Tekton Enzo - The most inexpensive speakers that is in the league with high-end speaker

[Grador]

The last comment, like I said, if you said that to my face that way you did, i'd break your face in plain and simple.

Unless I could show you a few pro reviews that showed that my face was best unpunched, then I'm sure you'd change your mind and order 3.

 

[fuzz092888]

Nice, going DIY. It does save up alot of money.. How much did you pay for the Phil 3's?

Well it does and it doesn't. You may be able to get speakers that are the equal to commercial speakers costing much more than you spent on drivers and crossover components, but the tradeoff is in the building and finishing. Time, money, and quite a few botched projects before you acquire the skills to build anything worth looking at. Not to mention the never ending tool buying. In the end, it doesn't save you much, if anything, but gets you speakers that can look any way you darn well want them to and put more expensive commercial speakers to shame.

I'm an early adopter. Mine were about $3500-3700 with a few non standard items and including shipping.

 

[chaluga]

They are my opinions. I did witness a difference in video quality when switching from one HDMI cable to another. All those companies that invest with their own money to make a "pricier" video cable or audio cable are not stupid. They are not trying to "fool" or "sucker" you, they invested a whole lot of money themselves to make them. If they didnt wholeheardely believe in their product, that cables DO make a difference, how can they possibly even begin production of such product investing their own money?

They wholeheartedly believe in taking your hard earned cash

I am assuming that a casual viewer (like your wife or girl at home) who just watches just to watch a couple minutes or an hour a day just to relax wouldnt care enough to see the difference..

I wish I or my wife were casual viewers. We watch about 10 movies a month at home and countless tv shows. My mid-section doesn't think I am casual

BUT then there's the rest of those who are videophilles, or audiophilles, who are zoned in and CAN tell the difference in small details, and by that makes their day better, then I can see that it DOES matter... I think it is the very audiphilles or videophilles who end up investing and beggining production for "higher-end" audio/video cables, and the very audiophille/videophille consumer's who buys those products anyway..


About the Youtube Videos, like I said, just my opinion and i heard what I heard and "it is what it is" for what its worth.


The Tekton comment. So far there are two pro-reviewers who are using the Tekton Pendragons and the Tekton M-Lores as their reference speakers.

And there my reference speaker and i have actually heard them... for hundreds of hours.


The last comment, like I said, if you said that to my face that way you did, i'd break your face in plain and simple.

and then you'd be left with maybe headphones to listen to in Jail.

 

[ImcLoud]

Woa, what happened here, people breaking faces in, lol?

I don't know what it is but like I said before Tekton brings out the bad in a topic..

I thought this was all settled and you ordered the tektons and was going to get them soon and let us know how it turned out? Where did this get sideways, I understand that some people can get under your skin on here but that's just the nature of open forums, I laugh when I read some of the stuff on here, because I know if these conversations were in person there would be much more respect between people... Not from me of course, because "HULK smash tiny audiofilly people, SMASH SMASH SMASH" , so I don't need to respect anyone, I just do it out of RESPECT... just kidding, but serious about the HULK stuff, my shoulder has been better a while so back to HULK, green color, ripped pants, and everything, LOL!!!!

again JUST KIDDING, but seriously...

 

[fuzz092888]

Woa, what happened here, people breaking faces in, lol?

I don't know what it is but like I said before Tekton brings out the bad in a topic..

I thought this was all settled and you ordered the tektons and was going to get them soon and let us know how it turned out? Where did this get sideways, I understand that some people can get under your skin on here but that's just the nature of open forums, I laugh when I read some of the stuff on here, because I know if these conversations were in person there would be much more respect between people... Not from me of course, because "HULK smash tiny audiofilly people, SMASH SMASH SMASH" , so I don't need to respect anyone, I just do it out of RESPECT... just kidding, but serious about the HULK stuff, my shoulder has been better a while so back to HULK, green color, ripped pants, and everything, LOL!!!!

 

[BWaz]

And yet another thread I've hesitantly joined falls victim...like all the others...to threats of violence. Too bad. This is one of the few hobbies that doesn't lend itself to forums, I suppose.

 

[fuzz092888]

And yet another thread I've hesitantly joined falls victim...like all the others...to threats of violence. Too bad. This is one of the few hobbies that doesn't lend itself to forums, I suppose.

What was the other one? I count at least.......4.....well maybe 3......oh wait.....well there was that one........no apparently not.......hmm maybe this is an MMA forum after all

 

[ImcLoud]

LOL... you know they made a part 2 to anchorman?

Im going to let you guys in on how not to have things escalated to threats of violence.... LET IT GO!!! This thread should not be 20 f#CKIN pages long!!!! Just stop talking about it, you beat a dead horse and it doesn't get dead'er... Just let it go, go back and read through this thread it was killed 5 times and should be buried by now, but here she is, floating back to the top... Its easy to make a post disappear, just don't post to it... MAGIC... after a while if its still here that means one person is talking to him self...

 

[fuzz092888]

LOL... you know they made a part 2 to anchorman?

I do, can't wait. The GF is much less enthused about it.

 

[SearchofSub]

Do the LORE's fill the room enough at low - moderate volume? I am in a small room..

Oakley Sunglasses

I read countless reviews and this is what I am most concerned about (as well as bass since I am going 2.0)

From what I gather, the M-Lor and will give you a BIG "wall of sound" at moderate to high playback volume. So when it's low I am assuming it will stay "in the speakers" sorts of speak and wont filll the room completely even at high playback levels. (hey but its only $708 shipped)

I am hearing different opinions of the Lores and filling the room. Some say that it completely fills the room at moderate to high playback levels and the bass is good (output) but the bass is not TIGHT enough.

Few reviewers mentioned that the eNZO's filled the room at moderate playback levels. He mentioned the sound was being played back to his sides, and even behind him at moderate playback levels.


The pendragons, a reviewer mentioned you get room fillled sound even at low volumes and bass is tight and has good output but its just way too tall and big for my 13 x 13 x10 room.


I hope more enzo and Lore owners chime in.

 

[ImcLoud]

I do, can't wait. The GF is much less enthused about it.

Yeah same with my wife " I was like "yes, anchoman 2 ?..... smart move hollywood" and my wife did the "pfft" accommodated by a head shake of some sort, I didn't bother to look... But if there was some Glee movie or dancing with the vampires flick of some sort it would be DVR'd years in advance, and the switcher hidden to protect the settings...

Back on topic, my Lores sound good at low volume, that's how I play mine and my bedroom is larger than some houses entire first floor... As far as bass if you are looking for something that makes a ton of bass get a sub... Its that easy, no towers {affordable} are going to stand alone like a decent sub on the low end... I have tried a lot of towers.. Maybe Opus 2-3's or Cerwin vega 215's, or Klipsch rf7s, ect will be strong on the bottom, too duplicate what a fast, decent, sealed 12" sub will sound like you would need just that built into your towers, and the towers that offer that arent cheap... A pair of these would do it and is about the cheapest you are going to find http://www.cerwinvega.com/home-audio/floorstanding-speakers/cmx-212.html I heard them they are decent...

 

[SearchofSub]

Hahaha LOL.

 

[SearchofSub]

Woa, what happened here, people breaking faces in, lol?

I don't know what it is but like I said before Tekton brings out the bad in a topic..

I thought this was all settled and you ordered the tektons and was going to get them soon and let us know how it turned out? Where did this get sideways, I understand that some people can get under your skin on here but that's just the nature of open forums, I laugh when I read some of the stuff on here, because I know if these conversations were in person there would be much more respect between people... Not from me of course, because "HULK smash tiny audiofilly people, SMASH SMASH SMASH" , so I don't need to respect anyone, I just do it out of RESPECT... just kidding, but serious about the HULK stuff, my shoulder has been better a while so back to HULK, green color, ripped pants, and everything, LOL!!!!

again JUST KIDDING, but seriously...

Yeah I was gonna get the whole 4.1 M-Lores, but a poster mentioned that sorrounds are mostly ambience effects and not that important. So I did the math and it turns out I am spending $900+ for sorround speakers... For some ambient sounds? I can live without custom made exact same brand sorrounds, or even sorrounds alltogether for that matter.

Anyway, decided to look into some sorrounds after dropping the M-lore bipole sorrounds... researched a bit here and there, found out most recordings done in dvd+bluray are either 5.1, or 2.0.

Decided to stick to the original format of how movies and music's are recorded from the start... because otherwise, the movie source would then have to be relied on a particular reciever to decode the sounds and that can be wrong too.. So in all I just decided to go back to my original choice which is the 2.0 enzo's, sell my reciever, and just get a emotiva 2.0 amp to keep it simple. (since 5.1 is out of the question for me because then i'd have to start worrying about the "panning" and lobing effects since I cant keep center at same height level).

Besides, I just bought a pair of $2,000 speakers, and to have the movies play 90% of content ONLY to the center? seemed like the speakers were a waste.


P.S Yeah tell me about it, lots of disrespect on open forums because they are behind a computer screen. If half the things that these guys say would be said face to face, lot of people would end up in "jail".

 

[fuzz092888]

I couldn't disagree more with the bolded statement.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/general-av-discussions/86403-surround-sound-opinions.html

Yeah I was gonna get the whole 4.1 M-Lores, but a poster mentioned that sorrounds are mostly ambience effects and not that important. So I did the math and it turns out I am spending $900+ for sorround speakers... For some ambient sounds? I can live without custom made exact same brand sorrounds, or even sorrounds alltogether for that matter.

Anyway, decided to look into some sorrounds after dropping the M-lore bipole sorrounds... researched a bit here and there, found out most recordings done in dvd+bluray are either 5.1, or 2.0.

Decided to stick to the original format of how movies and music's are recorded from the start... because otherwise, the movie source would then have to be relied on a particular reciever to decode the sounds and that can be wrong too.. So in all I just decided to go back to my original choice which is the 2.0 enzo's, sell my reciever, and just get a emotiva 2.0 amp to keep it simple. (since 5.1 is out of the question for me because then i'd have to start worrying about the "panning" and lobing effects since I cant keep center at same height level).

Besides, I just bought a pair of $2,000 speakers, and to have the movies play 90% of content ONLY to the center? seemed like the speakers were a waste.

 

[SearchofSub]

Yeah same with my wife " I was like "yes, anchoman 2 ?..... smart move hollywood" and my wife did the "pfft" accommodated by a head shake of some sort, I didn't bother to look... But if there was some Glee movie or dancing with the vampires flick of some sort it would be DVR'd years in advance, and the switcher hidden to protect the settings...

Back on topic, my Lores sound good at low volume, that's how I play mine and my bedroom is larger than some houses entire first floor... As far as bass if you are looking for something that makes a ton of bass get a sub... Its that easy, no towers {affordable} are going to stand alone like a decent sub on the low end... I have tried a lot of towers.. Maybe Opus 2-3's or Cerwin vega 215's, or Klipsch rf7s, ect will be strong on the bottom, too duplicate what a fast, decent, sealed 12" sub will sound like you would need just that built into your towers, and the towers that offer that arent cheap... A pair of these would do it and is about the cheapest you are going to find CMX 212 CERWIN VEGA HOME AUDIO SPEAKERS I heard them they are decent...

ImcLoud does the bass on the Lores seem tight down to 32hz? Thanks.

 

[SearchofSub]

I couldn't disagree more with the bolded statement.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/general-av-discussions/86403-surround-sound-opinions.html

Intesresting thread. I guess it really comes down to what source or the type of movie you watch..

 

[Chu Gai]

How do you like the bass on your enzo's when watching movies? do you feel the need of a seperate sub?

Daniel (production manager) did mention that the enzo's carry far better bass than the lores..

I would suspect the low end to go a bit lower. There's some things to keep in mind with all this. As a speaker is played louder, there'll come a point when compression starts to set in. If you're unsure what that means, please just ask. Adding a sub, or several as the case may be, can help in this case by taking over the responsibilities for reproducing the lower octaves thereby relieving the necessity for your speakers to do so. If the sub is powered then that means you can get by with a less powerful amp which may save you money or perhaps buy one with what you perceive to be of a better pedigree.

When you place your speakers in your room, you're looking to subjectively balance things like soundstage and imaging. This of course is subject to constraints like your partner objecting to them being too far out but in any event you try to do the best job possible to achieve that balance. The thing is, the optimum placement for the speakers is unlikely to be the same spot where the bass sounds best. A sub can be placed in a variety of locations because we're not worried about soundstage and imaging. We're looking for things like output level, smoothness of response at the listening position and that's going to take some fiddling around. Some measurements too! Maybe the best spot is some corner loading location, between the two speakers, midway against the back wall, or even right next to where you're sitting.

Now at this point, you may have to make a decision whether to run the speakers as small or large. Many who buy full range speakers take the stubborn approach that they're going to run them as large because damn it, they paid for a low frequency response and they're going to use it. However if you measure and keep good records, small or large, a crossover at 80 or 60 Hz or whatever, the right choice will eventually manifest itself.

So, when a person says the bass was flabby, without a whole lot more information and that includes supporting measurements, it's not prudent to weigh such comments very heavily. Look, I know measuring is work and has a learning curve. For some it seems like theyve turned to the objective dark side. That it's sucking the joy out of just listening. That they're admitting their ears have limitations. They just want to be able to turn the key and drive their car and experience nirvana. But somewhere, there are thousands of engineers who did care about measurements and trying to balance a host of factors to arrive at the finished product within the constraints they were given.

 

[GranteedEV]

I couldn't disagree more with the bolded statement.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/general-av-discussions/86403-surround-sound-opinions.html

It may be hyperbole as written, but it's a fair statement with respect to budget. Especially if there is one.

In regard to that other thread, I mentioned "having dream speakers". People who know me, know that I can't possibly comprehend tekton speakers as even remotely close to half a dream speaker for someone tripping on LSD. >_>;;;

 

[SearchofSub]

I would suspect the low end to go a bit lower. There's some things to keep in mind with all this. As a speaker is played louder, there'll come a point when compression starts to set in. If you're unsure what that means, please just ask. Adding a sub, or several as the case may be, can help in this case by taking over the responsibilities for reproducing the lower octaves thereby relieving the necessity for your speakers to do so. If the sub is powered then that means you can get by with a less powerful amp which may save you money or perhaps buy one with what you perceive to be of a better pedigree.

When you place your speakers in your room, you're looking to subjectively balance things like soundstage and imaging. This of course is subject to constraints like your partner objecting to them being too far out but in any event you try to do the best job possible to achieve that balance. The thing is, the optimum placement for the speakers is unlikely to be the same spot where the bass sounds best. A sub can be placed in a variety of locations because we're not worried about soundstage and imaging. We're looking for things like output level, smoothness of response at the listening position and that's going to take some fiddling around. Some measurements too! Maybe the best spot is some corner loading location, between the two speakers, midway against the back wall, or even right next to where you're sitting.

Now at this point, you may have to make a decision whether to run the speakers as small or large. Many who buy full range speakers take the stubborn approach that they're going to run them as large because damn it, they paid for a low frequency response and they're going to use it. However if you measure and keep good records, small or large, a crossover at 80 or 60 Hz or whatever, the right choice will eventually manifest itself.

So, when a person says the bass was flabby, without a whole lot more information and that includes supporting measurements, it's not prudent to weigh such comments very heavily. Look, I know measuring is work and has a learning curve. For some it seems like theyve turned to the objective dark side. That it's sucking the joy out of just listening. That they're admitting their ears have limitations. They just want to be able to turn the key and drive their car and experience nirvana. But somewhere, there are thousands of engineers who did care about measurements and trying to balance a host of factors to arrive at the finished product within the constraints they were given.

Thanks for the post. I guess room acoustics as well as measurements have alot to do with what sound you get out of the speakers.

Here is something I researched and read after Fuzz mentioned the DVD home theatre Disc. (It got online review's 2012 award)



HiFi Unlimited: Get Better Sound, By Jim Smith.

We normally don't do books, but after a buddy pass me a copy of this I felt, that more people should at least know about it. If you've been a Stereophile reader, you'd probably seen this cover pictured as an advertisement. I am also very sure the magazine did a write up about Get Better Sound.

Jim Smith, the author of the book has spent more than 30 years building a career in the high end audio industry, state side. He has won many accolades over the years, including a few "Best Sound Of Show" awards at the CES trade show.

This book, often referred to as a "Set Up Manual" by Jim, consist of 202 audio tips to improve your audio system, high end or otherwise. Most of the tips are based upon Jim's many years of practical experience in the field. Most of the tips are scientifically explainable, which Jim does very well, and where a tip cannot be justified by theory, than he'll just state his opinion and one can experience on their own by trying the tip out. The book is written in an easy to digest manner and uses mostly layman's terms that most of us non engineering qualified dummies can understand easily. Also as where and when required, Jim also throws in a simple diagram or cartoon illustration to make his point easier to understand.

I've been reading the Set Up Manual for 2 months now and can say that by just implementing 5 of the 202 tips, I managed to get a major improvement in my system's audiophile sound quality. The 5 tips I've implemented are:

1) Tip #54: The big turn off! This is regarding digital displays on modern pre amps and CD player designs. Jim reckons the best is to turn all displays off or to leave them all on! Do not use the dimmer on the equipment to dim the LED intensity half way, because it sounds worst. This never really crossed my mind much as it seems to be such a small and insignificant detail, but since Jim brought it up, I tried and agree with Jim totally.

2) Tip #72: Finding the best sounding location for your electronics and sources! I've heard many sifus talked about this, about NOT having a tall rack in the centre and in between your speakers, because it can do much damages to your system's sound staging and imaging capabilities. I had previously already located my sources and electronics to the side of my room, where it does the least damages, but my mono block power amps and PLC unit were still in the way. I had those moved further back in to the rear wall, away from the speakers, and true enough, the imaging qualities of my system took on a more solid quality.

3) Tip #76: The best bass-if you don't know where to start with your seating area! This tip tells us that the best bass volume and quality can usually be found somewhere between 16 to 30 inches from the rear wall of the sweet spot. This is where you should place your throne for best bass sound. I used to have about 9 inches away from my head to the rear wall, but now I have shifted my throne further out in to the room, exactly 16 inches away from the rear wall. The result is punchier and much cleaner bass note to note transfers.

4) Tip #77: Fine tuning tonal balance and stereo imaging with stereo separation and speaker placement! Over the years of practical experience, Jim has established a theory to the distance between the X(the 2 lines measured from tweeters which connects at the tip of your nose) and the Y(the line between your 2 speakers) values of a triangle(when viewed from plan), between the sweet spot(seating area) and speaker distance. Jim recommends that the Y value is approximately 83% of X value. Jim also acknowledges that for small rooms, the ratio can sometimes work in reverse too, which is exactly what I did in my small 10 x 12ft room. Once the placement is right, one can adjust by fine tuning the final speaker position and experiment with toe in. The result is a great improvement of sound staging qualities in my room. I used to sometimes experience what some sifus called the Do-Re-Mi effect, a wide sound stage with a triangular effect, where the instruments on both sides are at the speaker plane, and the vocals is placed in the center, but behind the speaker's plane. With this tip implemented, it's Do-Re-Mi no more for my sound stage quality, which makes for a more natural and convincing listening session.

5) Tip #96: Listening with anti-skate disabled or turned off! John Grado, the cartridge designer is an early supporter of this point. I used to employ the anti-skate fine tuning to enhance my vinyl playback's center imaging. I was never really satisfied with the results, because while the vocal imaging was dead centre, the music also sounded kinda dead with paper like imaging too. I found that with the anti skate disabled, I was able to enjoy a more 3D vocal image, with greater weight and density, and without constriction of any kind. You can say it's a new kind of "musical freedom". However, the down side to this in my experience is that the cartridge mounting, tracking force, VTA setting process requires much more exacting standards, which requires the use of more accurate setting up tools, like a proper protractor, digital cartridge weight indicator and an azimuth optimizer, which I'll write about shortly.

There are numerous other tips mentioned by Jim, that I've implemented previously, mostly on the advise of visiting sifus, and friends. Some other tips I have unwittingly implemented previously by thinking of the most logical, all before reading this book. I can summarise that the implementation of just the 5 tips above, is much more than anything else I would've gained from changing equipment or adding tweaks and accessories!

More then just hifi set up tips, Jim also provides his thoughts on some of the most controversial audio debates, which is fun to read. If one is serious about improving or "Getting Better Sound" then this book is worth your small value of investment including some time and sweat. It doesn't matter if one is a beginner, old hand or high hand, virtually everyone stands to gain something from reading this "Set Up Manual"!

Jim Smith deserves our commendation and support for sharing his vast audio experiences. Lastly a special thanks goes to my buddy who passed me this book.




Lets all keep it real guys and purchase a copy of the book if the above recommendations made any difference in your sound. You can purchase it here.

Get Better Sound


Also, placing a big plant in the corners of the room can make a difference as well.



I am either shooting for a Lore or the eNZO, since after reading the article, it is a given that the speakers should be OUT in the room almost 1/3 to get good soundstage and imaging, I am gonna need to spend the extra dollars on custom paint work..


Here is the best amp that I researched to pair with the Tekton Lore's or eNZO's.

TBI Audio Systems - Products








Its intesresting to know that the author of that book compares the ultimate valued sound system to a live "concert" sound... And who do' them the best but the Tektons.

 

[shadyJ]

1) Tip #54: The big turn off! This is regarding digital displays on modern pre amps and CD player designs. Jim reckons the best is to turn all displays off or to leave them all on! Do not use the dimmer on the equipment to dim the LED intensity half way, because it sounds worst. This never really crossed my mind much as it seems to be such a small and insignificant detail, but since Jim brought it up, I tried and agree with Jim totally.

2) Tip #72: Finding the best sounding location for your electronics and sources! I've heard many sifus talked about this, about NOT having a tall rack in the centre and in between your speakers, because it can do much damages to your system's sound staging and imaging capabilities. I had previously already located my sources and electronics to the side of my room, where it does the least damages, but my mono block power amps and PLC unit were still in the way. I had those moved further back in to the rear wall, away from the speakers, and true enough, the imaging qualities of my system took on a more solid quality.

Lol, whut? There goes his credibility.