Tekton Enzo - The most inexpensive speakers that is in the league with high-end speaker

[chaluga]

yep

Teacher to teacher (math),

However, until you or whoever has established that the opinion being gathered is from someone who has similar tastes, has heard or owned similar speakers, and can describe what they heard in a way that is meaningful to you or whoever then it still is pretty useless.

P.S. $300 is a lot of time and effort when you consider all the speakers out there that come with less risk (a more well known quantity) and similar or smaller price tags, at least IMO.



What pre-amp? REW by itself won't do anything to tame your room. You need something else like a behringer, miniDSP, etc to use its equalization features.

A math teacher hey ?? That explains a lot (hope your in an area that pays decent. Lots of teachers in US are paid crazy low wages)

I did gather info from people with similar tastes and my listening is for mainly movies which I don't think requires as discerning of tastes. That info along with talking with Eric was enough for me.

I already had a good system in place so waiting wasn't as big of an issue. There was definitely other speakers that were less of a risk.

My pre-amp will be emo umc-200. Built in PEQ that works great with REW.

 

[fuzz092888]

A math teacher hey ?? That explains a lot (hope your in an area that pays decent. Lots of teachers in US are paid crazy low wages)

I am, but I'm also unemployed at the moment because I'm in an area with major cutbacks. Curse you NY.

I did gather info from people with similar tastes and my listening is for mainly movies which I don't think requires as discerning of tastes. That info along with talking with Eric was enough for me.

I already had a good system in place so waiting wasn't as big of an issue. There was definitely other speakers that were less of a risk.

I agree so some extent that extreme accuracy isn't quite as big of necessity for movie watching. However, it will contribute to sounstage, imaging, and being able to keep up with demanding movie soundtracks. For me, it makes a huge difference, because I love movies with huge sweeping scores like LOTR and action movies where precise imaging is needed otherwise things start to sound muddled and foggy.

My pre-amp will be emo umc-200. Built in PEQ that works great with REW.

I wasn't aware that the UMC-200 allowed separate programs to program its internal equalization software. While the built in software of the emo is interesting, it lacks certain things as well. If it really is compatible with REW, where you can export REW's equalization files to the UMC200, then that would definitely be a step in the right direction.

 

[chaluga]

I am, but I'm also unemployed at the moment because I'm in an area with major cutbacks. Curse you NY.



I agree so some extent that extreme accuracy isn't quite as big of necessity for movie watching. However, it will contribute to sounstage, imaging, and being able to keep up with demanding movie soundtracks. For me, it makes a huge difference, because I love movies with huge sweeping scores like LOTR and action movies where precise imaging is needed otherwise things start to sound muddled and foggy.



I wasn't aware that the UMC-200 allowed separate programs to program its internal equalization software. While the built in software of the emo is interesting, it lacks certain things as well. If it really is compatible with REW, where you can export REW's equalization files to the UMC200, then that would definitely be a step in the right direction.

I hope you find something soon Was there a cutoff line for layoffs and if so how high was it ? I have 18 years of seniority and the unions here haven't been decimated like yours. I love demanding movie soundtracks as well. My previous speakers were B & W 600 series and I can say that the tektons blow them out of the water for soundstage, imaging, and pinpoint seperation of swords, knives, punches, grenades, etc. I think that tektons strong points are for movie soundtracks. I watched the oblivion movie and those cyborg killer robots had me jumping in my seat. I know that voices are better because my wife has severe hearing loss and we always had to have subtitles on (hate them). At the same volume level of 90-95db she can now hear and process to the point where we don't need subtitles on ( tektons are worth it for just that !) Even at 100 plus db the scenes in LOTR are not muddy.

As for the emo-umc200 what is it lacking ? As far as I can see there isn't a preamp under 1k with as much flexibility in bass management. The review from this site used a bunch of flowery words Emotiva UMC-200 A/V Processor Bass Management | Audioholics

I know the PEQ doesn't replace some good room treatments but those are not an option for me with my home theater in my living room.

 

[chaluga]

Just watching epic animation movie. Soundtrack is very good. Kids like show and I like the sound

 

[chaluga]

Just saw this deal
http://www.sherbourn.com/products/pa7350

I know its an amp but if any of you are in the market , it's a good deal.:screwy:

 

[fuzz092888]

It differed all around my area, but it started with all untenured, then has slowly crept up. I believe it has even gotten as high as 5-6 years in some districts depending on subject area.

In terms of flexibility, it is unmatched, except maybe by Trinnov to my knowledge. However, I have serious doubts about the sophistication of the software and the single measurement position makes me wonder a little bit. Audyssey is a pretty flawed system, but it is almost universally applauded for what it does in the bass region and in the same breathe scorned for it's lack of flexibility unless you can get your hands on a Pro Kit.

I split the difference and individually calibrate my subs using REW and miniDSP, then hit the whole thing again with audyssey and the results have been pretty good. I believe last I checked, I'm +- 5db across the whole seating area and my dual opposed is +-2 or 3 from 5hz-100ish. Since the emo equalizes the system as a whole, I'm not sure I could get similar results, especially since my room is a nightmare and like you, there is zero chance of any room treatments. For a pre-amp only it's hard to beat and if I hadn't gone the route I did, I'd have to think hard between it and Trinnov.

If your a HT buff this is a must have. Home Theater Demo disc v2. Probably one of the coolest things out there if you really want to give your system a 2+ hour workout.

I hope you find something soon Was there a cutoff line for layoffs and if so how high was it ? I have 18 years of seniority and the unions here haven't been decimated like yours. I love demanding movie soundtracks as well. My previous speakers were B & W 600 series and I can say that the tektons blow them out of the water for soundstage, imaging, and pinpoint seperation of swords, knives, punches, grenades, etc. I think that tektons strong points are for movie soundtracks. I watched the oblivion movie and those cyborg killer robots had me jumping in my seat. I know that voices are better because my wife has severe hearing loss and we always had to have subtitles on (hate them). At the same volume level of 90-95db she can now hear and process to the point where we don't need subtitles on ( tektons are worth it for just that !) Even at 100 plus db the scenes in LOTR are not muddy.

As for the emo-umc200 what is it lacking ? As far as I can see there isn't a preamp under 1k with as much flexibility in bass management. The review from this site used a bunch of flowery words Emotiva UMC-200 A/V Processor Bass Management | Audioholics

I know the PEQ doesn't replace some good room treatments but those are not an option for me with my home theater in my living room.

 

[chaluga]

[In terms of flexibility, it is unmatched, except maybe by Trinnov to my knowledge. However, I have serious doubts about the sophistication of the software and the single measurement position makes me wonder a little bit. Audyssey is a pretty flawed system, but it is almost universally applauded for what it does in the bass region and in the same breathe scorned for it's lack of flexibility unless you can get your hands on a Pro Kit.

I split the difference and individually calibrate my subs using REW and miniDSP, then hit the whole thing again with audyssey and the results have been pretty good. I believe last I checked, I'm +- 5db across the whole seating area and my dual opposed is +-2 or 3 from 5hz-100ish. Since the emo equalizes the system as a whole, I'm not sure I could get similar results, especially since my room is a nightmare and like you, there is zero chance of any room treatments. For a pre-amp only it's hard to beat and if I hadn't gone the route I did, I'd have to think hard between it and Trinnov.]

I am using Audyssey on my current denon so i will see how the Emo does. If on the emo you can individually PEQ the sub, fronts, and centre with 3 bands for sub and 11 for the others isn't this as detailed EQ as you can get ? As least the Emo measures well

 

[fuzz092888]

I am using Audyssey on my current denon so i will see how the Emo does. If on the emo you can individually PEQ the sub, fronts, and centre with 3 bands for sub and 11 for the others isn't this as detailed EQ as you can get ? As least the Emo measures well

It says 11 bands per main channel, but the manual doesn't really give more information so I'm not really sure what that means (11 for the sub, 11 for the left, 11 for the right, etc?). If what you're saying is the case and you get 3 for the sub an 11 for the others, than no that isn't as detailed as you can get and is woefully inadequate for the bass region. If you get 11 bands for the sub, 11 bands for the left, 11 bands for the right, and so on, that's great, but is a ton of work and you must have an idea what you're doing to vary from the auto-correction otherwise you could really screw something up.

The other thing is that if you have a single sub it's perfect, but if you have multiple subs it still leaves something left to be desired. You want to EQ each sub individually and then EQ them together for the best results, as I have done.

 

[SearchofSub]

You should really add Tekton to the list. They are like the new foundation where all loudspeakers should be measured to.

That dude can't make a decision on a purchase and I wouldn't base anything on what he says. He sounds like those dudes when you were in grade eleven who said that their car stereo was better then your home one. Maybe for bass with their four 12" subs. Chu can knock that guy down without breaking a sweat.

Whats up with you and the flamebait? I havent said a single thing to you yet you come off as if you know me or Chu as a matter of fact. I am asking opinions, and I am reading this thread, If Chu says something like "Maybe the Lore owners didnt eq properly, or didnt do any measurements", I am gonna change my mind again and think maybe Lore's is the way to go..

Its only natural that these come across your mind when you are shopping for anything. Just asking for some advice thats all. You feel like a man now? If you were saying that sh1t to me to my face i'd break your ****!ng face in.

 

[SearchofSub]

It differed all around my area, but it started with all untenured, then has slowly crept up. I believe it has even gotten as high as 5-6 years in some districts depending on subject area.

In terms of flexibility, it is unmatched, except maybe by Trinnov to my knowledge. However, I have serious doubts about the sophistication of the software and the single measurement position makes me wonder a little bit. Audyssey is a pretty flawed system, but it is almost universally applauded for what it does in the bass region and in the same breathe scorned for it's lack of flexibility unless you can get your hands on a Pro Kit.

I split the difference and individually calibrate my subs using REW and miniDSP, then hit the whole thing again with audyssey and the results have been pretty good. I believe last I checked, I'm +- 5db across the whole seating area and my dual opposed is +-2 or 3 from 5hz-100ish. Since the emo equalizes the system as a whole, I'm not sure I could get similar results, especially since my room is a nightmare and like you, there is zero chance of any room treatments. For a pre-amp only it's hard to beat and if I hadn't gone the route I did, I'd have to think hard between it and Trinnov.

If your a HT buff this is a must have. Home Theater Demo disc v2. Probably one of the coolest things out there if you really want to give your system a 2+ hour workout.

Whats your set-up?

 

[SearchofSub]

Just a pair of Martin Logan Motion 4's mounted on my wall. My living room doesn't really lend itself well to any sort of surround sound setup. While I've had 5.1 and 7.1 setups in the past, I had to choose between a dedicated 2-channel room or a dedicated movie room. I went the 2-channel route, so my movie watching was pushed to the open living room. In all honesty, while the rumble of a good sub and surround sound on movies is great, I'm actually really enjoying the clarity just these simple Motion 4's are offering. I suppose I could just add a sub, but it's dangerous for my wallet when I start adding things to a system...first a sub...then bigger speakers...then a couple of subs for my enzo's...then I blow my roof off...then a new roof...

How do you like the bass on your enzo's when watching movies? do you feel the need of a seperate sub?

Daniel (production manager) did mention that the enzo's carry far better bass than the lores..

 

[fuzz092888]

Whats your set-up?

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/pros-joes-systems-gallery/80950-finally-coming-together.html

 

[SearchofSub]

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/pros-joes-systems-gallery/80950-finally-coming-together.html

Nice set-up man. Are your front left and right the Phil 2's? It looks like Wilson's.

 

[fuzz092888]

Nice set-up man. Are your front left and right the Phil 2's? It looks like Wilson's.

Thanks. The two channel system consists of Phil 3's, the computer system are DIY Mandolins by Jeff Bagby, and the HT speakers are all Source Technology except the heights and center which are EMP-E41B's and a custom Salk Supercharged Songcenter (for a total of 9 channels). There are two Source Tech subs, as well as two DIY subs (a single 18" and a dual opposed using two LMS Ultra 18" drivers). Next up will probably be another subwoofer for the computer setup (DIY), then another pair of towers (DIY), and possibly another sub (also DIY).

 

[SearchofSub]

Thanks. The two channel system consists of Phil 3's, the computer system are DIY Mandolins by Jeff Bagby, and the HT speakers are all Source Technology except the heights and center which are EMP-E41B's and a custom Salk Supercharged Songcenter (for a total of 9 channels). There are two Source Tech subs, as well as two DIY subs (a single 18" and a dual opposed using two LMS Ultra 18" drivers). Next up will probably be another subwoofer for the computer setup (DIY), then another pair of towers (DIY), and possibly another sub (also DIY).

Nice, going DIY. It does save up alot of money.. How much did you pay for the Phil 3's?

 

[BWaz]

How do you like the bass on your enzo's when watching movies? do you feel the need of a seperate sub?

Daniel (production manager) did mention that the enzo's carry far better bass than the lores..

I thought I mentioned this in my initial post, but maybe I wasn't clear. I haven't used the Enzo's for movies at all. While I haven't heard the Lores, I find the bass with the Enzo's to be plenty satisfying with regard to 2-channel music. How they'll do for movies, I'm sorry, I can't really give you an answer other than I'm sure they'll sound better than whatever is built into your TV

 

[chaluga]

really

Whats up with you and the flamebait? I havent said a single thing to you yet you come off as if you know me or Chu as a matter of fact. I am asking opinions, and I am reading this thread, If Chu says something like "Maybe the Lore owners didnt eq properly, or didnt do any measurements", I am gonna change my mind again and think maybe Lore's is the way to go..

Its only natural that these come across your mind when you are shopping for anything. Just asking for some advice thats all. You feel like a man now? If you were saying that sh1t to me to my face i'd break your ****!ng face in.

Lets see in less then a week you
1) Going with Enzo's
2) Switched to Lores based on one persons comment
3) Switched to Tekton eNZO's tommorow along with the Hsu VTF 2.4 (as ShadyJ suggested)
4) Switched to M-Lore 4.1
5) Cancelled order but possibly back to ENzo

you then made statements like :
I'm not sure if its my ears or my computer speakers but I can tell a difference between speakers through Youtube Videos the owners put up when I concentrate hard enough.

That statement removes any credibility in your opinions about speakers

I'm not sure if its my mind playing tricks, but seriously through the youtube videos I can kind of HEAR the Lores having similar chracteristics with the Wilson MAXX II or III than any other speakers that is put up on Youtube.

More silliness


One thing I can say though, and this is from my own experience, the HDMI that I had before which was a no name brand, and the HDMI cable that I got from monoprice DID make a difference in Video. The picture was more sharp and detailed for one...

No way thats possible

You should really add Tekton to the list. They are like the new foundation where all loudspeakers should be measured to.

Another statement that is ridiculous

Almost everytime you post something about tekton you make it easier for people to use you as a reason to poke fun at tekton. If I was in a room and you were saying silly things I would have no problem making the comments I did. In the end my dad is stronger then your dad

 

[BWaz]

Lets see in less then a week you
1) Going with Enzo's
2) Switched to Lores based on one persons comment
3) Switched to Tekton eNZO's tommorow along with the Hsu VTF 2.4 (as ShadyJ suggested)
4) Switched to M-Lore 4.1
5) Cancelled order but possibly back to ENzo

you then made statements like :
I'm not sure if its my ears or my computer speakers but I can tell a difference between speakers through Youtube Videos the owners put up when I concentrate hard enough.

That statement removes any credibility in your opinions about speakers

I'm not sure if its my mind playing tricks, but seriously through the youtube videos I can kind of HEAR the Lores having similar chracteristics with the Wilson MAXX II or III than any other speakers that is put up on Youtube.

More silliness


One thing I can say though, and this is from my own experience, the HDMI that I had before which was a no name brand, and the HDMI cable that I got from monoprice DID make a difference in Video. The picture was more sharp and detailed for one...

No way thats possible

You should really add Tekton to the list. They are like the new foundation where all loudspeakers should be measured to.

Another statement that is ridiculous

Almost everytime you post something about tekton you make it easier for people to use you as a reason to poke fun at tekton. If I was in a room and you were saying silly things I would have no problem making the comments I did. In the end my dad is stronger then your dad

This post was certainly helpful, and I'm sure it will encourage those that seek guidance on forums like this to continue doing so. Way to go...

 

[Grador]

This post was certainly helpful, and I'm sure it will encourage those that seek guidance on forums like this to continue doing so. Way to go...

In generally I do dislike posts like the one chaluga just made, but SearchofSub has shown no signs of seeking guidance as much as a yesman. His opinion on things has not evolved since the first post, he's simply jumped ship repeatedly continuing the mostly fruitless and useless argument.

I do thank those who have spent the time to render their opinions though, many people tried very hard to help.

 

[SearchofSub]

They are my opinions. I did witness a difference in video quality when switching from one HDMI cable to another. All those companies that invest with their own money to make a "pricier" video cable or audio cable are not stupid. They are not trying to "fool" or "sucker" you, they invested a whole lot of money themselves to make them. If they didnt wholeheardely believe in their product, that cables DO make a difference, how can they possibly even begin production of such product investing their own money?

I am assuming that a casual viewer (like your wife or girl at home) who just watches just to watch a couple minutes or an hour a day just to relax wouldnt care enough to see the difference..

BUT then there's the rest of those who are videophilles, or audiophilles, who are zoned in and CAN tell the difference in small details, and by that makes their day better, then I can see that it DOES matter... I think it is the very audiphilles or videophilles who end up investing and beggining production for "higher-end" audio/video cables, and the very audiophille/videophille consumer's who buys those products anyway..


About the Youtube Videos, like I said, just my opinion and i heard what I heard and "it is what it is" for what its worth.


The Tekton comment. So far there are two pro-reviewers who are using the Tekton Pendragons and the Tekton M-Lores as their reference speakers.


The last comment, like I said, if you said that to my face that way you did, i'd break your face in plain and simple.