The NRA owns Trump as well.

[Mikado463]

Well, that is what it looks like but what are the facts. Did the county sheriff not act? Or, was the law not on his side to act after each phone call the office received?
What is the procedure in the FBI to respond to concerned phone calls? Do they go out and investigate on their own or call the local law enforcement and see what is the story?
Monday morning quarterbacking is easy.

they "F'd" buddy, you think otherwise ? of course we Monday morning quarterbacked this, what did you expect ??

 

[Mikado463]

Well, I did say rifles. But, maybe flint locks are in order?

I trust you understood my question ?

 

[gene]

https://www.thetrace.org/2016/11/nra-big-bets-election-2016-results/

The NRA’s largest 2016 outlay was the $30.3 million it spent in support of Trump.

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Political Campaign Activities - Risks to Tax-Exempt Status. In return for its favored tax-status, a charitable nonprofit promises the federal government that it will not engage in “political campaign activity” and if it does, IRS regulations mandate that the charitable nonprofit will lose its tax-exempt status.​

Please someone tell me how the NRA maintains it's 'tax exempt" status?

 

[Mikado463]

Political Campaign Activities - Risks to Tax-Exempt Status. In return for its favored tax-status, a charitable nonprofit promises the federal government that it will not engage in “political campaign activity” and if it does, IRS regulations mandate that the charitable nonprofit will lose its tax-exempt status.​

Please someone tell me how the NRA maintains it's 'tax exempt" status?

I think they 'bought' Washington long ago Gene !

 

[KEW]

Fear limits potential in people but it's (a good) an effective way to control people.

Fixed it for you!

 

[KEW]

Regarding teachers having guns, I know it would immediately become the game to determine which teachers were carrying and where.
I don't see it as realistic for anyone to be able to conceal a weapon on a daily 7+ hour a day basis from people who are trying to figure out if you have one.
Bored students will then start thinking about the best way to snatch a gun off of one of these teachers.
99.9999% would never do it, but that 0.0001% is who you have to worry about.
Of course. if the students know who has the guns, you can kind of assume anyone who wants to find out can.
Maybe it would help some, but it is far from a brilliant solution!

 

[Mikado463]

Regarding teachers having guns,
Maybe it would help some, but it is far from a brilliant solution!

'far from brilliant' ......... kinda like the clown in DC trying to push for it !

 

[highfigh]

Fixed it for you!

Thanks, man!

 

[highfigh]

Political Campaign Activities - Risks to Tax-Exempt Status. In return for its favored tax-status, a charitable nonprofit promises the federal government that it will not engage in “political campaign activity” and if it does, IRS regulations mandate that the charitable nonprofit will lose its tax-exempt status.​

Please someone tell me how the NRA maintains it's 'tax exempt" status?

Probably the same way the NFL maintains its 'Non-Profit Organization' status.

 

[TheWarrior]

Probably the same way the NFL maintains its 'Non-Profit Organization' status.

And churches...

 

[psbfan9]

everettT said: ↑
Chicago. Toughest Gun laws in the country and the highest Gun murder rate. I can list other extreme gun law states and cities. Criminals do not obey the law.

In reality, Chicago does not have the strictest gun control law; they used to and gun kills were much less.
Indiana, on the other hand is very lax, from what I heard on this.

This is true. In the current session, they're trying to make these laws even laxer.
There are bills being floated to end the permit requirement. So you would be able to buy a gun as easy as you can buy milk.
I've called and emailed my state rep. to voice my opposition and have not heard back from him.

Again, I am a gun owner.

 

[highfigh]

https://www.thetrace.org/2016/11/nra-big-bets-election-2016-results/

The NRA’s largest 2016 outlay was the $30.3 million it spent in support of Trump.

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While that's a good percentage of Trump's campaign spending, it's nothing when compared to the total spent. NRA members weren't swayed, they probably didn't add a large number of new members and it's a lot like talk radio- the people who listen already agree with what they're going to hear. Did the NRA convert Democrats to vote for him? I doubt it. Did they convert women to vote for him, I doubt it.

The election went the way the NRA wanted, but they and others ALWAYS hedge their money on both sides. I'm not sure it was a good value if you look at what they changed. Congress, OTOH- now THERE'S where the NRA dollars were well-spent, from their perspective.

I want lobbying and corporate campaign contributions to end.

 

[TheWarrior]

This is true. In the current session, they're trying to make these laws even laxer.
There are bills being floated to end the permit requirement. So you would be able to buy a gun as easy as you can buy milk.
I've called and emailed my state rep. to voice my opposition and have not heard back from him.

Again, I am a gun owner.

And that's why people go across state lines, rather than have to go through Illinois' "tough" mandatory wait period.

 

[highfigh]

Well, that is what it looks like but what are the facts. Did the county sheriff not act? Or, was the law not on his side to act after each phone call the office received?
What is the procedure in the FBI to respond to concerned phone calls? Do they go out and investigate on their own or call the local law enforcement and see what is the story?
Monday morning quarterbacking is easy.

A bail bondsman has a YouTube video about having been visited by the FBI after the shooting because he had sent info to them about Cruz's online greetings ("I'm a professional school shooter"). In October. Did they do much about it? Apparently not, if their admission of losing the link is true and it sounds like they never bothered to visit with Cruz, to verify or deny. The armed security guard hid outside. Last week, NOBODY mentioned the fact that the school had an armed guard and that he was a real cop, let alone the fact that he was of retirement age- he has since retired. I get that he didn't want to risk losing his life at such a late stage in life, but the department should have posted someone who's willing to stop someone who absolutely needed to be stopped.

You call the FBI, they investigate if it falls under their pervue. If not, I would hope they hand it off to the local departments.

 

[KEW]

'far from brilliant' ......... kinda like the clown in DC trying to push for it !

Well, you have to cut him some slack on this one, after all, he is limited to solutions which adhere to the NRA guidelines of acceptable legislation!

 

[TheWarrior]

Well, yiou have to cut him some slack on this one, after all, he is limited to solutions which adhere to the NRA guidelines of acceptable legislation!

You've got Lapierre claiming Democrats want to 'push a socialist agenda' and others calling survivors, paid actors.

You can't make this crap up!

 

[highfigh]

And that's why people go across state lines, rather than have to go through Illinois' "tough" mandatory wait period.

Gun shows, private sales, etc, sure- it's easy, but if you talk to booth owners at gun shows, they're not all going to just take the cash and not ask questions. The ones I have asked said that if they had a bad feeling about someone, they wouldn't sell.

Here's a link that specifically mentions Illinois and Indiana-

https://www.quora.com/Can-I-buy-a-gun-in-another-state

 

[highfigh]

do end there or ban 'all' semi automatic firearms ?

Including pistols (which are different from revolvers)? That would force people to depend on weapons for self defense that might not be adequate- inaccuracy and ineffectiveness are two reasons for larger magazines. Hopefully, there's nobody beyond the attacker who could be hit and the truth is, you can shoot someone but it might just make them mad. Full metal jacket rounds tend to poke holes and unless something extremely critical is hit, the attacker is gonna keep coming and most shooting victims survive. They certainly don't fly backward the way we see on TV and in movies and the vast majority don't fall to the ground, immediately.

 

[TheWarrior]

Gun shows, private sales, etc, sure- it's easy, but if you talk to booth owners at gun shows, they're not all going to just take the cash and not ask questions. The ones I have asked said that if they had a bad feeling about someone, they wouldn't sell.

Here's a link that specifically mentions Illinois and Indiana-

https://www.quora.com/Can-I-buy-a-gun-in-another-state

Yeah I think Illinois requires 5+ days wait period, so Indiana is an obvious choice!

 

[highfigh]

Yeah I think Illinois requires 5+ days wait period, so Indiana is an obvious choice!

But you can't buy what you can't own in your own state. OTOH, they can just get a straw buyer and be done with it.