measure to find out the best placement, adding a second sub is a shot in the dark. And if he’s only optimizing for a single seat, a second sub could be superfluous. He would definitely gain spl potential, there’s no way to know without measuring, and it could even have a negative impact. The main reason for two is smoothing FR. So yeah, it’s possible a single better sub can be better than two decent ones.

I prefer sealed. No such thing as port chuffing with sealed. Also, ported subs are space eaters.

Ported subs are space eaters. But if you have space who cares? They outperform sealed every time. And chuffing? Complete exaggeration perpetuated by idiots who use the EOT intro for testing. Not an issue in almost every single case.

He could have got two for almost the price of one. It makes no sense for him to purchase a single sub.

Meh…

 

[Kingnoob]

if he can’t measure to find out the best placement, adding a second sub is a shot in the dark. And if he’s only optimizing for a single seat, a second sub could be superfluous. He would definitely gain spl potential, there’s no way to know without measuring, and it could even have a negative impact. The main reason for two is smoothing FR. So yeah, it’s possible a single better sub can be better than two decent ones.


Ported subs are space eaters. But if you have space who cares? They outperform sealed every time. And chuffing? Complete exaggeration perpetuated by idiots who use the EOT intro for testing. Not an issue in almost every single case.


Meh…

I’d expect the duel subs to obliterate a single F12-400 12” sealed . But as too sound quality wise , it depends on room and tuning. Either way op chose F12-400 so he’s about to see. Looks good says it doesn’t go above 100hz Crossover range (Low pass)if that means anything?

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

I’d expect the duel subs to obliterate a single F12-400 12” sealed . But as too sound quality wise , it depends on room and tuning. Either way op chose F12-400 so he’s about to see. Looks good says it doesn’t go above 100hz Crossover range (Low pass)if that means anything?

Obliterate in which way? Spl? Yes the potential for more spl is there, so maybe 3-4db. But if there are phase cancellations then no. They won’t “obliterate”. An FV18 would obliterate four of either of these subs but so what? Randomly placing subs is like wiping your a55 before you shitt.

 

[Auditor55]

Obliterate in which way? Spl? Yes the potential for more spl is there, so maybe 3-4db. But if there are phase cancellations then no. They won’t “obliterate”. An FV18 would obliterate four of either of these subs but so what? Randomly placing subs is like wiping your a55 before you shitt.

It simply does not make sense to purchase one sub when you can get two for almost the same price.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

It simply does not make sense to purchase one sub when you can get two for almost the same price.

Why?

 

[Auditor55]

Why?

It's way more bang for the buck.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

It's way more bang for the buck.

In what way? That’s such a blanket statement.

 

[Kingnoob]

It's way more bang for the buck.

Yep , I’m also wondering why hsu says 2 of there subs is 4x the output of 1.

 

[Auditor55]

In what way?

F12-400 $899

Two SVS SB 2000 (with the discount the poster cited) $999

You get two for close to the price of the Rythmik subs. Who wouldn't do that, not to mention the benefits that come with the use of multiple subs.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Yep , I’m also wondering why hsu says 2 of there subs is 4x the output of 1.

Can you show where they said that?

They’re probably comparing ported to sealed. In that case yes, below about 35hz ported will have more output and by the time you get to 20hz it will usually be about four times the output.

 

[Kingnoob]

Can you show where they said that?

They’re probably comparing ported to sealed. In that case yes, below about 35hz ported will have more output and by the time you get to 20hz it will usually be about four times the output.

On duel drive it says up to 4x , but cmon makes no sense.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

F12-400 $899

Two SVS SB 2000 (with the discount the poster cited) $999

You get two for close to the price of the Rythmik subs. Who wouldn't do that, not to mention the benefits that come with the use of multiple subs.

You’re ignoring my earlier points. Just because you have two subs doesn’t mean it’s better. I am a fan of and use multiple subs(3 actually), but you can’t just drop them in the room. By doing that, without measuring, the FR can actually be WORSE. AND, if you are only calibrating for one seat(which it seems) a single can absolutely provide a great smooth response.
The point is that the “benefits” of multiple subs are NOT automatic. It takes work, and measurements.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

On duel drive it says up to 4x , but cmon makes no sense.

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Well there’s no context but I’ll take a stab.
A second identical sub can add 6db total output. 3db output is considered a doubling of output, So, a dual(not duel) drive system that’s capable of 6db more is quadrupling.
Hows that?

 

[Kingnoob]

Well there’s no context but I’ll take a stab.
A second identical sub can add 6db total output. 3db output is considered a doubling of output, So, a dual(not duel) drive system that’s capable of 6db more is quadrupling.
Hows that?

Yeah it doesn’t add up I also thought second sub added 3-6db but I wasn’t sure how much been so long since I checked.
Why I asked you because to just didn’t add up, and I’m not certain how duels /multiples stack up but 4x seemed a bit high.
either a sales trick or someone was bad at math ?

 

[lovinthehd]

Yeah it doesn’t add up I also thought second sub added 3-6db but I wasn’t sure how much been so long since I checked.
either a sales trick or someone was bad at math ?

You might be conflating spl and output as William mentioned...you measure both in dB but doesn't represent the same thing.

 

[Auditor55]

You’re ignoring my earlier points. Just because you have two subs doesn’t mean it’s better. I am a fan of and use multiple subs(3 actually), but you can’t just drop them in the room. By doing that, without measuring, the FR can actually be WORSE. AND, if you are only calibrating for one seat(which it seems) a single can absolutely provide a great smooth response.
The point is that the “benefits” of multiple subs are NOT automatic. It takes work, and measurements.

If you could purchase two subs for the price of one would you do it? Also. there is nothing that prevents him from doing measurements.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Yeah it doesn’t add up I also thought second sub added 3-6db but I wasn’t sure how much been so long since I checked.
Why I asked you because to just didn’t add up, and I’m not certain how duels /multiples stack up but 4x seemed a bit high.
either a sales trick or someone was bad at math ?

Lol. I’m pretty sure the good dr shoe can do math.

 

[Kingnoob]

Lol. I’m pretty sure the good dr shoe can do math.

Yeah I guess it’s not as powerful as 4 of the same subs how I thought it was worded just so confusing . It’s up to max 4x power of 1, that’s if they are both in perfect spots also and calibrated .

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

If you could purchase two subs for the price of one would you do it? Also. there is nothing that prevents him from doing measurements.

Depends on the two subs. If the only two were an sb2000 or an f12. No, I’d buy the f12, and save for another. Why does he HAVE to get two now?
I’ve used an sb2k. It’s fine, but it’s not that great.

You’re right. Nothing is saying he can’t do measurements, but the way your presenting is that two are always better than one. I don’t believe that’s the case. EVERY situation is different. And AGAIN! You can’t just put two in and be done.

 

[lovinthehd]

Depends on the two subs. If the only two were an sb2000 or an f12. No, I’d buy the f12, and save for another. Why does he HAVE to get two now?
I’ve used an sb2k. It’s fine, but it’s not that great.

You’re right. Nothing is saying he can’t do measurements, but the way your presenting is that two are always better than one. I don’t believe that’s the case. EVERY situation is different. And AGAIN! You can’t just put two in and be done.

Why would the F12 be particularly different/better than the SB2000?