Trolling 201: Advanced Flooshing

[Sheep]

It's not even a contest...the Infinities+sub are geometrically better than any sat system you can find, and amazingly, they are CHEAPER!! These are once in a lifetime prices on the Infinity Primus 150 speakers, Ventwood.

Feel free to take a poll amongst the thousands of members here on Audioholics and you'll get a 99% 'go' for the Infinities over the others. But don't delay too long. They've been selling out at stores.

Now, all that said, Rob is exactly right, the sound may not be to your liking. How important is your budget? There are a bazillion different priorities to worry about. But my recommendation, if this is your general budget for speakers, is for you to buy these Infinities RIGHT NOW while they are on this close-out sale. Return them later if you don't like them. I believe Circuit City has a generous return policy. (I have no connection to CC.)

I'll say it one more time....these are MUCH better performing speakers than the sat systems you've been looking at. Further, member WnMx has put out some cheap, DIY, minor modifications that will improve their performance nicely (another thread).

(This is an 'inside' joke....but if you ask again, I'm going to start calling you rak_32. )

Easy Tiger (RAWR!),

The Speakers are better, but not that sub. I heard that exact sub a day ago, and I was not impressed. He'd be better off getting an STF-1.

RJ, how are those STF-1s?

SheepStar

 

[Tomorrow]

Easy Tiger (RAWR!),

The Speakers are better, but not that sub. I heard that exact sub a day ago, and I was not impressed. He'd be better off getting an STF-1.

RJ, how are those STF-1s?

SheepStar

Down, wolfie.

The STF-1 IS the thing to buy (for a small sub)...but it doesn't come with a $146 price tag. Look again, and you'll see that I said "if this is your general budget for speakers".... You are correct, however. The Infinity is not a really robust sub.

EDIT: What does RAWR mean?

 

[Ron Temple]

If you are interested in sats, take a look at these, they are discontinued, but very decent...the sub that comes with it is equivalent of the Mini-vee, an $800 sub.

http://www.velodyne.com/velodyne/products/ob_product_detail.aspx?ID=DECO&sid=202n810e

These are a 5.0 system that are getting excellent reviews at AVS. You'd have to find a sub.

http://www.velodyne.com/velodyne/products/ob_product_detail.aspx?ID=CHTFRSGV&sid=202n810e

Just a couple of good deals and food for thought.

 

[mike c]

EDIT: What does RAWR mean?

canadian sound for a tiger roar?

"RAWR eh"

 

[Darth Mike]

So... Just how big IS your room? I heard throughout the thread, 30x30, 25x30, and 15x20....there is a large amout of margin of error there, kinda like buying beer and telling the clerk your age is between 12 and 120 yrs. old.



If all else fails read my sig, and buy the damn polks..... but be prepared for an awakening that buying by name brand doesn't get you anywhere. My system comprised of components found in the trash would KILL many sub/sat setups under $600.

 

[jonnythan]

If all else fails read my sig,

Your spelling is lacking as much as your system!

psssst. It's "virile"

I do love "man of phallic triumph" though, and will certainly incorporate the phrase into my lexicon!

 

[ventwood0]

OK, my room is aprox 15 x 20. Will using the Prius 150 for a center be as good as using a Real Infinity center speaker? Any suggestions for a sub to go along with the infinitys?

 

[Sheep]

OK, my room is aprox 15 x 20. Will using the Prius 150 for a center be as good as using a Real Infinity center speaker? Any suggestions for a sub to go along with the infinitys?

It will be better.

SheepStar

 

[Tomorrow]

OK, my room is aprox 15 x 20. Will using the Prius 150 for a center be as good as using a Real Infinity center speaker? Any suggestions for a sub to go along with the infinitys?

As Sheep noted, the Hsu STF-1 is a fine sub...probably the best of the small, affordable subs. Several of us have owned them and speak highly of them. They have lots of slam, spl's, and will get you sonics down below 30 Hz. It is superior to the Infinity, but costs twice as much. Is it twice as good? That would be your call. Maybe. To me the sub is key in an HT experience. If you have the extra cash, the STF-1 would be recommended.

And yes, the Primus 150 will make a fine center channel speaker.

 

[Tomorrow]

canadian sound for a tiger roar?

"RAWR eh"

LOL eh. Thanks, Mike. I thought it was some Z-gen acronym for something like Really Awesome Written Report.

 

[Sheep]

LOL eh. Thanks, Mike. I thought it was some Z-gen acronym for something like Really Awesome Written Report.

Yes, it was a growl noise. Cause you're a tiger, remembah?

SheepStar

 

[Tomorrow]

Ventwood,

For your sub...I saw this on Ubid today. I'm not familiar with Martin Logan subs, but their speakers are the bees knees. Maybe someone with familiarity to the unit will chime in. The price is pretty incredible.

Check it out --->
http://www.ubid.com/MartinLogan_Dynamo_Front-Firing_Down-Firing_Subwoofer/a800934578.html

 

[jonnythan]

200 watts, 10" aluminum driver, sealed design, 200 watts, 25-120Hz +/- 3dB.

Sounds like a winner to me.

 

[mulester7]

.....it would appear there are persons just getting into this hobby reading this thread....don't be misled by some discussion that is going on about subs....a sub is meant to ONLY be an extension of the main's regiment speakers, be they 2.0, 3.0, 5.0, 6.0, or 7.0....subs are supposed to blend with the main's regiment and take it on to the bottom, whatever the sub's bottom might be, making it sound like it's the main's regiment that is taking it to the bottom....subs are not supposed to stand out over the main's regiment, period....now with that said, we've all been tempted to really crank a sub right at first, and all of us have given in to the temptation making the sub a solo act with main's regiment accompaniment.....but, we usually then learn with ear training to want to avoid a heavy bottom which brings a muddiness to the overall....go for CLEAN, CLEAN, CLEAN SONICALLY, from the ceiling to the floor of your chamber....only then do you have a shot at achieving "live presence".....

.....Guys, it's been said over and over at this site the most important part of your system is the main's regiment speakers....they are what will determine your being thrilled with your system for a long time impending the desire to employ costly upgrades....do yourself a favor up front, and assign a sub a degree of lesser importance....I'm not saying a sub should not be quality or a cheap one will get you by, but go for the main's regiment first....and we all hear differently as Moderator Rob Babcock most aptly pointed out....If At All Possible, get off that butt and get out and listen to speakers you might be considering....one man's trash is indeed another man's treasure....take a VERY familiar CD with you to use in comparing speakers....

 

[Tomorrow]

I have to disagree with you here, Mulester. A lousy sub can RUIN the presentation of great speakers (main's regiment as you put it). A great sub can uplift the presentation of lousy speakers.... All this even if you have them integrated correctly. The reverse is not necessarily true.

Given the OP's room size and budget, I still recommend the Primus 150s and (since he rejected the dual Infinity sub idea) an Hsu STF-1 (or possibly that Martin Logan). The sub and mains are well matched, me thinks.

 

[mulester7]

I have to disagree with you here, Mulester. A lousy sub can RUIN the presentation of great speakers (main's regiment as you put it). A great sub can uplift the presentation of lousy speakers.... All this even if you have them integrated correctly. The reverse is not necessarily true.

Given the OP's room size and budget, I still recommend the Primus 150s and (since he rejected the dual Infinity sub idea) an Hsu STF-1 (or possibly that Martin Logan). The sub and mains are well matched, me thinks.

.....and who said a lousy sub is what one wants under any conditions?....I said the main's regiment should receive the most priority and I continue to stand on that statement....you said a great sub can uplift lousy speakers....I would tend to disagree with that considering a sub should only be an extension of the main's regiment....Gene, break out the gloves.....

 

[Darth Mike]

OK, my room is aprox 15 x 20. Will using the Prius 150 for a center be as good as using a Real Infinity center speaker? Any suggestions for a sub to go along with the infinitys?

Yes the Infinity Primus 150 will be BETTER than the "dedicated center" of that polk HTIB or even a primus center, the MTM design of most centers actually kill dispersion. Also, other than that there is a extra midrange in a "real center", there is no difference in the design of the driver compliment of a left, right, or center speaker provided they are all the same series. The extra midrange in a MTM center is there to strengthen the speakers ability to produce the dialog of a movie sountrack but with lower end speakers it isn't worth the tradeoff of less dispertion. As for the sub...get the STF-1 or dual Infinity PSW-10s, there's a short answer.


*MTM = Midrange Tweeter Midrange configuration.

Your spelling is lacking as much as your system!

psssst. It's "virile"

I do love "man of phallic triumph" though, and will certainly incorporate the phrase into my lexicon!

I am glad you like my phrase...




I fixed my spelling for you as well....

 

[Tomorrow]

.....and who said a lousy sub is what one wants under any conditions?....I said the main's regiment should receive the most priority and I continue to stand on that statement....you said a great sub can uplift lousy speakers....I would tend to disagree with that considering a sub should only be an extension of the main's regiment....Gene, break out the gloves.....

By extension of your discussion, one can take any kind of sub... and either ruin, extend, or enhance the sound of the speakers by virtue of the quality of that sub you buy. My point is that, for this very reason, the sub is equally, if not more important than the (subjective/objective) quality of the other speakers, principly the L/C/R.

If you listen to 2.0 music, or 5.0 HT, then you are correct. If you listen to 2.1 music, then any kind of sub that doesn't adequately extend the quality of the mains, has a detrimental effect upon the overall music you're hearing from your ("priority received") mains. The same holds true with 5.1, 6.1, 7.1 home theater audio.

One should try to match mains (that one likes and can afford) and sub quality, not "give priority" to mains. And we don't need Gene's gloves. I have a cream pie in my hand right now....awaitin'....

 

[mulester7]

dual Infinity PSW-10s.

.....good post, Darth, and I would go with two subs of the same line that are 10 inch over a single 8....but, from what I've read here at this site, I would go with two Hsu 1's over two of the Infinity 10's....two subs for $600 ain't bad, trust me, I wish I could have gotten out for that....I love two subs in the front soundstage....and, let us never forget the immortal words of Patrick Henry spoken in 1775....

On March 23, 1775, the American patriot Patrick Henry gave a speech to his fellow Virginians in St. John's Church in Richmond, where the Virginia legislature was meeting at the time. The speech is famous for the closing line, "I KNOW NOT WHAT COURSE OTHERS MAY TAKE; BUT AS FOR ME, GIVE ME TWO SUBS IN THE FRONT SOUNDSTAGE, OR GIVE ME DEATH!"

 

[majorloser]

Mulester,

You're one of the LAST persons on this forum that I would expect to hear say that subwoofers aren't that important.

Say, how many of those monster SVS's subs do you have?

BTW: I like three subs on the front soundstage.