Tekton Enzo - The most inexpensive speakers that is in the league with high-end speaker

[SearchofSub]

Thank you for your input Grador, now please feel free to troll on other threads and move along.

 

[rocky500]

Its the only forum I found discussing the Tekton Enzo speakers. Over here in Australia I don't think there are many owners of the speakers.
We have to pay freight and taxes but it still put them a lot cheaper than the other speakers I was looking into. Zu Audio.

Hi my name is Bob and I brought Tekton speakers and have to admit, I really like them.

 

[SearchofSub]

Grador,

My friend already ordered the Tekton Lore-S so you guys will definately get a review and measurements of that. I on the other hand is gonna go with the SEAS Pendragons and the new Marantz PM6005 integrated 2.0 stereo amp that is coming out in september which is a bi-wirable amp. Still gonna go with the Emotiva cables though.

Gonna place the order tommorow for the marantz, cables, and the speakers (again ). The search is over and now the wait begins..

 

[SearchofSub]

Its the only forum I found discussing the Tekton Enzo speakers. Over here in Australia I don't think there are many owners of the speakers.
We have to pay freight and taxes but it still put them a lot cheaper than the other speakers I was looking into. Zu Audio.

Hey Rocky, is it possible for you to give us an indepth review of the enzo's?


Here is an outline I found on audiocircle that was pretty useful


Soundstage
Imaging
Bass
Transperency
Mid range
High range
sonic nature


Something of that nature i guess..

 

[rocky500]

Hey Rocky, is it possible for you to give us an indepth review of the enzo's?


Here is an outline I found on audiocircle that was pretty useful


Soundstage
Imaging
Bass
Transperency
Mid range
High range
sonic nature


Something of that nature i guess..

I don't know about a indepth review. My room is not the greatest layout but they are a very even sounding speaker through their range with great dynamics that makes them a pleasure to listen to all types of music on and don't need big powered heavy amps(have put my back out a couple of times).
They work extremely well when I switch over to watching movies as speakers in the past can get a bit abrasive to me as they get too much in some parts of movies when there is a lot of special effects happening.

All I can say is I really enjoy listening through the tektons and hope I can improve my room and placement to optimize my setup. Was hoping to get some tips and hints to make it just that little bit better.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Saw this on AVS:

Paid 1,060.00, including shipping for a pair of Lores.
Another 100.00 for 3 blown tweeters. All 3 tweeters replaced at my own expense.
Sold the Lores on Ebay for $750--Ebay and Paypal loss--another 15 % of the sale price.

A bit upset about the tweeters blowing for no really good reason--I decided to run a little experiment. I had a pair of Infinity RS 1000 bread-loaf-sized speakers sitting around unused for years.
Hooked them up to my Pio Elite---with pre-amp-outs to my Integra ADM 2.1---put on some very bassy stuff running off a CD player--turned up the volume beyond anybody's comprehension. It took about 90 minutes of total abuse--and, yes, the 4.5 inch woofers on the Infis finally fused.
While the Polycell Dome Tweeters on the Infinity RS 1000's were, (and still are) working just fine.

Tweeters on a $1,000.00 pair of speakers blow.
Polycell pip-sqeak tweeters on a 30 year old pair of cheapo speakers do not blow.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465726/tekton-lore-owners/180#post_23674047

Be afraid. Be very afraid for your tweeters if you own Tekton speakers. But enjoy while they last!

 

[ImcLoud]

Saw this on AVS:

Paid 1,060.00, including shipping for a pair of Lores.
Another 100.00 for 3 blown tweeters. All 3 tweeters replaced at my own expense.
Sold the Lores on Ebay for $750--Ebay and Paypal loss--another 15 % of the sale price.

A bit upset about the tweeters blowing for no really good reason--I decided to run a little experiment. I had a pair of Infinity RS 1000 bread-loaf-sized speakers sitting around unused for years.
Hooked them up to my Pio Elite---with pre-amp-outs to my Integra ADM 2.1---put on some very bassy stuff running off a CD player--turned up the volume beyond anybody's comprehension. It took about 90 minutes of total abuse--and, yes, the 4.5 inch woofers on the Infis finally fused.
While the Polycell Dome Tweeters on the Infinity RS 1000's were, (and still are) working just fine.

Tweeters on a $1,000.00 pair of speakers blow.
Polycell pip-sqeak tweeters on a 30 year old pair of cheapo speakers do not blow.

TEKTON LORE OWNERS!!! - Page 7

Be afraid. Be very afraid for your tweeters if you own Tekton speakers. But enjoy while they last!

I want to know where he got 3 Audax gold tweets for $100, that a little over $30 each, cheapest I ever seen them was $120 each... Its easy to post something on a forum to bad mouth someone, the other issue I have with this post is , I have Tekton saved in my ebay searches so when someone lists them on ebay it comes up, this is very rare, actually just added a link to a set of books that were listed recently, and that is the first set in a LONG time, so I would remember a pair of lores, and I don't, I have seen a couple sets on audiogon, but not ebay... I call bs on this one, plus I smashed my lores for over an hour and a half playing some pretty loud classic rock, and the tweeters are fine, that was with 250 watts per channel, I had them outside on my porch while I was installing a mail box pole... If them tweeters were going to get hurt that would have done it....

I like my Lores, they are a decent speaker and sound good, so far they are built like tanks and I am happy with them...

 

[SearchofSub]

Thats the same dude that lives alone in the mountains with no neighbors around.. you would think he was playing that over ear bleeding levels for a long time while doing chores etc.

Also, he mentioned he blew another pair of speakers when he was "testing" their tweeters for how loud they can go. I bet he ws doing the same thing with the Lores as those speakers, and ofcourse, the other speakers blew as well.

 

[Grador]

Thank you for your input Grador, now please feel free to troll on other threads and move along.

Is it really trolling when you respond to worthless posts with worthless posts? Learn how electronics work.

 

[rocky500]

I want to know where he got 3 Audax gold tweets for $100, that a little over $30 each, cheapest I ever seen them was $120 each...

The voice coil here.
The Madisound Speaker Store

 

[fuzz092888]

The voice coil seems replaceable.
The Madisound Speaker Store

Makes sense, since if you fried the tweeter it would be the VC and not the motor that would need to be replaced.

 

[SearchofSub]

Is it really trolling when you respond to worthless posts with worthless posts? Learn how electronics work.

But I prefer to learn about cheese.

 

[ImcLoud]

Makes sense, since if you fried the tweeter it would be the VC and not the motor that would need to be replaced.

I don't buy it, he didn't say he rebuilt them, he said he replaced the tweeters... That tweeter is used in a lot of designs, I have seen it used as replacements for vintage speakers, a few DIY recipes, and of course the Tektons.... Its not a "cheap" unit and audax makes decent stuff, plus like i said, I hammered mine a few times and mine still sound awesome, no wrinkles, no clicks or melted coils... If this guy is burning up vc's maybe he is just a jerk that expects his speakers to play 120db and powers them with shoddy equipment, sub par material, and at levels beyond capability...

 

[rocky500]

I was posting in that thread too and I think it is just been overdriven for too long. He admits he likes his music LOud and then some.
Same with another guy who estimates he was putting around 300watts at the time through them who has 700watts on tap.
I had the Lores and played them loud occasionally but my very loud is peaks of 100db at the seating position.

 

[Chu Gai]

I don't buy it, he didn't say he rebuilt them, he said he replaced the tweeters... That tweeter is used in a lot of designs, I have seen it used as replacements for vintage speakers, a few DIY recipes, and of course the Tektons.... Its not a "cheap" unit and audax makes decent stuff, plus like i said, I hammered mine a few times and mine still sound awesome, no wrinkles, no clicks or melted coils... If this guy is burning up vc's maybe he is just a jerk that expects his speakers to play 120db and powers them with shoddy equipment, sub par material, and at levels beyond capability...

In an earlier post by that person on AVS, he said he rebuilt them.

 

[fuzz092888]

I don't buy it, he didn't say he rebuilt them, he said he replaced the tweeters... That tweeter is used in a lot of designs, I have seen it used as replacements for vintage speakers, a few DIY recipes, and of course the Tektons.... Its not a "cheap" unit and audax makes decent stuff, plus like i said, I hammered mine a few times and mine still sound awesome, no wrinkles, no clicks or melted coils... If this guy is burning up vc's maybe he is just a jerk that expects his speakers to play 120db and powers them with shoddy equipment, sub par material, and at levels beyond capability...

The majority of posters misspeak at some time or another or simply don't articulate what they mean using the proper vernacular. My only point was that there was something out there that matches the price he quoted for 3 tweeters making the story at least plausible.

 

[ImcLoud]

The majority of posters misspeak at some time or another or simply don't articulate what they mean using the proper vernacular. My only point was that there was something out there that matches the price he quoted for 3 tweeters making the story at least plausible.

I agree, but I just have a hard time believing that he hurt 3 tweeters using the speakers in a normal manner... I think there is a difference between "pushing a speaker assembly" and "abusing" one...

So think about it this way, you put your speakers outside {because honestly unless you have an auditorium in your house, you are not using the Lores @ 200watts indoors, I have 20w in a 400sq foot room and they get to an uncomfortable listening level pretty fast}, and you push 400watts of class D power to them on full blast with dirty sound signal from an ipod with a 3.5mm to rca adapter, AND YOU BLOW A TWEETER.... How many more times are you going to do that? 3? not me, I would like to think I would learn the first time...

Like I previously stated I have pushed my lores to LOUD levels, with clean material, for an extended length of time and the tweeters are in tact and still sound great... Also I have a decent amount of use on mine, and they haven't worn out or showed any sign of degradation.... I have heard of High altitude tweeter problems (something about the seal popping and letting out the gas inside the tweet), maybe since this guy is on a mountain thats the issue he is having...

I just think the people with blown tweets are from abuse, if someone was on here saying I blew the tweets in my Andrew Jones Pioneer speakers, I lot of guys on here would be saying, "no way, How?, How much power where you pushing to them?" ect ect ect but because it is a tekton product, its "be prepared to replace your teeters once a month"...


I can take any speaker on the market and blow them to sh!t with my $500 XLS2500 bridged to it, I think its 1600X1 watts at 8 ohms and capable of 4ohms which gets you something like another 1000watts on top of that... Now if I take that amp and feed it a shoddy signal from my emerson mp3 player with an old 3.5mm x rca adapter cord, I am sure there are not many 1" tweeters on the market that wont Nuke themselves... Now I could do that 3 times and say the speaker builder builds terrible speakers that will blow up if you buy them....

 

[Swerd]

The tweeters shown in the photo for the Enzos, tekton-designcontent2011, look like ring radiator tweeters, such as those sold by Vifa or ScanSpeak.

The tweeter replacement voice coils shown are for Audax TW025A28 tweeters, which are completely different drivers.

Which tweeters does the Enzo have?

All this raises the questions about what may be a flawed design. The Enzo uses two 8" woofers and 3 ~1" ring radiator tweeters. It appears to be a standard 2-way design, is it? And if so, what is the crossover frequency from woofer to tweeter?

I ask this because tweeters most commonly fail when they are over driven at frequencies lower than they can handle. If the Enzo crossover frequency is too low for its tweeters, they will audibly distort and fail when driven at high enough power.

 

[rocky500]

There is also a model called Lore with has the Audax tweeter.
I am not sure they were played too loud but going on his posts it possibly could be.

QUOTE
No distortion or clipping issues here, Eric claims 18 DB/Octave x-over;
I am too old for this bs. I want loud, and louder. If I cannot feel the music--sitting on my leather recliner --it is no good for me.
Sorry to admit that I just went psycho--buying a pair of Zu Audio Omen Def Mk.I-B on e-bay for a gadzillion dollars.
So, if these things do not play loud, as I like, there will be h to pay !!!
and
At that point I emailed Eric. I told him that the best sounding speakers on the planet are of no use to me, if I cannot play them as loud as I please.

Hopefully these will play as loud as he can bare.

 

[Swerd]

There is also a model called Lore with has the Audax tweeter.
I am not sure they were played too loud but going on his posts it possibly could be.

Thanks for clarifying that.

Just the same, I have the same question for the Lore design. Is it a good idea to use a 10" woofer in a 2-way design with that Audax tweeter? The F0 for that tweeter is 1017 Hz. (Is F0 the same as resonance frequency?). The usual rule-of-thumb for speaker design is to use a crossover frequency for a tweeter that is at least triple it's resonance frequency if the crossover has shallow slopes as in 2nd order, and at least double the resonance frequency for 4th order slopes.

Can that 10" woofer work well crossed at 2000 Hz? If the crossover slopes are steep, 4th order (24 dB per octave), you would still be asking the woofer to produce smooth sound at 2 to 4 kHz. With or without that whizzer ring, I believe that is highly unlikely. And that is only thinking about on-axis frequency response. Off-axis sound will drop off at significantly lower frequencies. This will leave a clearly audible "hole in the middle" in the speaker's sound.

If the crossover frequency is much lower than 2 kHz, then that tweeter might be danger of failure.