Coronavirus

[Swerd]

I've got nothing new to say about corona virus, the Delta strain, or anything else about the pandemic.

It's bad enough that this subject has involved politics. I see that as both unfortunate but unavoidable.

However, I strongly object to involving religion in this subject. The last time I checked, religion has little if anything to do with this virus pandemic. Whenever I see religion enter into national politics, it tends to paralyze the discussion. This applies to those who support religious doctrine as well as those who oppose it.

Please do not let that happen here.

 

[jinjuku]

"I've zero empathy and I want them to get great care that they have to pay 100% out of pocket for. I DO NOT WANT TO PAY FOR STUPID PEOPLE."

You sound like Irv.

Is there a point? I indeed to not want $$ coming out of my pocket because some one else was a self entitled moron. I fail to see the problem with my logic in this. If you're ok with this: I'll send you my portion of the bill that will be due.

 

[Mikado463]

Is there a point? I indeed to not want $$ coming out of my pocket because some one else was a self entitled moron. I fail to see the problem with my logic in this. If you're ok with this: I'll send you my portion of the bill that will be due.

I think he was handing you a compliment !

 

[Alex2507]

I strongly object to involving religion in this subject.

Prayers sent.

 

[Trell]

I've got nothing new to say about corona virus, the Delta strain, or anything else about the pandemic.

It's bad enough that this subject has involved politics. I see that as both unfortunate but unavoidable.

However, I strongly object to involving religion in this subject. The last time I checked, religion has little if anything to do with this virus pandemic. Whenever I see religion enter into national politics, it tends to paralyze the discussion. This applies to those who support religious doctrine as well as those who oppose it.

Please do not let that happen here.

OK, how about this?

Deep dive into stupid: Meet the growing group that rejects germ theory

Germ theory denialist Facebook group went from 147 members in April 2020 to 18.4K now.

arstechnica.com

 

[Swerd]

OK, how about this?

Deep dive into stupid: Meet the growing group that rejects germ theory

Germ theory denialist Facebook group went from 147 members in April 2020 to 18.4K now.

arstechnica.com

Those same people would probably also claim that the internet does not make them stupid.

This may very well put them among the top contenders for the 2021 Darwin Awards.

 

[Out-Of-Phase]

I indeed to not want $$ coming out of my pocket because someone else was a self-entitled moron

It already does.

 

[panteragstk]

Prayers sent.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

 

[Old Onkyo]

I don’t believe you can still board an airplane without the vaccine or proof.

 

[Mr._Clark]

Norwegian Cruise Lines is challenging the Florida "vaccine passport" ban in Florida. It appears to me that the cruise lines have a somewhat weaker position than the school district in the Arkansas case because the cruise lines can (at least in theory) choose not to do business in a state with a ban on vaccine requirements. Having said that, I really don't know which way this case will go.

Norwegian cruises challenges Florida passenger vaccine law

Norwegian Cruise Line is asking a federal judge to block a Florida law prohibiting cruise companies from demanding that passengers show written proof of coronavirus vaccination before they board a ship.

apnews.com

Round one goes to Norwegian Cruise Lines. This is a preliminary injunction, not a final decision on the merits. Nevertheless, it's a strong signal the District Court will ultimately rule in favor of the cruise line. It's hard to say what would happen on appeal if it goes that far.

>>>Norwegian Cruise Line can require passengers show proof of a COVID-19 vaccination before boarding any of its ships in Florida, a federal judge has ruled. The decision by U.S. District Judge Kathleen Williams in Miami to grant Norwegian's request for a preliminary injunction comes despite a state law passed in May that fines businesses which require proof of such vaccinations. The law, championed by Gov. Ron DeSantis, slaps businesses with a fine of $5,000 per violation for asking customers to prove they were inoculated against the coronavirus. In her decision, Williams said Norwegian would likely succeed in a court trial with its argument that Florida's so-called "vaccine passport" ban risks public health and infringes on the cruise line's First Amendment rights.<<<

A Judge OKs Cruise Lines' COVID Vaccination Requirement For Passengers In Florida

A judge's preliminary injunction allows Norwegian Cruise Line to require customers to show vaccination against COVID-19 before boarding, despite a Florida law banning such requirements by businesses.

www.npr.org

 

[GO-NAD!]

I've got nothing new to say about corona virus, the Delta strain, or anything else about the pandemic.

It's bad enough that this subject has involved politics. I see that as both unfortunate but unavoidable.

However, I strongly object to involving religion in this subject. The last time I checked, religion has little if anything to do with this virus pandemic. Whenever I see religion enter into national politics, it tends to paralyze the discussion. This applies to those who support religious doctrine as well as those who oppose it.

Please do not let that happen here.

OK, how about this?

Deep dive into stupid: Meet the growing group that rejects germ theory

Germ theory denialist Facebook group went from 147 members in April 2020 to 18.4K now.

arstechnica.com

I hope nobody here suffers under the delusion that atheism is a cure-all for anti-scientific/anti-logical thinking. Consider this guy: Trofim Lysenko - Wikipedia

He flourished under Stalin, applying socialist principles to crop production and farm animal husbandry. His policies - along with collectivization - resulted in famines causing the deaths of millions of people. Even after the results of this poop show, China adopted his policies, resulting in even worse famine under Mao.

I read Richard Dawkins' book "The God Delusion" a couple of years ago. A central theme of the book is actually a strawman argument - he assumes that belief in God, by default, includes a creationist, anti-scientific mindset. He addressed critics who pointed out that the atheist regimes of the Soviet Union and communist China have brought death and misery to millions by saying that at least it didn't happen in the name of God. My reaction to that was - they implemented their evil practices despite a lack of belief in God.

And, it's not just officially atheist regimes suppressing religious belief and practice that harbour anti-scientific thought. Even run-of-the-mill left-leaning people get sucked into the mindset, as well. The Liberals' War on Science - Scientific American

 

[cpp]

It's bad enough that this subject has involved politics. I see that as both unfortunate but unavoidable.

Agree when politics or religion comes into play in a discussion on a forum, its usually sends the topic off the rails.

 

[Trell]

I hope nobody here suffers under the delusion that atheism is a cure-all for anti-scientific/anti-logical thinking. Consider this guy: Trofim Lysenko - Wikipedia

He flourished under Stalin, applying socialist principles to crop production and farm animal husbandry. His policies - along with collectivization - resulted in famines causing the deaths of millions of people. Even after the results of this poop show, China adopted his policies, resulting in even worse famine under Mao.

I read Richard Dawkins' book "The God Delusion" a couple of years ago. A central theme of the book is actually a strawman argument - he assumes that belief in God, by default, includes a creationist, anti-scientific mindset. He addressed critics who pointed out that the atheist regimes of the Soviet Union and communist China have brought death and misery to millions by saying that at least it didn't happen in the name of God. My reaction to that was - they implemented their evil practices despite a lack of belief in God.

And, it's not just officially atheist regimes suppressing religious belief and practice that harbour anti-scientific thought. Even run-of-the-mill left-leaning people get sucked into the mindset, as well. The Liberals' War on Science - Scientific American

Yup, mankind need no help from an imaginary God to act beyond stupid.

 

[highfigh]

Agree when politics or religion comes into play in a discussion on a forum, its usually sends the topic off the rails.

The saying "Never discuss politics or religion when drinking" exists for very good reasons.

 

[Trell]

Agree when politics or religion comes into play in a discussion on a forum, its usually sends the topic off the rails.

But politics is very much a huge part of the US Covid handling. I'm still amazed how political it still is in USA.

 

[GO-NAD!]

FYI.
Canada loosens more travel restrictions for fully vaccinated travellers | CBC News

 

[GO-NAD!]

Agree when politics or religion comes into play in a discussion on a forum, its usually sends the topic off the rails.

Yup, mankind need no help from an imaginary God to act beyond stupid.

The saying "Never discuss politics or religion when drinking" exists for very good reasons.

My only motivation was to balance the argument regarding atheism vs religious belief as they pertain to anti-scientific thought. I'll have nothing more to say on that tangent of the discussion.

 

[Kvn_Walker]

But politics is very much a huge part of the US Covid handling. I'm still amazed how political it still is in USA.

It's been political from day one, which is exactly why there's such a partisan divide on treatments, statistics, etc.

 

[Trell]

It's been political from day one, which is exactly why there's such a partisan divide on treatments, statistics, etc.

Most of this caused by one individual, former President Trump, that still holds a mostly complete control of G.O.P. If Trump had responded to this in a way that a normal decent human being would, many of the problems we see in USA and elsewhere would have been far less.

 

[Swerd]

I hope nobody here suffers under the delusion that atheism is a cure-all for anti-scientific/anti-logical thinking. Consider this guy: Trofim Lysenko - Wikipedia

He flourished under Stalin, applying socialist principles to crop production and farm animal husbandry. His policies - along with collectivization - resulted in famines causing the deaths of millions of people. Even after the results of this poop show, China adopted his policies, resulting in even worse famine under Mao.

Lysenko and the adoption of his so-called genetic principles by the USSR during the Stalin years is the classic example of modern politics interfering with science. Before the advent of atheistic forms of government in 1917, that interference largely came from royal governments and their state-sponsored religion. But, your point is a good one.

Lysenkoism was a distortion of the earlier ideas of the French biologist Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744-1829, see Lamarckism). Lamarck was largely wrong, but not entirely, see epigenetics (a subject for another day). However, Lysenkoism was an example of how a government adopted scientific principles that were developed because they were in line with the underlying political beliefs of that government. Circular logic.

And, it's not just officially atheist regimes suppressing religious belief and practice that harbour anti-scientific thought. Even run-of-the-mill left-leaning people get sucked into the mindset, as well. The Liberals' War on Science - Scientific American

Yes. In the USA, the recent re-emergence of anti-vaccine ideas probably originated from educated middle class people, largely in California. I say "educated" only because they attended college, not because they actually became educated. The political beliefs of many of these people were probably more toward the left than the right. More recently, these left-leaning anti-vaxers found allies with people who are generally anti-science and right-leaning politcally. This second group was highly enriched with members of fundamentalist christian churches.

My long-winded point – anti-science beliefs can come from the left or the right, from the believers of organized religion or non-believers. But if it begins with non-religious origins, it can easily spread by allying with others from the opposite side of the coin.