Audyssey just for speaker distances/delay?

[Hetfield]

Your open-mindedness to work on improving what you already have before replacing it, is paying dividend. Probably should just leave things alone, and simply enjoy your nice sounding system now. If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it more..

Boy is that a lesson for this hobby. How many times have you tweaked things because that's what we crazy home theater people do and it made things worse or not nearly as good? Replace something because it's supposed to be better or run room correction again or change some settings and knock the joy out. The worst is when an "expert" says you should do this or that and it messed up what was good.
Like I really want to replace my Def Tech SM 65s, all three with Ascend Acoustics CMT340s but I love the my SM 65s. That's how the crazy home theater mind works. We are sick people.

 

[Pogre]

Boy is that a lesson for this hobby. How many times have you tweaked things because that's what we crazy home theater people do and it made things worse or not nearly as good? Replace something because it's supposed to be better or run room correction again or change some settings and knock the joy out. The worst is when an "expert" says you should do this or that and it messed up what was good.
Like I really want to replace my Def Tech SM 65s, all three with Ascend Acoustics CMT340s but I love the my SM 65s. That's how the crazy home theater mind works. We are sick people.

Hey, maybe you could pop in and share your experience with another member who is having very similar issues that you were?

Clicky

*Edit: I just saw you found him in your other thread! Thanks for sharing!

 

[Hetfield]

Guys I just listened to a DVD-Audio that I have listened to a million times and heard things I NEVER heard before it. Its as if I replaced my entire HT with new speakers. I'm really astounded at what is going on. Can room correction really have this much affect on the sound or am I completely nuts? I don't even think I should run Audyssey again till I need it down the line. I think I'm gonna leave it.

 

[lovinthehd]

Guys I just listened to a DVD-Audio that I have listened to a million times and heard things I NEVER heard before it. Its as if I replaced my entire HT with new speakers. I'm really astounded at what is going on. Can room correction really have this much affect on the sound or am I completely nuts? I don't even think I should run Audyssey again till I need it down the line. I think I'm gonna leave it.

LOL maybe very small changes appear bigger to you....I think of the differences you cited between the avr amp and your external amp no matter what the volume....

 

[Hetfield]

I think it's more a matter of me really, really screwing up the first 2 tries. This time I ran it right and it's all good. Whatever it is I'm happy.

 

[lovinthehd]

I think it's more a matter of me really, really screwing up the first 2 tries. This time I ran it right and it's all good. Whatever it is I'm happy.

So try flipping back and forth between using it (Audyssey) and not using it....is it a huge difference?

 

[XTex]

Guys I just listened to a DVD-Audio that I have listened to a million times and heard things I NEVER heard before it. Its as if I replaced my entire HT with new speakers. I'm really astounded at what is going on. Can room correction really have this much affect on the sound or am I completely nuts? I don't even think I should run Audyssey again till I need it down the line. I think I'm gonna leave it.

I think you having accidentally 'kneecapped' your system through a poor previous setup is more likely, but either way it sounds like you have a great result now. Perhaps I missed it earlier but what receiver were you running previously?

 

[Hetfield]

I think you having accidentally 'kneecapped' your system through a poor previous setup is more likely, but either way it sounds like you have a great result now. Perhaps I missed it earlier but what receiver were you running previously?

I was running a very old, pre Aventage Yamaha receiver. RX series, was 550 bucks.
What ever the heck I did this time with Audyssey really fixed everything. I am completely blown away at the sound now. It's so balanced, so crisp, so clear, the bass seems to perfectly blended.
One thing it's showing me negative is I am seeing or hearing the limitations of the PB1000. Sounds great but I can tell it's hitting it's limit in deepness. I want a PSA or HSU sub now. I really can't buy anything right now though. The PB1000 is really not bad, actually is very good for 499 bucks.
I'm loving he X3400H now though. Than God I didn't fly off the handle and buy a new receiver before I made this thread.

 

[highfigh]

I was running a very old, pre Aventage Yamaha receiver. RX series, was 550 bucks.
What ever the heck I did this time with Audyssey really fixed everything. I am completely blown away at the sound now. It's so balanced, so crisp, so clear, the bass seems to perfectly blended.
One thing it's showing me negative is I am seeing or hearing the limitations of the PB1000. Sounds great but I can tell it's hitting it's limit in deepness. I want a PSA or HSU sub now. I really can't buy anything right now though. The PB1000 is really not bad, actually is very good for 499 bucks.
I'm loving he X3400H now though. Than God I didn't fly off the handle and buy a new receiver before I made this thread.

I re-reinstalled a Denon that I originally installed in 2008 for someone (third home, for this one) in a family room that has wooden beadboard walls & ceiling and ceramic tile floor, but it also has a big sofa and rug. It's also an irregularly-shaped room and because he didn't want to go nuts with it, I used the existing cheesy Sony HTIB speakers and sub, but added a pair of Jamo in-wall speakers and omitted the center because of the wall framing on the wall with the TV. The fronts sounded pretty good on their own, but the overall sound wasn't very good until I ran Audyssey. This is probably the most dramatic improvement I have heard with cheap speakers and the version of Audyssey with this AVR is, by comparison, ancient.

 

[Hetfield]

I re-reinstalled a Denon that I originally installed in 2008 for someone (third home, for this one) in a family room that has wooden beadboard walls & ceiling and ceramic tile floor, but it also has a big sofa and rug. It's also an irregularly-shaped room and because he didn't want to go nuts with it, I used the existing cheesy Sony HTIB speakers and sub, but added a pair of Jamo in-wall speakers and omitted the center because of the wall framing on the wall with the TV. The fronts sounded pretty good on their own, but the overall sound wasn't very good until I ran Audyssey. This is probably the most dramatic improvement I have heard with cheap speakers and the version of Audyssey with this AVR is, by comparison, ancient.

Believe me I now know. I have pretty decent speakers so this is really making everything sounds that much better. Super impressed and super excited and having fun.

 

[PENG]

So try flipping back and forth between using it (Audyssey) and not using it....is it a huge difference?

One thing for sure, the difference between a well set up Audyssey on vs off is one thing, that between a poorly set up on vs off could be quite another.

So it is quite possible that it could go from very good to good to poor.

 

[Hetfield]

I bought a tripod 14 bucks at Walmart. I'm scared to redo it because I love the sound now. At least I have it for when I need it next time.

 

[XTex]

I bought a tripod 14 bucks at Walmart. I'm scared to redo it because I love the sound now. At least I have it for when I need it next time.

Honestly, this is the exact reason I hesitate to try new things. After much experimentation things sound fantastic and I'm pleased as punch so I'm more worried about losing my current 'magic' than about the new gear/speakers/position/etc not making a difference. There's a reason they say 'fortune favors the bold', however, so Audyssey away and see if you can get it even better.

 

[Bunion]

Entering the distance of each speaker from the listening position is about as scientific as I choose to go. Prefer adjusting everything else by ear. I feel that different selections require their own fine tuning.

 

[Hetfield]

Well the tripod I bought at Walmart for 14 bucks fits the Audyssey mic just fine. Its really easy to use and I'm itching to use it to re-cal my system if though its against my better judgment. Yeah we HT people are sick MF's. I am sick in the head from this hobby.

 

[lovinthehd]

Entering the distance of each speaker from the listening position is about as scientific as I choose to go. Prefer adjusting everything else by ear. I feel that different selections require their own fine tuning.

Preference is one thing, reference another....

 

[Bunion]

Preference is one thing, reference another....

I had a really, really high end car stereo. Multiple amps with active crossovers. I paid a guy from a very reputable high end install shop alot of money to fine tune using microphones, laptop & program. Took 2 hours. The final sound may have been "reference" but it sucked.
Brought it back and tuned it by ear with the installation shop manager. He had many renowned installs to his name. The final sound was awesome!

 

[lovinthehd]

I had a really, really high end car stereo. Multiple amps with active crossovers. I paid a guy from a very reputable high end install shop alot of money to fine tune using microphones, laptop & program. Took 2 hours. The final sound may have been "reference" but it sucked.
Brought it back and tuned it by ear with the installation shop manager. He had many renowned installs to his name. The final sound was awesome!

Doesn't mean the first guy had it right either tho, maybe just his preference.

 

[Hetfield]

Hey guys I noticed something in the settings, must of been leftover from what I did when I ran Audyssey wrong. The subwoofer adjust was on and on +4. That was giving me insane bass. From what I understand that is not really a feature that should be turned on much less be set at +4.
I turned it off and turned the sub itself up 2 notches. I also turned what Audyssey did with the sub from -7 to 0 because I figure that threw off Audyssey when I ran it. What do you think?

 

[Pogre]

Hey guys I noticed something in the settings, must of been leftover from what I did when I ran Audyssey wrong. The subwoofer adjust was on and on +4. That was giving me insane bass. From what I understand that is not really a feature that should be turned on much less be set at +4.
I turned it off and turned the sub itself up 2 notches. I also turned what Audyssey did with the sub from -7 to 0 because I figure that threw off Audyssey when I ran it. What do you think?

I think Audyssey probably had it right and you just need to turn "sub level adjust" off. If it was +4 and Audyssey had trim set at -7 then you were running with an 11 dB bump! Now, by resetting your trim level to 0 and turning the sub itself up a couple of notches then you're still looking at least a +9 dB bump over what Audyssey set. That's pretty extreme.