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[William Lemmerhirt]

Why would the F12 be particularly different/better than the SB2000?

Well, mostly because it’s about 30% larger, and has better extension. I would equate that to more efficiency and output capability. The Rythmik subs I’ve encountered have been fantastic so there’s that too. I also owned an sb2000. Nice little sub, but not doing backflips over it. Lol.

 

[3db]

Update. Bit the "make a decision" bullet just purchased. single f12 to go with the Sierra 2's. As others have said I can opt for a second one later. Tough choice, relieved it's over. Commitment feels good. Ha!

I prefer sealed. No such thing as port chuffing with sealed. Also, ported subs are space eaters.

Five out my six subs are ported and there is no chuffing whatsoever. If they chuff, its an indication of poor placement and over driving.

 

[3db]

It simply does not make sense to purchase one sub when you can get two for almost the same price.

Do you have reading comprehension problems? He may not be able to place two subs in his new home that would smooth out frequency response (BECAUSE HIS SPACE IS SO SMALL) so he got one Rythmik thatt out performs one SVS.

 

[Auditor55]

Do you have reading comprehension problems? He may not be able to place two subs in his new home that would smooth out frequency response (BECAUSE HIS SPACE IS SO SMALL) so he got one Rythmik thatt out performs one SVS.

"redrider said:
Update. Bit the "make a decision" bullet just purchased. single f12 to go with the Sierra 2's. As others have said I can opt for a second one later. Tough choice, relieved it's over."


So how then would he be able to add a second sub later if he's so constricted by the size of his room? Even if that was the case, purchasing two subs for basically the same price is better bang for the buck.

 

[Kingnoob]

So how then would he add a second sub later?

Hopefully that rythmic is a beast, I’d still take the svs deal so I had a sub for another room or extra .
I guess pro models are better then pb2000 but svs is expensive. rythmic I like the designs better, although I’ve heard neither . Bestbuy doesn’t even have svs or a sound room here .

 

[Auditor55]

Five out my six subs are ported and there is no chuffing whatsoever. If they chuff, its an indication of poor placement and over driving.

Chuffing doesn't have anything to do with placement. With being said, I prefer sealed primarily because of size, I don't necessarily have a problem with ported subs except they tend to be really large.

 

[Auditor55]

Hopefully that rythmic is a beast, I’d still take the svs deal so I had a sub for another room or extra .
I guess pro models are better then pb2000 but svs is expensive. rythmic I like the designs better, although I’ve heard neither . Bestbuy doesn’t even have svs or a sound room here .

Yes, the Rythmik subs are probably really good, I don't know because I don't have one. With that being said, the SVS SB 2000s are no slouches especially when you can get two.

 

[Auditor55]

Well, mostly because it’s about 30% larger, and has better extension. I would equate that to more efficiency and output capability. The Rythmik subs I’ve encountered have been fantastic so there’s that too. I also owned an sb2000. Nice little sub, but not doing backflips over it. Lol.

Again, so he got a single sub that's 30% larger and he might add a second one later and he's supposedly complaining about not having enough space.

You claim to have owned a single sub sb2000, we're talking about two.

 

[3db]

Chuffing doesn't have anything to do with placement. With being said, I prefer sealed primarily because of size, I don't necessarily have a problem with ported subs except they tend to be really large.

Chuffing is indirectly caused by improper placement. I'll let you sit and figure that one out for awhile.

 

[Auditor55]

Chuffing is indirectly caused by improper placement. I'll let you sit and figure that one out for awhile.

Please explain, it's possible I'm overlooking something. I've read that port chuffing occurs when the sub is driven beyond where it's been tuned.

 

[lovinthehd]

Chuffing can be just exceeding the limits of the design....just a tuning point doesn't mean you've got all the potential for chuffing covered.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

It’s basically when the air speed velocity exceeds the ports ability to pass the air without causing wind noise from compressing the airspace in the port.
Chuffing IF present, is almost always masked by the rest of the soundtrack. Meatheads that blast the 10hz square wave in the EOT intro which has no other real sounds to cover it up, can expose chuffing. In practice it’s not a problem, and any subwoofer with a port is susceptible, but it takes tons of excursion. I only use ported subs, and have never heard any chuffing. People that run single ported subs extremely hot can encounter this too. Imo, that’s more operator error than design flaw. Sealed subs take many times more power and excursion to reproduce deep bass, and that ALWAYS comes with distortion, and they still can’t produce the same output. So imo, the balance leans towards ported.
Ok, back on the main road…

 

[3db]

Please explain, it's possible I'm overlooking something. I've read that port chuffing occurs when the sub is driven beyond where it's been tuned.

And if you place the sub that is near or at a null with respecting to the listener position, many would just dial up the output on the sub to try and get the bass and over drive the sub. Its an indirect relationship.

 

[Auditor55]

It’s basically when the air speed velocity exceeds the ports ability to pass the air without causing wind noise from compressing the airspace in the port.
Chuffing IF present, is almost always masked by the rest of the soundtrack. Meatheads that blast the 10hz square wave in the EOT intro which has no other real sounds to cover it up, can expose chuffing. In practice it’s not a problem, and any subwoofer with a port is susceptible, but it takes tons of excursion. I only use ported subs, and have never heard any chuffing. People that run single ported subs extremely hot can encounter this too. Imo, that’s more operator error than design flaw. Sealed subs take many times more power and excursion to reproduce deep bass, and that ALWAYS comes with distortion, and they still can’t produce the same output. So imo, the balance leans towards ported.
Ok, back on the main road…

Well, some of the very best subwoofers are sealed. Also, the output is a matter of preference, not everyone is looking to move the foundation of their homes with bass. Sealed subs can deliver great bass without eating up a lot of space in your living, plus no port chuffing.

 

[Auditor55]

And if you place the sub that is near or at a null with respecting to the listener position, many would just dial up the output on the sub to try and get the bass and over drive the sub. Its an indirect relationship.

They should add more subs to deal with nulls.

 

[3db]

They should add more subs to deal with nulls.

Or as a minimum change the sub's location.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Well, some of the very best subwoofers are sealed. Also, the output is a matter of preference, not everyone is looking to move the foundation of their homes with bass. Sealed subs can deliver great bass without eating up a lot of space in your living, plus no port chuffing.

Well as usual you missed the point.

 

[Kingnoob]

Again, so he got a single sub that's 30% larger and he might add a second one later and he's supposedly complaining about not having enough space.

You claim to have owned a single sub sb2000, we're talking about two.

Is the rythmic twice or 30% more the output of two sb2000?? I’ve not heard either brand but maybe rythmic was a good choice if it’s superior.
otherwise ehh , it’s sealed a plus.

 

[Auditor55]

Is the rythmic twice or 30% more the output of two sb2000?? I’ve not heard either brand but maybe rythmic was a good choice if it’s superior.
otherwise ehh , it’s sealed a plus.

The gentleman who started this thread already indicated that he isn't that concerned with output. If you want good bass, multiple subs are almost always better.

 

[dalotissac]

Sub Quagmire. My retirement home is far less than ideal so headroom is an F. Open space is 600 sq ft and system is at opposing wall. I'm an overacheiving Nox Vidmate VLC unrealistic best bang for the buck auidoholic since the 70's. Just recieved LR&C used Ascend Sierra 2's. Already own Outlaw Audio 5000 amp and 975 pre amp w/[4k switcher. LG OLED TV. I'm stuck between 1 ea.Rythmik F12 400 or 2 SVS SB 2000's

he'll happily accept a donation from you to pay for the second subwoofer.