TSC P6-PR Bookshelf Speakers

tomd51

tomd51

Audioholic General
Based on several users interest here, I've decided to order a pair of TSC P6-PR speakers in hopes to provide some insight as to the experience of purchasing from The Speaker Company as well as providing an informal review of the product itself. In the process, I'll attempt to provide as much detail as possible and while much may be subjective, hopefully it will allow a few budget-minded users in search of solid performing speakers a viable option. I'll add content to this thread as time permits.

First things first, I ordered a pair of the TSC P6-PR bookshelf speakers direct from TSC's website late last Tuesday evening (1/29) and they were shipped out the very next evening. After receiving them Monday afternoon (2/4), I took some photos of their packaging for reference. While they were not exorbitantly packed, it did seem sufficient for the speaker’s size and weight. Remember, based on the price point of TSC's offerings, there are likely to be very little frills included.




For those considering demo'ing these in home based on TSC's "no questions asked 30 day return policy", make sure you retain all of the packing material. This is an important point considering TSC explicitly states on their site regarding returns that "we regret that we can not accept any returns not in the original packaging material."

Though TSC has the dimensions listed for the P6-PRs on their site, I thought I’d note my measurements as they differ slightly.

Height: 11 5/8"
Width: 7 5/16"
8" D (7 1/2 w/grille removed)

There are some slight discrepancies with a couple of the specs of the P6-PRs as TSC’s site list the ‘Power handling’ as ’10-100’ watts and the ‘Sensitivity as ‘87dB’, though a sticker on the back list the “Maximum Power” value as “20-100 Watts” and the “Sensitivity” value as “89dB”. Not earth shattering, but a slight difference. I’ve e-mailed Nick to see if he or someone on his staff could clarify which of these values are accurate.

Aesthetically the P6-PRs are fairly basic with a satin black oak laminate finish, not thrilling, but not unattractive. The finish and grilles remind me of some older Infinity bookshelf speakers I had back in the late 90s. Though the woofer cone looks more silver on TSC's site, it's closer to a dark charcoal grey. One feature of the P6-PRs I found appealing was the front firing port, this should allow those with space constraints a bit more wiggle room. They also come equipped with 5-way binding posts for those that prefer banana plugs, pin or spade connectors. Now for those wanting more than the thumbnail from TSC’s site, here are a few photos of the P6-PRs themselves:








The build quality seems to be decent, using what looks to be ¾” MDF. Removing the woofer, you'll find some batting, though not a substantial amount (again, remember budget-minded build).



I will attempt to do some listening tests later today or tomorrow based on my availability. I will also try to work in some comparison of a couple of other bookshelf speakers I have available, a pair of Boston Acoustics CR65s and Axiom Audio M3tis. While these are both higher in price and the M3s larger in size, it may help as some point of reference if these factors are considered.

More to come later… -TD
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
Excellent documentation so far - thanks. The pictures indicate they just might be a good little rugged set of bookshelves for the price. Hurry up and do some listening tests though!! :D
 
tomd51

tomd51

Audioholic General
Thks Halon, trying to be as thorough as possible for the benefit of everyone. Patience on the rest though, Grasshoppa. :)

All good things to those who wait... ;) -TD
 
emorphien

emorphien

Audioholic General
Looks interesting, I'm also interested in how they sound. Look a lot like the Polk R20s.
 
J

Johnd

Audioholic Samurai
Looks somewhat encouraging so far Tom. Thanks. Would you be willing to remove the tweeter and insulation as well so as to show cabinet construction details? (without risking any damage to your speakers).. I asked the GM at TSC (Nick) to do this for us a couple of weeks ago, and he has yet to reply. Thanks again...for the money it does not seem at all discouraging.
 
pzaur

pzaur

Audioholic Samurai
Any updates on how these things actually sound?
It'll depend on what speaker wires he uses! :D
(sorry, couldn't resist that one after reading through the unmentioned locked thread)

But really, have you done any listening yet, Tomd51? Those look like they may be good candidates for my garage.

-pat
 
tomd51

tomd51

Audioholic General
Sorry for the delay folks, I actually have a life from time to time... ;)

I have done some fairly comprehensive listening tests any they are relatively positive. I don't have time this evening to go into detail, but I should be able to do so tomorrow.. -TD
 
J

Johnd

Audioholic Samurai
It'll depend on what speaker wires he uses! :D
(sorry, couldn't resist that one after reading through the unmentioned locked thread)
Shame on you pzaur. He's selling...and you're not buying? :D


But really, have you done any listening yet, Tomd51? Those look like they may be good candidates for my garage.

-pat
Lol. Ouch. That's just the kiss of death in my neck of the woods. Extreme heat and humidity in the summer, extreme cold and dryness in the winter. Garage?!? Chad's cables probably have a protective resonance for that type of thing! :p;)

Well, Tom...it's Saturday. Preliminary reviews? And did you poke and prod any further than the original photographs (per my previous post)? I don't want you to harm your speaker in any way, but all I could see in the photo was a hole, a partial shot of the woofer and wiring in the dark and some loosely layed insulation. More descriptive pictures, if at all possible, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, John

Garage! Sheeeesh. ;)
 
tomd51

tomd51

Audioholic General
It'll depend on what speaker wires he uses! :D
(sorry, couldn't resist that one after reading through the unmentioned locked thread)
Not sure what you mean on this one Pat... :confused: -TD
 
tomd51

tomd51

Audioholic General
Well, Tom...it's Saturday. Preliminary reviews? And did you poke and prod any further than the original photographs (per my previous post)? I don't want you to harm your speaker in any way, but all I could see in the photo was a hole, a partial shot of the woofer and wiring in the dark and some loosely layed insulation. More descriptive pictures, if at all possible, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, John
I'm finalizing my results as I type :).

I will see if I can remove the tweeter w/out too much trouble, pull some batting and get a closer shot of the internals of the cabinet, but from what I saw earlier, it's pretty standard for most bookshelf speakers under the $200 range from a build quality standpoint.

I'll do this after I post my findings so I don't get beat up anymore for waiting this long... ;) -TD
 
tomd51

tomd51

Audioholic General
Listening Tests and Evaluation

I was fortunate enough to be able to do some A/B testing comparisons using an Adcom GFS-3 three set speaker selector box and a pair of Boston Acoustic CR65s I use in my secondary setup, which is designated for mainly TV and limited movie usage. I removed my Boston Acoustic VR3s from my dedicated home theater setup and mounted the TSC and BA speakers on some makeshift stands in the same location as theVR3s. I calibrated the P6-PRs, then checked to see if there were any differences in the levels for the CR65s. Fortunately, both speakers were almost identical in level settings, so I could perform the A/B back and forth to compare the two very closely on each track evaluation without any setting changes.

For my listening tests of the TSC P6-PRs, I used the following based on the clarity of presentation of each recording, diversity in genre and my own familiarity of each piece. They are:

Queen - Keep Yourself Alive (The DVD Collection: Greatest Video Hits 1)
Steely Dan - Chain Lightning (Citizen Steely Dan: 1972-1980 - Disc 2)
Donald Fagen - Snowbound (Kamakiriad)
Michael Penn - This & That (March)
Propellerheads - Better?, Take California (Decksandrumsandrockandroll)
Soundgarden - Fell On Black Days (Superunknown)
Blue Man Group - Time To Start (Complex Rock Tour DVD)
The Red Hot Chili Peppers - Mellowship Slinky In B Major (Blood Sugar Sex Magik)
Stephen Stills - Tree Top Flyer (Stills Alone)
The Dave Brubeck Quartet - Take Five (Time Out)

Most of the material was CD based and listened to in two-channel mode in order to get a clear image of how these sounded by themselves, although I did use the 5.1 tracks of the DVDs to get a sample presentation of their use as small mains in the event one would like to use these in a budget setup. Though two-channel mode was used, I did incorporate a sub as I (as well as much of Audioholic's review staff has repeatedly noted) would not suggest any speakers of this size and capabilities in a two-channel/home theater environment with the use of one unless light duty was their focus. While some may want to use these w/out a complementary subwoofer, I decided that the vast majority interested in these would do so with.

Based on extensive listening of the material noted above, the P6-PRs seemed to have a good soundstage and separation based on their size and FR. I felt the midrange was somewhat pronounced, quite similar to other Infinity speakers I've owned in the past. The upper frequencies were slightly sibilant (female vocals, cymbals, etc.) at higher volumes, however I believe only during critical listening would this be noticeable. For their size and stated frequency response, I felt the P6-PRs had decent bass response, not as tight as other 6.5"s I've owned and listened to, but not a quibble at this price point. From what I've been able to gather, the P6-PRs seemed to perform best with rock material, doing well on techno also. I chose not to drive the P6-PRs too terribly loud or for extended periods, but for the average louder listening levels (up to ~85dB), they handled the power provided well without much noticeable compression. I also performed some brief testing of these with a few movies (The Incredibles, Master & Commander, Kill Bill, Vol. 1) and the results were similiar to what I've noted for music, though due to the incorporation of 5.1 and the lack of a timbre matched front soundstage, I was less critical in this scenario than I would be in an evaluation of a full 5.1 set.

As for the comparison results, I have had the CR65s for a couple of years now and been satisfied for their use in their setup, I was quite familiar with their performance. In A/B'ing the two speakers during several runs of the same tracks, I found the CR65s did not quite have the same separation and offer as wide a soundstage as the P6-PRs. The bass response from the CR65s were not quite as deep, though the bass produced was tight. Some of this may be due to the size difference in the woofers (5 1/4" for the CR65s, 6 1/2" for the P6-PRs), but the FR for the TSCs are slightly lower at 60Hz whereas the BAs are listed at 65Hz, so this would make sense. I did prefer the higher frequency response of the CR65s as opposed to the P6-PRs as well as the slightly more laidback midrange, but this is more subjective and is my preference, so your mileage may vary.

Those looking for an inexpensive pair of mains, surrounds or light duty stand-alones, I'm relatively positive the TSC P6-PRs should provide as a suitable solution and would feel confident recommending these as such. While aesthetically the P6-PRs aren't works of art, they aren't distracting, either. The fact that TSC offers free shipping and a 30-day money back guarantee on any of their speaker offerings, I can't see why one wouldn't consider, at the very least, evaluating these in their home to see if they're right for your needs.

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Equipment used:
Emotiva MMC-1 Preamplifier/Processor
Sunfire Cinema Grand 200~five Amplifier
Boston Acoustics VR12 (C)
Boston Acoustics VRXs (SS)
Yamaha DVD-C750 Universal DVD Changer
Phillips BDP9000 Blu-ray DVD Player
(2) TC12-OEM DIY Subwoofers
Belkin PureAV Home Theater Power Console PF31
Tripp Lite HT10DBS Isobar Surge Suppressor
Adcom GFS-3 speaker selector
 
J

Johnd

Audioholic Samurai
Interesting, Tom. So as an economy bookshelf no trepidation in your recommendation.

I see that you listed a dozen or so cd's, and that you would most probably want to couple these with a sub. Would you consider them musical (you mentioned Infinity and BA)? Or possibly five of them set up for ht?
 
tomd51

tomd51

Audioholic General
In my own experience, I've found that if you find speakers to your liking with either two-channel or multichannel music listing, you're very likely to find them just as appealing for movie soundtrack reproduction, conversely not always the case.

Would I consider them "musical"? Not sure exactly what you're asking, but if it's would I consider them worthwhile speakers for musical listening based on their price point, form factor and performance? Sure, I would. Have I heard better in a similar size speaker at a higher price point? I sure have, but as I mentioned similarly in my review, based on your needs, budget and other factors (WAF, room size, listening preferences, etc.), I would put these on your list if you're looking for a decent sized bookshelf on a limited budget and aesthetics aren't at the top of your list.

A set of five of these or four couple w/one of their LCRs for a center would be a decent set for a small to moderately sized room while maintaining a strict budget... -TD
 
pzaur

pzaur

Audioholic Samurai
Just to quickly explain my other posts...
Cables - their was a heated discussion about cables that started off about what and how much you spent with some snide remarks added in. That thread is appropriately locked.

As for my garage - I've got a very nice set of fronts in my great room that do wonderfully. I'm in no hurry to replace these any time in the distant future. I am however, looking for a pair of inexpensive, decent sounding speakers for my garage. It's hot, but not humid, and I spend a lot of time playing darts out there year long.

If they don't last for more than a year or two I wouldn't feel put-off about replacing them. I'm looking at money on this only.

Tomd51 - nice review! I'll have to continue following this company. Looks like some real potential for not so much in cost.

-pat
 
tomd51

tomd51

Audioholic General
Thks for the explanation on the 'cables' thread Pat, I thought you were referring something I posted. Little slow on the draw sometimes, sorry for the confusion... ;)

As for the P6-PRs, they are definitely worthy of consideration for low-cost to performance speaker. I suppose if you wanted to use these for your garage and deep bass response wasn't a priority, these would do just fine... -TD
 
bdmac97

bdmac97

Audiophyte
How would you say these compare to typical HTIB speakers like what comes with the Onkyo HT-SR800 (if you are familiar with that)??
 
tomd51

tomd51

Audioholic General
From what typical HTIB speakers I've heard, they are a step up. As for the speakers included with the Onkyo HT-SR800, I can't comment as I personally have not heard them.

Based on the specs of the mains of the HT-SR800, they should perform similarly, but because speaker preference is so subjective, you'd have to hear them yourself to know if they're right for you.

As TSC provides free shipping and prepaid shipping on any returns within the first 30 days, taking some of their speakers for a test drive is pretty painless. The only thing you'd be out is the time you spend listening to them. If that's the only downside, I think you're doin' alright... ;) -TD
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
Excellent review overall - thank you. :) Sounds like we have a contender in the low budget recommendations category. Hell, I might pick up a pair of these just to toy around with myself, just for the heck of it.

Anyway, much appreciation for your time and detail on this one! ;)
 

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