The Right To Bear Arms

[sploo]

No one else has said it so I will Guns don't kill; people do. If they don't have a gun, they will use whatever they can find. People have always killed. They unfortunately always will. It goes back to Cain and Able.

Whilst that's strictly true, if you're carrying a knife, I can run. If you're carrying a screwdriver or a bottle, I can throw a chair at you. If you're carrying a gun, I'm in trouble (as is anyone else within a reasonable radius).

A gun is a weapon, not a tool - it is specifically designed to fire a fast moving projectile which breaks/injures/maims or kills anything it hits.

I'm not a pacifist, I just believe that ordinary people really have no use for guns - and I certainly don't feel comfortable around people who are carrying.

 

[RJB]

HookedOnSound...

Your post is very valid and all 7 of your points are currently, to some degree, the way the law is structured in Canada.

For me, the big issue is the lack of police resources to enforce the law as it stands along with the obvious need for much harsher penalties for illegal firearms use.

A note on your 7th point, fully automatic firearms have been prohibited in Canada since 1978. When the law changed at that time there was a provision for "grand fathering" owners ( read certified collectors ) of automatic firearms. Since then nobody who didn't already have a fully automatic firearm has been legally able to obtain them.

As long as the collector has at least one automatic firearm in their collection they can continue to buy, sell & trade with other certified collectors. Once they dispose of their last automatic firearm, that's it...no more EVER. Finally, once the collector dies, that's the end ( in more ways than one ) as well. Any automatic firearms basically become government property and are turned over to the authorities for destruction.

These collectors have severe restrictions regarding the storage of these firearms are getting a permit to transport them is virtually impossible.

I know one of these collectors quite well. He used to own a firing range and gun club and had his firearms registered to and stored at the club. We had some interesting evenings with a few of the regular members after hours...

 

[Tomorrow]

Whilst that's strictly true, if you're carrying a knife, I can run. If you're carrying a screwdriver or a bottle, I can throw a chair at you.

You apparently are not a 70 year old grandmother.

 

[shokhead]

So someone gave me a red mark for not liking guns. LMAO. Hope you shoot your foot off whoever it was.

 

[majorloser]

So someone gave me a red mark for not liking guns. LMAO. Hope you shoot your foot off whoever it was.

Sorry SHOK, wasn't me!

Everytime I see this thread I keep thinking about the old joke, "The right to arm bears". Keep picturing a grizzly with a rifle.

 

[majorloser]

DAMN IT!

Now I got a red from some gun hater.........SHOKHEAD????????

 

[jaxvon]

People are such whiners. This is the true meaning of the Second Amendment:

 

[sploo]

You apparently are not a 70 year old grandmother.

How do you know?

My basic point is, of course, that a bottle, screwdriver, and even quite a few types of knives, have perfectly harmless uses. You could attack someone with just about anything heavy, solid or sharp, but a gun is designed to damage, and does it very well.

A few people have made the point that cops need guns. This is true, but only because lots of dangerous people also have them, but I understand that a lot of cops get shot with their own gun (taken from them in a scuffle with, a probably unarmed, person). I just think we'd all be better off with no guns in public.

Here in the UK it's pretty rare to see anyone armed, unless you're in the Brixton area of London and into drugs...

 

[Tomorrow]

How do you know?

My basic point is, of course, that a bottle, screwdriver, and even quite a few types of knives, have perfectly harmless uses. You could attack someone with just about anything heavy, solid or sharp, but a gun is designed to damage, and does it very well...

Thank goodness. Otherwise we'd still be chasing down our venison with spears and ducks with rocks.

 

[shokhead]

DAMN IT!

Now I got a red from some gun hater.........SHOKHEAD????????

I dont do anyone,any color.

 

[Resident Loser]

I may be mistaken...

...but one of the reasons for the second amendment is to help an armed citizenry protect itself FROM the government...

And as far as taxing ammo, you can make ALL the required components from readily available items with a minimal investment in tools...especially for black-powder weapons...

jimHJJ(...lock and load...)

 

[stizach]

How do you know?

My basic point is, of course, that a bottle, screwdriver, and even quite a few types of knives, have perfectly harmless uses. You could attack someone with just about anything heavy, solid or sharp, but a gun is designed to damage, and does it very well.

A few people have made the point that cops need guns. This is true, but only because lots of dangerous people also have them, but I understand that a lot of cops get shot with their own gun (taken from them in a scuffle with, a probably unarmed, person). I just think we'd all be better off with no guns in public.

Here in the UK it's pretty rare to see anyone armed, unless you're in the Brixton area of London and into drugs...

While yes it would be great to be in a world where there are no guns allowed in public but in reality this will never happend so as long as criminals have guns I will have a registered firearm to protect my self

 

[shokhead]

Of course it wont happen so way stiffer laws to buy them,stiffer laws if you use one to rob or whatever like life in prison but the bleeding hearts would never let that law pass. Hell i can rape a 10 year old and be out in a few months so life for using a gun wont pass.

 

[mulester7]

.....Gentlemen, this is the steam vent....there should be no red chicklets given, nor green, imo....the chicklet system was devised for audio and video advice or service rendered working the counters up top.....

 

[STRONGBADF1]

...but one of the reasons for the second amendment is to help an armed citizenry protect itself FROM the government...

It's THE reason. It goes hand in hand with the right to assemble. In England The King and other people in power didn't like angry mobs or free speech because it could lead to rebellion. There were laws that limited the size of gatherings.


Anyway, just one question...Have anybody here ever been shot or know someone who has?

The reason I ask is my best friend from childhood and one of my best friends as an adult (same person) was shot and killed by a 14 year old boy. MY buddy at that time was 30 years old. (He had no kids thank goodness!)

I wrestle with this gun control thing every time I here of a gun related crime. That being said I believe that American citizens without a criminal record or mental illness should be allowed to own and use guns of almost any kind. Kind of contradictory I know but I have always been able to hold true two conflicting thoughts at the same time. (A blessing and a curse)

I miss my friend dearly but he would tell me to stop being a _________!(Insert your favorite insult)

 

[goodman]

Anyway, just one question...Have anybody here ever been shot or know someone who has?

I knew a cabbie who died of gun shot wounds sustained in a robbery. I've had firearms pointed at me twice by persons who had neither the maturity or mental stability to be allowed possession of a firearm.

 

[mustang_steve]

Thanks for cutting out the part of the sentence. If a robber, theif, crook, whatever floats your boat, sees you with a gun, and takes it from you, your screwed, literally, they will screw your gun into you using a hole in your body and then shoot....shoot to kill.

Someone, is generally not a deer, or animal. I don't know about you, but im not a fan of PETA.

If no one in the public had guns....NO ONE, the police would be a feared force no? This can be done, but most of you chant "From my cold dead hands!"


Sheep

True, but the reason the second amendment exists is so we DON'T fear the police. Basically it means, that we are on similar grounds as the forces that govern us.

Reason for this, is historical....if you look in history, particularly in Asia, where in feudal times peaseants were not allowed to own weapons....they had to make improvised weaponry. The nunchaku, the tonfa, even the idea of the cane-sword all originated from that area....heck Tai Chi was actually a form of combat training done so slow that it ended up looking like a meditative dance. Basically, they had to hide everything.....hiding is not freedom.

Pretty much, we just need to ensure those who abuse this freeom to infringe upon others learns a very hard lesson. However we should not penalize the honest man by putting him at a disadvantage against the common robber.

The problem is simply a matter of community....everyone feels it's them vs the world, and they end up doing just that. Maybe instead of thinking about one's self, we should start thinking about each other...only hard part is a system like that only works if everyone is involved.

 

[Mort Corey]

True, but the reason the second amendment exists is so we DON'T fear the police. Basically it means, that we are on similar grounds as the forces that govern us.

Well said. Like the old adage...God created man but Sam Colt made them equal.

Mort

 

[mulester7]

.....I think the heaviest rules and registerings are when it appears someone is going to carry/pack heat, and that's good, but anyone can walk into a convenient store with a pistol from Wal-Mart as it is now, or use a pistol that's been in the family for 100 years....but, the saturation of handguns among the citizenry in these United States is so great, how could you wipe that out, except door-to-door, which ain't likely....maybe the laws are about all they can be....or could the selling of new handguns anywhere, get much tougher and more restrictive?....there's been some great posts in this thread, imo.....

 

[ironlung]

Who am I? "I want the government to hold my hand for everything"

I too am unconvinced by the need for gun ownership. To me it's a little like the arguments people make about not wearing seatbelts in cars - they recite a tale about an aunt's-third-husband's-brother's-dog who was thrown from a crashing car and survived, and would probably have died in the car had they been wearing a belt. Of course, statistically they're massively more likely to die by not wear a belt.

Who cares about stats. It's about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. If I want to smash my face against my windsheild and/or impale my internal organs on my steering wheel...as Bobby Brown once said "It's my prerogative".

Why do you care if I die in an accdent?

Seatbelt use should be a checkbox on insurance forms like tobacco user is. NOT A LAW! By the way I do wear my seatbelt and it has nothing to do with what the law says.

Careless gun owners hurt their friends and familys. Guns just don't go off all by themselves.