The Fast and The Furious: Toyko Drift

[majorloser]

There are TWO replacements for displacement - FORCED INDUCTION and WEIGHT REDUCTION

They're NOT replacements. Just equallizers to a naturally aspirated V-8.

Add both of those to a big block along with nitro methane and you're talking!

AHHHHH, the smell of nitro in the morning.

BTW- I drive a '98 Dodge Ram SST on weekends. Otherwise a company Chevy POS during the week.

 

[Sheep]

Gonna wait for the DVD on this one... I have a KA24DE head to rebuild

If I were you, I'd see it in the theater. You need a BIG screen for this one.
EDIT: I just finished downloading the soundtrack. Damn, some great party/driving songs!
SheepStar

 

[j_garcia]

They're NOT replacements. Just equallizers to a naturally aspirated V-8.

Yes, "substitutes" not replacements...

Add both of those to a big block along with nitro methane and you're talking!

Yep, I didn't say the same couldn't be done to a small or big block, but the point was, displacement isn't the only way to go fast.

 

[majorloser]

displacement isn't the only way to go fast.

But it is the ULTIMATE

 

[The Dukester]

But it is the ULTIMATE

TF&TF one...Dodge Charger, blower out da hood, fat tires on the back, wheel stand off the line...Doh! Woody again!!!

Have to agree with all the V8/rear drive folks. My '70 Monte has a stroked small block (388) right now, but those 427, 434 or even possibly 454 small blocks have me licking my chops. New HT, big inch small block. New HT, big inch small block. Decisions, decisions! If only I could find a machine shop around here that would do good quality block work. I've had two shops screw up blocks three times.

As far as handling, I love to see the tuner boys come up on my rear when taking the entrance ramp onto the interstate. With my suspension mods, sticky tires and V8 power, I just mash the loud pedal and leave them in the dust. They can't usually keep up on the curves or the straightaway even though I outweigh them by close to 1000 lbs.

 

[Cavediver]

EDIT: I just finished downloading the soundtrack. Damn, some great party/driving songs!
SheepStar

I really liked tracks 2, 10, 11, & 12 of the soundtrack. All 4 really give my sub a good workout, expecially tracks 11 & 12.

 

[Sheep]

TF&TF one...Dodge Charger, blower out da hood, fat tires on the back, wheel stand off the line...Doh! Woody again!!!

Have to agree with all the V8/rear drive folks. My '70 Monte has a stroked small block (388) right now, but those 427, 434 or even possibly 454 small blocks have me licking my chops. New HT, big inch small block. New HT, big inch small block. Decisions, decisions! If only I could find a machine shop around here that would do good quality block work. I've had two shops screw up blocks three times.

As far as handling, I love to see the tuner boys come up on my rear when taking the entrance ramp onto the interstate. With my suspension mods, sticky tires and V8 power, I just mash the loud pedal and leave them in the dust. They can't usually keep up on the curves or the straightaway even though I outweigh them by close to 1000 lbs.

OK duke,

Now that you said THAT(in bold), you HAVE to see this movie(Hope I'm not giving anything away )

Cavedriver,

You don't like track 1?! Its my guilty pleasure track. Why I was just listening to it on the way home as I beat some guy in a lincoln. I agree though, track 11 has some nice bass (and not bad for rap).

SheepStar

 

[Cavediver]

Cavedriver,

You don't like track 1?! Its my guilty pleasure track. Why I was just listening to it on the way home as I beat some guy in a lincoln. I agree though, track 11 has some nice bass (and not bad for rap).

SheepStar

Yes, I like track 1. The four tracks I mentioned are my favorites.

 

[ironlung]

My Death ride

As far as handling, I love to see the tuner boys come up on my rear when taking the entrance ramp onto the interstate. With my suspension mods, sticky tires and V8 power, I just mash the loud pedal and leave them in the dust. They can't usually keep up on the curves or the straightaway even though I outweigh them by close to 1000 lbs.

I have a 1997 Camaro SS. It will do 0-60 in about 5.5sec 60-110 about the same. The only mods are SLP headers, Hypertech reprogrammer and a 3.73 rear end. For about two years ('98-'00 or so) I ran Kumho Victoracers on the street(dot legal competition rubber 50 treadwear as opposed to 2-300 for a real street tire). Once a ricer was trying to hang on a cloverleaf and he almost understeered into a concrete wall trying to keep up.

Cornering at 1G plus is a little unexpected(and foolish in hindsight) on the street.

I attempted a top speed run once and I lost my nerve at 140mph. She was still pulling. Another time I went by a speed trap at about 100 mashed it up to 130 for about 7 miles made my exit and never saw the fuzz. Ahhhh the foolishness of youth. I guess I'm lucky to be alive(not really). I should say the people around me are lucky to be alive!


Don't get me wrong I think the SRT-4's and STI WRX's are slick as can be. I was at an autocross school as an instructor and my student had a regular WRX. It was raining(pouring) that weekend and he could dump the clutch at 3000rpm and launch like a rocket. My SS was spinning the tires with a whisper of gas at the start. AWD is very very good!


I just have to wonder how durable the maxed out 4 bangers are. I have a 5.7 liter V-8 cranking aound 330-350HP and 6000 rpm redline. About 60 HP per liter. Now take a Acura RSX type-s it has a 2 liter I-4, 200HP and a 8000-9000 rpm redline. 100 HP per liter. The STI WRX is worse 2.5 liter forced induction with +300HP and people boosting them into the 400's without beefing up the bottom end. My V-8 would have to be pumping out 700-800HP to be that stressed.

 

[Sheep]

I have a 1997 Camaro SS. It will do 0-60 in about 5.5sec 60-110 about the same. The only mods are SLP headers, Hypertech reprogrammer and a 3.73 rear end. For about two years ('98-'00 or so) I ran Kumho Victoracers on the street(dot legal competition rubber 50 treadwear as opposed to 2-300 for a real street tire). Once a ricer was trying to hang on a cloverleaf and he almost understeered into a concrete wall trying to keep up.

Cornering at 1G plus is a little unexpected(and foolish in hindsight) on the street.

I attempted a top speed run once and I lost my nerve at 140mph. She was still pulling. Another time I went by a speed trap at about 100 mashed it up to 130 for about 7 miles made my exit and never saw the fuzz. Ahhhh the foolishness of youth. I guess I'm lucky to be alive(not really). I should say the people around me are lucky to be alive!


Don't get me wrong I think the SRT-4's and STI WRX's are slick as can be. I was at an autocross school as an instructor and my student had a regular WRX. It was raining(pouring) that weekend and he could dump the clutch at 3000rpm and launch like a rocket. My SS was spinning the tires with a whisper of gas at the start. AWD is very very good!


I just have to wonder how durable the maxed out 4 bangers are. I have a 5.7 liter V-8 cranking aound 330-350HP and 6000 rpm redline. About 60 HP per liter. Now take a Acura RSX type-s it has a 2 liter I-4, 200HP and a 8000-9000 rpm redline. 100 HP per liter. The STI WRX is worse 2.5 liter forced induction with +300HP and people boosting them into the 400's without beefing up the bottom end. My V-8 would have to be pumping out 700-800HP to be that stressed.

I don't know about 4 bangers, but an R34 Skyline can easily work its way up to 600Hp with no internal mods. Mind you, its not your everyday car.

Honda S2000 is a 2.0 liter with 245-250hp. Hard to think of powerful 4 bangers...

SheepStar

 

[ironlung]

I don't know about 4 bangers, but an R34 Skyline can easily work its way up to 600Hp with no internal mods. Mind you, its not your everyday car.

Honda S2000 is a 2.0 liter with 245-250hp. Hard to think of powerful 4 bangers...

SheepStar

I know I have the detroit Iron but I give props to the asian sports cars. I wish my SS handled half as well of an S2000.


It's not hard to believe the 4cyl power, enough boost/nitrous and or rpms and the skys the limit. My point is the 300HP 2 liter is closer to the edge than the 300HP 6 liter. On that S2000 it's like 250HP at 8000rpm right. That's seems fragile. On an 89 iroc z it's 250HP at 4500rpm if I had to guess.

Witch will go chernobyl first? I can guess.

BTW S2000 very sweet ride.

 

[Matt34]

The stock bottom end on the 2.4L in the SRT-4 are proven to be reliable up to 500 whp.

I for one will never have more than 350hp in mine. There's just so much hp/torque a FWD car on street tires can handle.

 

[The Dukester]

OK duke,

Now that you said THAT(in bold), you HAVE to see this movie(Hope I'm not giving anything away )


SheepStar

Thanks, Sheep! You may have given a little away, but also may have talked me into goiing. Might have to see Superman first, though. I think it comes out this weekend, which will be the first time I will be able to hit the theatre.

 

[The Dukester]

There's just so much hp/torque a FWD car on street tires can handle.

NOW you hit the nail on the head. I have seen street cars with 1000hp that I could beat from stoplight to stoplight j/b they sit there and spin and I stick. All the hp in the world won't do you any good unless you can put it to the pavement.

I used to run Goodyear Eagle STs, 15 inch on 8 inch Corvette rallys on my Monte. I could be going 30 in first, nail the throtle and just melt the rear tires (yes tires; I have posi traction) even with just 20 lbs of air in them. I switched to 17 inch wheels with Goodrich KDWS G-force T/As and they stick when punching it at only 15-20 with full pressure. Straight off the line they will break loose, though. So far I am pretty impressed with these tires.

 

[Sheep]

Thanks, Sheep! You may have given a little away, but also may have talked me into goiing. Might have to see Superman first, though. I think it comes out this weekend, which will be the first time I will be able to hit the theatre.

I'll tease you a little bit.

"509 cubic inch Bill Mitchell crate motor."

 

[Sheep]

It's not hard to believe the 4cyl power, enough boost/nitrous and or rpms and the skys the limit. My point is the 300HP 2 liter is closer to the edge than the 300HP 6 liter. On that S2000 it's like 250HP at 8000rpm right. That's seems fragile. On an 89 iroc z it's 250HP at 4500rpm if I had to guess.

Just because it revs higher doesn't mean its worse. Why, I think being able to rev higher would make it better. Don't have to shift so much

SheepStar

 

[j_garcia]

Those little 4s are designed to spin that high - Honda learned a lot about how to do this from motorcycles and F1. I shifted my R at 9100RPM nearly every time... and prior to that, my GSR had a modified ECU allowing me to shift it at 8600 - that car had 100K mi on it and it held compression and pulled hard for a 4.

The problem with the small displacement, high revving motors is that you have to really hustle them and keep them in the powerband to get that performance, and the FWD is also a pentalty in my book. Great for daily driving, but not what I want to take to the track. I don't want a track car for the street and I don't want a street car for the track...

I like the feel of AWD (it is kind of weird in some cars), but RWD is the way to go IMO. That is why I chose my 240 - cheap, 50/50 weight ballance, relatively light, and a good torque for a 4 cyl. It is fun and agile - so easy to toss around and drive through corners. With a FWD (without an LSD), you have to wait for the car to take a set and sort of be gentle on the throttle, particularly with higher HP cars, to keep it from understeering. I found this out with my 97 turbo Eclipse, and quickly got rid of it. With a RWD, you can control the attitude of the car with the throttle more or less - in a well setup car, you don't have to be gentle with the throttle, high power or not. As long as the tires hold on, you can carry more speed through corners more easily, IMO.

 

[The Dukester]

I'll tease you a little bit.

"509 cubic inch Bill Mitchell crate motor."

You are really a wolf in sheep's clothing. Is that yours?! Sweet! What is that in? I have actually been looking at a Bill Mithcel big inch small block since I can't find a decent machine shop around here to prep a block for me to build.

 

[Sheep]

You are really a wolf in sheep's clothing. Is that yours?! Sweet! What is that in? I have actually been looking at a Bill Mithcel big inch small block since I can't find a decent machine shop around here to prep a block for me to build.

Actually,

That is the exact Monte Carlo from TFTF Tokyo Drift...

Still wanna see superman first?

SheepStar

 

[The Dukester]

I just looked a little closer at the valve covers on that engine...it says 632. Holy Big Block, Batman! That puppy puts out 900 hp and 725 pound feet of tourque