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Montucky

Montucky

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Alex2507 said:
10 speeds? In a Honda tranny?
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If I was planning on keeping the car past the warranty period, that would actually spook me. Honda has historically made excellent motors and bullet-proof manual transmissions, but their automatics have always been a weak point for the brand. Shoving in 10 tiny gears into the same space seems like a recipe for future issues. It might shift great. It might be faster. I still don't trust it. But that's just me. If you have it under warranty and want the auto, then I guess it doesn't matter. Just my personal opinion. I'm a sucker for MT's though. Never had a problem with an MT other than routine clutch replacements. Autos though? Don't get me started...
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

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BoredSysAdmin said:
Could a pro for some, but I'm waaaaay to lazy to drive stick, not to mention a 10-speed auto is actually faster 0-60. It's pretty crazy that a mid-sized family sedan costing a hair over 30k does 5.5s 0-60.
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Auto trannys are getting to be more and more impressive. In the Charger I want the 8 speed only loses 50hp to the wheels out of 485hp. That's pretty impressive since loss is usually much higher than that. Or, the engine makes more than 485 at the crank.

I don't care either way.
 
Mikado463

Mikado463

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Montucky said:
To me, that thing's a travesty. I'm not pleased because for the US market they're axing the excellent, although aging Focus and Fiesta lines, while Europe's getting nice refreshes. They act like this new "ST" is a replacement for the Fiesta ST or Focus RS. Lol nope!

It mainly disgusts me because it represents everything that I hate about the auto industry right now.
Ford: "Nah, you don't really want that Fiesta (that is affordable). What you REALLY want is this AWESOME NEW EXTREEEEEEEEME ST version of our lame-o crossover SUV!!! (please pay no attention to the fact that it's $50K after a couple options)"

I was actually cross shopping the Fiesta ST, Focus ST too but knocking them off the list since they're doing away with them. Bad, Ford! Bad! I still want another Mustang GT, but man, I am just so mad at Ford these days I seriously don't want to support them any longer after they decided to do away with all cars minus the Mustang. :(
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all cars except Mustang ? I thought they were keeping at least one sedan ??
 
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Midwesthonky

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Mikado463 said:
all cars except Mustang ? I thought they were keeping at least one sedan ??
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Yeah, they announced Ford is getting out of cars in North America. The lower margins and the demand for crossovers and SUV's/trucks meant they needed to put their development $$ where it gets them the most money. A lot of the cars were being heavily discounted or sold to rental fleets. There isn't much money in that. Once Alan Mullaly retired, Ford started to struggle with a direction and a future plan. People just aren't into cars. Especially when you compare them against the flexibility of the crossover and smaller SUV market.

I can't put more than 3 kids into a car. But I can with a third row crossover or SUV. Add in higher seating position, ease of getting a fat American into and out of a car seat is easier in crossovers/SUV's, etc. it just makes sense. It's what the public wants. Look at Fiat Chrysler in NA, not many car offerings left. Europe likes cars but they are jammed for streets whereas we aren't in most cities.

At least Ford is keeping the Mustang and probably limited builds of the GT.
 
Mikado463

Mikado463

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LOL on the compares to the Edge boys .......... apples to oranges !

Chevy is gonna rebadge the 'Blazer' soon as well, I suspect Edge ST numbers as well
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

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Another update: Called a leasing company - nearly on the spot was given $408/month (sign and drive) price for 2018 Accord EX-L 2.0T. For some reason, their price for Touring trim was over $500, so it's no go.
$408 - Most likely that would the final deal. Too much hassle dealing with dealers and their ducking tricks. Like purposely delaying for some excuses and "what prevents you from making the deal today?"
 
Mikado463

Mikado463

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BoredSysAdmin said:
Riiight, Skipping the "ST Performance Brake Package"?? Ts Ts Ts... That alone changes the price to over 50k
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LOL ....... for those that were knocking it's 0-60 times, why need a brake upgrade ?

on the serious side, most performance oriented mid size SUV / Crossovers easily eclipse 50...60 .... 70k
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

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BoredSysAdmin said:
Too much hassle dealing with dealers and their ducking tricks. Like purposely delaying for some excuses and "what prevents you from making the deal today?"
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My answer to that is always "you aren't giving me the price I want". I can't stand all the dealer nonsense. I had one refuse to give me my keys when they were looking at my trade in. I walked into the managers office and told them to give me my keys or the cops would soon be on their way. Got my keys and never went back to that dealer. Stupid that I had to resort to that.

Some of these old dealers don't get that the days of shady car salesman are coming to an end. Especially when you live in a place with multiple dealers within 20 miles of each other that are owned by different people.
 
Montucky

Montucky

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BoredSysAdmin said:
Another update: Called a leasing company - nearly on the spot was given $408/month (sign and drive) price for 2018 Accord EX-L 2.0T. For some reason, their price for Touring trim was over $500, so it's no go.
$408 - Most likely that would the final deal. Too much hassle dealing with dealers and their ducking tricks. Like purposely delaying for some excuses and "what prevents you from making the deal today?"
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Man, that all sounds like such a hassle. I've never leased a personal vehicle. I HAVE leased a commercial vehicle for my business and that was a simple, no fuss, no muss affair and I walked away really happy (Daimler Financial for a Sprinter work van).

As far as a personal vehicle goes, while I'm not a lease kind of guy, I can totally see the appeal of Volvo's new "Care by Volvo" lease program. It's not cheap per se, but the flat rate prices include EVERYTHING but the fuel. Pays for the vehicle, the insurance, all maintenance including wear and tear items. It's also only a 2 year lease with getting an option to upgrade after only 1 year. I don't know about all the fine print, though. Sounds interesting.

Basically, they're trying to make car leasing like a subscription service. You only get two options for now, the S60 or the XC40, but they're both super nice cars and might be up your alley. I don't know, but could be worth checking out since dealers can no longer play the shady games with you since Volvo has set pricing.
https://www.volvocars.com/us/shopping-tools/purchase/care-by-volvo
 
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snakeeyes

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Not too much of a car fan. I like a car that is paid off the most. :). And my favorite beer is free beer! :)
 
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