Another low for our good friend Tucker Carlson

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-Carlson claimed in 2021 that "there was no physical evidence that George Floyd was murdered by a cop" and "the autopsy showed that George Floyd almost certainly died of a drug overdose," even though two autopsies found that Floyd died from homicide caused by former police officer Derek Chauvin's kneeling on his neck for more than eight minutes. Floyd had drugs in his system when he died, but medical professionals determined this did not cause his death.[306][307][308]

After jurors found Chauvin guilty of murder, Carlson argued that they were threatened into doing so by Black Lives Matter protests rather than being swayed by witness testimony or visceral video of the killing of Floyd. He characterized the protests as "nearly a year of burning and looting and murder by BLM"

-In call-in segments Carlson made from 2006 to 2009 on the radio show Bubba the Love Sponge, Carlson said Iraq was not worth invading because it was a country made up of "semi-literate primitive monkeys" who "don't use toilet paper or forks".

-Ahead of the 2020 election, in September, Carlson told viewers that Democrats were promoting mail-in voting to create "uncertainty over the outcome of the election, so they can manipulate the results".[350] After Joe Biden won the election in November, Carlson raised false allegations of fraud in the election.[351][352][353][354] On his show, he mentioned the names of purportedly dead individuals who voted in Georgia; investigative reporting subsequently found that some of the individuals whom he claimed to be dead were in fact alive. Carlson apologized on his show for the error.[355]

-2021 storming of the U.S. Capitol
In February 2021, after attorney general nominee Merrick Garland pledged at his confirmation hearing to supervise the prosecution of "white supremacists and others" involved in the storming of the U.S. Capitol, Carlson alleged, "There's no evidence that white supremacists were responsible for what happened on January 6th. That's a lie."[361] PolitiFact rated Carlson's claim false, because several rioters had known ties to white supremacist groups, according to court records and congressional testimony by law enforcement leaders, and video and photos from the incident showed white supremacist symbols prominently displayed.[362][363] Philip Bump of The Washington Post wrote in an analysis that Carlson was blurring the lines between "being involved" and "being responsible for" to create a strawman in an effort to "undercut the public understanding of what happened and, by extension, to soften the implications for Trump and his supporters".[364]

In June 2021, Carlson promoted a conspiracy theory alleging that the Capitol storming was a false flag FBI operation intended to "suppress political dissent".[28][365][366] He alleged that unindicted co-conspirators in rioters' indictments were government agents, saying, "FBI operatives were organizing the attack on the Capitol on January 6, according to government documents".[367][28] Legal experts said Carlson's claim was unfounded because prosecutors cannot describe an undercover agent as an unindicted co-conspirator.[28][368][369] One of the unindicted co-conspirators was readily identifiable as Stewart Rhodes, founder and leader of Oath Keepers, a far-right anti-government militia; another unindicted co-conspirator was likely the wife of an indicted alleged conspirator.[28][368][370] Carlson's guest, Darren Beattie of Revolver News, whose writing the segment was primarily based on, had been fired as a Trump speechwriter in 2018 after CNN asked the White House about his attendance at a gathering of white nationalists.[28][368] Carlson also said Russian president Vladimir Putin raised "fair questions" when Putin mentioned the fatal police shooting of a rioter inside the Capitol while denying involvement in the poisoning of a Russian politician.[371][372] Republican House members Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene quickly embraced Carlson's story about FBI involvement in the Capitol attack, and Republican congressman Paul Gosar entered the Revolver News story into the Congressional Record during a House Oversight Committee hearing.[365]

In response to Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mark Milley's defense of studying critical race theory "to understand white rage" as it concerns the storming, Carlson said, "Hard to believe that man wears a uniform. ... He's not just a pig, he's stupid!"[373]

After Carlson criticized Senator Ted Cruz for calling the Capitol storming a "terrorist attack", Cruz appeared on Carlson's show January 6, 2022, the anniversary of the event, and apologized for his words.
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SithZedi

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I use Wiki for certain things but very reluctantly. Also know people that actively edit for Wiki who are quite lefty and they readily admit that can be a useful tool for quick references but terribly biased. The main sin is the one of omission. Well at least they were honest with me.

College Professors at my kids university told them not to use Wiki and cited the following reasons from Wiki's own site. I told my kids to make up their own minds with caution. Would say the same thing to users of this site.

"Because, as a user-generated source, it can be edited by anyone at any time, any information it contains at a particular time could be vandalism, a work in progress, or just plain wrong. Biographies of living persons, subjects that happen to be in the news, and politically or culturally contentious topics are especially vulnerable to these issues"

"Many[4] colleges and universities, as well as public and private secondary schools, have policies that prohibit students from using Wikipedia as their source for doing research papers, essays, or equivalent assignments. This is because Wikipedia can be edited by anyone at any moment. When an error is recognized it is usually fixed. However, because Wikipedia cannot monitor thousands of edits made every day, some of those edits could contain vandalism or could be simply wrong and left unnoticed for days, weeks, months, or even years.[5]"

 
SithZedi

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Again, I don't watch Tucker but in the course of our exchanges I decided to do some first sourcing and found the below interview with Michael Avenatti. Will be doing the same with Rogan.

Didn't think this was a bad interview overall given who he was interviewing. His style can be annoying but I did not see anything particularly satanic in it. It's only one interview so would have to see more. Given what happened to Avenatti the obvious question is: Why didn't the rest of the media interview Avenatti the same way? I'd like to know anyone's answer to that.

In the other clip, it was fun to see how the media expecially CNN LOL pushed this fraud on their audiences just to get the "Orange Man". Hilarious yes, journalism, not so much. It was a mashup though so should be viewed with skepticism. It's almost as good as CNN's coverage of Malaysian Flight 370 back in the day...Black Holes? really. Their ratings are a black hole.


 
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I use Wiki for certain things but very reluctantly. Also know people that actively edit for Wiki who are quite lefty and they readily admit that can be a useful tool for quick references but terribly biased. The main sin is the one of omission. Well at least they were honest with me.

College Professors at my kids university told them not to use Wiki and cited the following reasons from Wiki's own site. I told my kids to make up their own minds with caution. Would say the same thing to users of this site.

"Because, as a user-generated source, it can be edited by anyone at any time, any information it contains at a particular time could be vandalism, a work in progress, or just plain wrong. Biographies of living persons, subjects that happen to be in the news, and politically or culturally contentious topics are especially vulnerable to these issues"

"Many[4] colleges and universities, as well as public and private secondary schools, have policies that prohibit students from using Wikipedia as their source for doing research papers, essays, or equivalent assignments. This is because Wikipedia can be edited by anyone at any moment. When an error is recognized it is usually fixed. However, because Wikipedia cannot monitor thousands of edits made every day, some of those edits could contain vandalism or could be simply wrong and left unnoticed for days, weeks, months, or even years.[5]"

Again, I don't watch Tucker but in the course of our exchanges I decided to do some first sourcing and found the below interview with Michael Avenatti. Will be doing the same with Rogan.

Didn't think this was a bad interview overall given who he was interviewing. His style can be annoying but I did not see anything particularly satanic in it. It's only one interview so would have to see more. Given what happened to Avenatti the obvious question is: Why didn't the rest of the media interview Avenatti the same way? I'd like to know anyone's answer to that.

In the other clip, it was fun to see how the media expecially CNN LOL pushed this fraud on their audiences just to get the "Orange Man". Hilarious yes, journalism, not so much. It was a mashup though so should be viewed with skepticism. It's almost as good as CNN's coverage of Malaysian Flight 370 back in the day...Black Holes? really. Their ratings are a black hole.


So the above "could" be wrong? You just don't know if they're wrong?
Again, Orange Man bad because Orange Man dickhead. You keep trying to bail him out. Why???
 
SithZedi

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Funny, I do feel like Pogre's signature: Where am I going... and why am I in this handbasket..?
I love a debate and am in the position of defending because I was trying to show the following that has been opined on:

I will defend Trump if you are saying Hillary is better. She is a supernova vs Trump being an orange star on the scale of human depravity.
Failing to acknowledge the Russia Hoax and it's impact.
All propaganda and misinformation does not from only from the right.
Only criticizing the "right" for not accepting elections. Failing to take into account, 2000, 2004, and 2016 elections where the dems challenged the electoral college each time and was very divisive to the country.
I am holding my own judgment on Jan 6 when the 10,000 hours of tape are revealed and the FBI investigations are complete for reasons already discussed.
Holding out CNN as this paragon of virtue over FOX? See above, supernova comment.

I'll restate: It's certainly fun pointing out FOX's sins but the evidence that all the Corporate Media(owned by the 1%) do the same is out there if you look and are not a partisan. It's meant to divide us.

Ultimately, we do not agree on this. How about those Bengals?
 
MaxInValrico

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Well Obama didn't lose nor did Bill. If you mean Hillary, there are a zillion clips of her out there not accepting defeat in 2016. She read her unperformed acceptance speak on the air a few weeks ago! It was pathetic. Its been 5 years. She's a running joke even amoung Dems.

Found this list on some of her "publicly" stated excuses of the years for not accepting defeat in 2016. You can look them up for yourself but I would not look on CNN. God I hope she runs in 2024.

Here’s are the top 15 reasons Hillary blames for losing the election
  1. 1,000 Russian Agents
  2. Anti-American Forces
  3. Cable News
  4. Content Farms in Macedonia
  5. Unfair Electoral College
  6. Facebook
  7. Fake News
  8. Netflix
  9. Soft Underbelly of America
  10. Supreme Court/Citizens United Decision
  11. Supreme Court/Voting Rights Decision
  12. Television Executives
  13. Twitter
  14. Vladimir Putin
  15. Voter Suppression
Why would any competent person want to accept losing to Trump?
 
lovinthehd

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Agree but I was writing about Hillary.
Just how is Hilary even relevant now? Let alone drumphy? You one of those folks who refuses to change in the future and clings to an imaginary past?
 
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Funny, I do feel like Pogre's signature: Where am I going... and why am I in this handbasket..?
I love a debate and am in the position of defending because I was trying to show the following that has been opined on:

I will defend Trump if you are saying Hillary is better. She is a supernova vs Trump being an orange star on the scale of human depravity.
Failing to acknowledge the Russia Hoax and it's impact.
All propaganda and misinformation does not from only from the right.
Only criticizing the "right" for not accepting elections. Failing to take into account, 2000, 2004, and 2016 elections where the dems challenged the electoral college each time and was very divisive to the country.
I am holding my own judgment on Jan 6 when the 10,000 hours of tape are revealed and the FBI investigations are complete for reasons already discussed.
Holding out CNN as this paragon of virtue over FOX? See above, supernova comment.
So I'm failing to acknowledge the Russia Hoax but you're failing to acknowledge the likelihood of the Clinton's or Obama filing over 60 federal cases, finding no evidence of fraud, and continuing the push the election fraud? Even with your Hillary checklist, it would seem to me the woman is still "less worse" because she didn't go that far.

Your holding out for the 10K of tape for some deep information even though what's before our eyes is a man who pushed the Stop the Steal BS and continues to push the Big Lie he lost.

Hold out FOX as this paragon of virtue over CNN?

Or you could find another Republican to believe in besides Trump? I'm sure there's plenty.

I'll restate: It's certainly fun pointing out FOX's sins but the evidence that all the Corporate Media(owned by the 1%) do the same is out there if you look and are not a partisan. It's meant to divide us.

You don't watch Fox or CNN. Remember?
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

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The Russia hoax is that drumphy didn't actually get caught with the hookers and/or the golden shower thing? Do we really care? Do we really doubt someone with as low of standards as drumph would care about relationships with mob lawyers etc?
 
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Holding out on the footage? Doesn't much matter if he did or didn't intentionally send them to the capitol. His people did do it. The fringe groups he doesn't distance himself from.
 
SithZedi

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So I'm failing to acknowledge the Russia Hoax but you're failing to acknowledge the likelihood of the Clinton's or Obama filing over 60 federal cases, finding no evidence of fraud, and continuing the push the election fraud? Even with your Hillary checklist, it would seem to me the woman is still "less worse" because she didn't go that far.

Your holding out for the 10K of tape for some deep information even though what's before our eyes is a man who pushed the Stop the Steal BS and continues to push the Big Lie he lost.

Hold out FOX as this paragon of virtue over CNN?

Or you could find another Republican to believe in besides Trump? I'm sure there's plenty.

I'll restate: It's certainly fun pointing out FOX's sins but the evidence that all the Corporate Media(owned by the 1%) do the same is out there if you look and are not a partisan. It's meant to divide us.

You don't watch Fox or CNN. Remember?
Oh boy. I was referring to the career arc of Clinton vs Trump. Again no comparison in level of depravity.
Now, if you want to only focus on "pushing election fraud", you cannot. Trump was in power and lost election and tried his ill advised shenanigans. Clinton was not president when she lost the election. She did not have the power to try what Trump has. No one can say what Hillary would have done if she was in power and lost to Trump. Her character being what it is, God knows what she would have done. One thing we can say, it would have been supported by the media.

The Russia Hoax is worse that pushing the election fraud scheme. Its still early but the Durham investigations are ongoing. it would not surprise me if it determines that the Clintons ,FBI, CIA, and various other departments of gov't were players in it. The Media played its part perfectly for almost 5 years.

The words I used were."holding CNN out as a paragon of virtue". I certainly did not call Fox a paragon of virtue. Cute rewording. I have a lot of experience with lawyer, you are going to have to up your game.
Never said I do not believe in any other candidate besides Trump. Again you are rewording. What I have said is that Trump will probably get the nomination because he is too powerful in the party. That does not mean he is my first choice.

And to finish, you might remember I don't watch Fox or CNN. Although I must admit after watching the Avenatti interview I will be open to watching Tucker depending on the guest. Will do the same for Rogan now that they are trying to censor him. I would like to make up my own mind and not rely on others for my opinions.

So where does that leave us:
All the media seeks to divide us and makes a good deal of money doing it.
Censorship backfires.
Wikipedia is considered unreliable by American Universities.
CNN LOL is a joke and not taken seriously even by democrats who watch other channels including Fox.
Yes, I am still waiting for the tapes. It's called evidence. If they eventually show there was no instigation or entrapment by gov't agencies, than I will eventually agree with you. If they show there was well that's a different conversation.
If Trump does get the Republican nod, the ONLY consolation will be the fun in watching heads explode on CNN. Maybe I'll finally tune in. Hopefully they will be finished with all the pedopelia investigations by then.

Apologies for the length of this and the spelling to interested readers but had a lot to unpack/vent.
Anyway, I bid you good evening as I have to get to work to pay the bills.
 
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Me: Thank you for coming to my gallery. This first painting I made I named Celebrating Justice with Kim Jung. I hope you like.
Republican: Well all I see are two guys celebrating a victory over the radical left!
Me: Mmkay.:confused:

(I thought the picture should have made The Onion.)

What if Fox News covered Trump the way they covered Obama hahahaha...

 
Trell

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Me: Thank you for coming to my gallery. This first painting I made I named Celebrating Justice with Kim Jung. I hope you like.
Republican: Well all I see are two guys celebrating a victory over the radical left!
Me: Mmkay.:confused:

(I thought the picture should have made The Onion.)

What if Fox News covered Trump the way they covered Obama hahahaha...

To one poster on this forum the dude on the right is not white, or at least not white enough.
 
SithZedi

SithZedi

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The media does miss John Stewart at times. Making fun of both Fox and CNN and the media in general in the preTrump days. Bliss indeed.

 
SithZedi

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Now what do these guys have in common? I surmise they both like Lionel trains. Thoughts?
I will still listen to NY despite his now sullied hands.

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Now, if you want to only focus on "pushing election fraud", you cannot. Trump was in power and lost election and tried his ill advised shenanigans. Clinton was not president when she lost the election. She did not have the power to try what Trump has. No one can say what Hillary would have done if she was in power and lost to Trump. Her character being what it is, God knows what she would have done. One thing we can say, it would have been supported by the media.

I can. One DID happen (ie the primary); the other could've/would've happened is still going to be secondary. When I asked about Bill and Obama? Your answer was well they won their elections. The two options were I doubt it -or- probably.

Ah the supported by the media. Tucker's Patriot Purge or [wave hand] ill advised shenanigans. The latter sounds better from The Republican POV than the f--ker tried to steal the election. The former having just enough truth to it on the insurrection itself but also having enough impact in watering down the election scam.

The Russia Hoax is worse that pushing the election fraud scheme. Its still early but the Durham investigations are ongoing. it would not surprise me if it determines that the Clintons ,FBI, CIA, and various other departments of gov't were players in it. The Media played its part perfectly for almost 5 years.

Well thankfully it didn't have any material outcome on the '16 election.

CNN LOL is a joke and not taken seriously even by democrats who watch other channels including Fox.

Yet the two major networks had record ratings in the lead up to the '20 election. Were they carefully editing Ward Cleaver, or might they had a lot of substance to their news reporting on the character of Trump? Maybe it was the amish that inflated their mystery ratings? You'd know because you didn't watch them.

Did Republicans bow out of the race, or did some of them actively vote against Trump? I'm told Trump is the first president in 100 years to have lost all three branches of gov't. Might it have had something to do with him, or was it the left's fault? It's odd to me from your standpoint why it would happen on the Republicans watch.
 
SithZedi

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I think you are now arguing one of my points, that Trump was good for ratings and $$$. That's why the finance guys at CNN miss him.

The three branches of Gov't are the executive, legislative and judicial. The Supreme Court has more conservatives on now since Trump appointed 3 during his term so technically it was not lost.
Who ever you talked to might think that the Senate and House are two different branches? They are not, both are part of the legislative branch, or Congress. A common mistake these days.
You should talk to someone else. Forward the below, but tell them to be careful since its Wikipedia.

 
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I think you are now arguing one of my points, that Trump was good for ratings and $$$. That's why the finance guys at CNN miss him.

The three branches of Gov't are the executive, legislative and judicial. The Supreme Court has more conservatives on now since Trump appointed 3 during his term so technically it was not lost.
Who ever you talked to might think that the Senate and House are two different branches? They are not, both are part of the legislative branch, or Congress. A common mistake these days.
You should talk to someone else. Forward the below, but tell them to be careful since its Wikipedia.

Seems to me if he was the "greatest ever" he wouldn't have lost all three branches of gov't. Just saying.
 
SithZedi

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Ha, I never called him greatest ever. I don't think you read mu
Seems to me if he was the "greatest ever" he wouldn't have lost all three branches of gov't. Just saying.
Ha, I don't think he's the greatest ever. You are thinking of others. Some claim Obama was the greatest ever.
It's opinion.
You also did not read my post about the three branches of gov't. He lost two.
 
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