Onkyo TX-NR787 9.2CH AVR w/AccuEQ Advance!!!

[speakerman39]

Yes, the best thing an EQing system like this can do is address the low frequency peaks from room modes. I do not want it interfering with the response above that point. Above the transition frequency, the character of the speaker itself will determine the response, so the speaker should be what is used to gain a good response in this band. Traditional automated room EQ systems can hurt a good speaker more than they can help. They can only really assist a deeply flawed speaker in this range. The only EQing that I would even consider above the room's transition frequency are methods that do not interfere with the time domain, like Dirac, Trinnov, or the wavelet system from Bohmer Audio.

Thanks Shady. I will now do some reading up on Dirac, Trinnov, and/or Wavelet. I have heard of Dirac and Trinnov. But, Wavelet is new to me. Thanks!


Cheers,

Phil

 

[lovinthehd]

Yes, the best thing an EQing system like this can do is address the low frequency peaks from room modes. I do not want it interfering with the response above that point. Above the transition frequency, the character of the speaker itself will determine the response, so the speaker should be what is used to gain a good response in this band. Traditional automated room EQ systems can hurt a good speaker more than they can help. They can only really assist a deeply flawed speaker in this range. The only EQing that I would even consider above the room's transition frequency are methods that do not interfere with the time domain, like Dirac, Trinnov, or the wavelet system from Bohmer Audio.

So what constitutes a good speaker? What are you using now?

 

[shadyJ]

So what constitutes a good speaker?

Flattish frequency response, uniform off-axis response, for starters.

 

[lovinthehd]

Flattish frequency response, uniform off-axis response, for starters.

So how about second part of the question?

 

[shadyJ]

So how about second part of the question?

I am using a lot of speakers lately, Dayton, Polk, Monoprice, RBH, etc. I have seven review pairs sitting here along with all the speakers that I own myself. Since I have been using a lot of different speakers lately, I don't really have a good answer for you.

 

[lovinthehd]

I am using a lot of speakers lately, Dayton, Polk, Monoprice, RBH, etc. I have seven review pairs sitting here along with all the speakers that I own myself. Since I have been using a lot of different speakers lately, I don't really have a good answer for you.

Suspected it was along those lines in some respects, more curious what your current choice of speakers are that you own without any special considerations of course

 

[hk2000]

Onkyo has always offered excellent features for the most part. Their amp sections have almost always been just as impressive. But, going to AccuEQ from Audyssey really hurt them in the long run. Not to mention the notorious HDMI board issues due to excessive heat.

However, it does look like Onkyo is headed in the right direction. That is, at least they are improving AccuEQ. Moreover, AccuEQ Advance is said to treat reflective surfaces and eliminate standing waves. Guess we will all know soon enough just how effective the improvements are.


Cheers,

Phil

ONKYO can't win- They used to have the most robust amp sections in all of the mainstream AV receiver manufacturers, but I guess that's a double edged sword, they started having their HDMI board issues with the excessive heat from such robust amps. and when they switched to the less powerful amps to alleviate the heat issues, they became no different than the rest, but were receiving the lion share of complaints about inflating power from non other than this very publication.

 

[speakerman39]

ONKYO can't win- They used to have the most robust amp sections in all of the mainstream AV receiver manufacturers, but I guess that's a double edged sword, they started having their HDMI board issues with the excessive heat from such robust amps. and when they switched to the less powerful amps to alleviate the heat issues, they became no different than the rest, but were receiving the lion share of complaints about inflating power from non other than this very publication.

Well it is very true that many AVR manufacturers have traded features for power for the most part. That seems to be the norm. Cutting power supplies is only one of the ways many use to offset such costs. When Onkyo dropped Audyssey in favor of their very own AccuEQ, it hurt them more than they will ever admit.

Back in the early 2000's I owned a 700 Series level Onkyo AVR. Really liked it, but the darn thing got way too hot and really concerned me. That was going on even at moderate listening levels. Not long after, I sent the Onkyo back and bought a Pioneer 1015 IIRC. On the very same speakers, the Pioneer barely got warm at best. That was true even at more robust levels. As such, that was the last time that I ever owned an Onkyo.

It is good to see Onkyo improving their own AccuEQ. Power levels still seem to be as good as, if not better, than most others. By all accounts, the excessive heat and/or HDMI board issues have been rectified. I personally can NOT confirm that first hand b/c I have NOT owned an Onkyo AVR since the early 2000's. However, I am open to giving Onkyo another chance when the time comes. Right now it is a wait and see for me. One-where there is absolutely no hurry.


Cheers,

Phil

 

[hk2000]

Well it is very true that many AVR manufacturers have traded features for power for the most part. That seems to be the norm. Cutting power supplies is only one of the ways many use to offset such costs. When Onkyo dropped Audyssey in favor of their very own AccuEQ, it hurt them more than they will ever admit.

Back in the early 2000's I owned a 700 Series level Onkyo AVR. Really liked it, but the darn thing got way too hot and really concerned me. That was going on even at moderate listening levels. Not long after, I sent the Onkyo back and bought a Pioneer 1015 IIRC. On the very same speakers, the Pioneer barely got warm at best. That was true even at more robust levels. As such, that was the last time that I ever owned an Onkyo.

It is good to see Onkyo improving their own AccuEQ. Power levels still seem to be as good as, if not better, than most others. By all accounts, the excessive heat and/or HDMI board issues have been rectified. I personally can NOT confirm that first hand b/c I have NOT owned an Onkyo AVR since the early 2000's. However, I am open to giving Onkyo another chance when the time comes. Right now it is a wait and see for me. One-where there is absolutely no hurry.


Cheers,

Phil

I own the Integra DTR-50.4- This came just before they dropped Audessy, which happened when they acquired Pioneer and their proprietary AccuEQ. The thing plays very loud and barely gets warm- far less than the Onkyo PRC-885 Pre/Pro it replaced, which is saying something considering that didn't have an amp section.

 

[lovinthehd]

I own the Integra DTR-50.4- This came just before they dropped Audessy, which happened when they acquired Pioneer and their proprietary AccuEQ. The thing plays very loud and barely gets warm- far less than the Onkyo PRC-885 Pre/Pro it replaced, which is saying something considering that didn't have an amp section.

Pretty sure they dropped Audyssey in favor of their own AccuEQ before the Pioneer thing happened...

 

[speakerman39]

I own the Integra DTR-50.4- This came just before they dropped Audessy, which happened when they acquired Pioneer and their proprietary AccuEQ. The thing plays very loud and barely gets warm- far less than the Onkyo PRC-885 Pre/Pro it replaced, which is saying something considering that didn't have an amp section.

No Onkyo dropped Audyssey long before acquiring Pioneer's home division. Glad to hear that you have had a good experience with Integra. But, mine with Onkyo has left me looking more at Denon/Marantz or even Yamaha. Even to this day, I much prefer Audyssey to the likes of MCACC and/or YPAO. Have zero experience with any form of AccuEQ. As such, I will reserve my feelings on that one.


Cheers,

Phil

 

[lovinthehd]

No Onkyo dropped Audyssey long before acquiring Pioneer's home division. Glad to hear that you have had a good experience with Integra. But, mine with Onkyo has left me looking more at Denon/Marantz or even Yamaha. Even to this day, I much prefer Audyssey to the likes of MCACC and/or YPAO. Have zero experience with any form of AccuEQ. As such, I will reserve my feelings on that one.


Cheers,

Phil

I almost used that phrase but couldn't remember just when they dropped Audyssey...think it was 2014 and in some looking later that year was when they purchased Pioneer...but after introduction of AccuEQ....

 

[speakerman39]

Just from a rather quick search it looks like the AccuEQ was added in favor of Audyssey in the Spring of 2014. Then, on early March 2015 Onkyo completed the process of acquiring Pioneer's home division. Seems like that Onkyo dropped Audyssey long before the Spring of 2014. Hence, I was thinking more like 2013-ish. Oh well, it looks like Onkyo is headed in the right direction now for the time being.


Cheers,

Phil

 

[hk2000]

I almost used that phrase but couldn't remember just when they dropped Audyssey...think it was 2014 and in some looking later that year was when they purchased Pioneer...but after introduction of AccuEQ....

Oops, I meant to say MCACC, but you're right, they did have AccuEQ before acquiring Pioneer. The 50.4 is from 2012 with Audyssey MultEQ XT32.

 

[lovinthehd]

Oops, I meant to say MCACC, but you're right, they did have AccuEQ before acquiring Pioneer. The 50.4 is from 2012 with Audyssey MultEQ XT32.

Is that one of the Onkyos they left SubEQ out of?

 

[darealest1]

I like that their automated EQ system only addresses low frequencies. That automatically puts it above MCACC, Audyssey, and YPAO for me. Stop wasting processing power for the full band.

So long as this doesn't have a flaky HDMI board, it looks like a winner to me.

I just recently purchased and set up this receiver on Friday July 6th replacing my old tx nr-626, which had odyssey multi eq. The new accu eq advance works really well. It does a more thorough job than the original on my buddy's Tx nr-737. I believe it does eliminate standing waves too, because all of the 'boominess' I experienced previously is completely gone, even at high volume. Also I like you don't have to turn the subs down to 79 db like I did with audyssey. It also plays up to max volume without distortion, better than my previous model. I'd have to say it's as advertised

 

[speakerman39]

I just recently purchased and set up this receiver on Friday July replacing my old tx nr-626, which had odyssey multi eq. The new accu eq advance works really well. It does a more thorough job than the original on my buddy's Tx nr-737. I believe it does eliminate standing waves too, because all of the 'boominess' I experienced previously is completely gone, even at high volume. Also I like you don't have to turn the subs down to 79 db like I did with audyssey. It also plays up to max volume without distortion, better than my previous model. I'd have to say it's as advertised

Thanks for your impressions. I do believe that the 787 is going to be a game changer for Onkyo. Very interested in one myself. Feel free to take some pics.


Cheers,

Phil

 

[Verdinut]

Onkyo is now shipping the TX-NR787 avr that has an improved version of AccuEQ Advance*. Accordingly, the new and improved version of AccuEQ is said to eliminate standing waves altogether. Here is a link:


https://www.onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=TX-NR787&class=Receiver&source=prodClass


Here is more info regarding AccuEQ Advance*:


http://accueq.onkyousa.com/



Sure seems promising. However, it could also be a lot of marketing as well. I like the look too. Guess we shall see if AccuEQ Advance is really all that much improved, no?



Cheers,

Phil

Would someone need low Q speakers with it as they don't even specify the damping factor of the amps?
They surely know the figures but, with a ported enclosure, if a woofer's impedance goes down to 3 ohms at some specific low frequency, the damping would be reduced where it is most needed.
OTOH, as this product is THX cerified, I would think there's no reason to worry.
Cheers,

André

 

[PENG]

I like that their automated EQ system only addresses low frequencies. That automatically puts it above MCACC, Audyssey, and YPAO for me. Stop wasting processing power for the full band.

Not true any more! The MultEQ Editor App allows you to set a limit. That is a good feature because in some cases (as I found out in my 2 channel room) it is better to EQ above the transition point.

 

[PENG]

The only EQing that I would even consider above the room's transition frequency are methods that do not interfere with the time domain, like Dirac, Trinnov, or the wavelet system from Bohmer Audio.

I am quite sure Dirac does play in the time domain, and I would be disappointed if it didn't. Obviously it should only be done for good reasons to get better results, otherwise it should not be done.