S shadyJ Speaker of the House Staff member Oct 16, 2006 12,053 0 113 Apr 24, 2013 #41 Steve81 said: Of course, I'm curious: take the case of the Epik Empire and the LFM-1EX. From 50Hz on up, the Empire has a big output advantage. Epik's issues aside, would you qualify the Empire as being significantly better than the LFM? Click to expand... Everything else being equal, yes, a sub with more output above 50 hz is going to be better. If you can get it, there is no reason not to have it. For starters, if you have dips above 50 hz, you have more room to EQ the response down to flat without losing output for the entire subwoofer frequency range. Secondly, there is nothing wrong with having extra headroom in a certain range; it may not play flat when brought to its limits, but the extra dynamics in that range will still be truer to the dynamics of the recording than a sub that just can not cross that output line at any frequency. Third, there is a lot more bass material above 50 hz than below in most movie and music recordings, so if you can have extra headroom there, that is the region where you want it.
Steve81 said: Of course, I'm curious: take the case of the Epik Empire and the LFM-1EX. From 50Hz on up, the Empire has a big output advantage. Epik's issues aside, would you qualify the Empire as being significantly better than the LFM? Click to expand... Everything else being equal, yes, a sub with more output above 50 hz is going to be better. If you can get it, there is no reason not to have it. For starters, if you have dips above 50 hz, you have more room to EQ the response down to flat without losing output for the entire subwoofer frequency range. Secondly, there is nothing wrong with having extra headroom in a certain range; it may not play flat when brought to its limits, but the extra dynamics in that range will still be truer to the dynamics of the recording than a sub that just can not cross that output line at any frequency. Third, there is a lot more bass material above 50 hz than below in most movie and music recordings, so if you can have extra headroom there, that is the region where you want it.
Steve81 Audioholics Five-0 Aug 9, 2012 5,045 0 113 45 Las Vegas Apr 24, 2013 #42 Well I'll agree to disagree
E emsti Enthusiast Mar 1, 2011 18 0 0 Apr 27, 2013 #43 So what is the benefit of a flat response - will that be closer to the sound encoded/recorded?
S shadyJ Speaker of the House Staff member Oct 16, 2006 12,053 0 113 Apr 27, 2013 #44 emsti said: So what is the benefit of a flat response - will that be closer to the sound encoded/recorded? Click to expand... Yes, it means everything will be played back as evenly as it was recorded, so there isn't more or less bass or treble or any other frequency in playback than there was in the recording.
emsti said: So what is the benefit of a flat response - will that be closer to the sound encoded/recorded? Click to expand... Yes, it means everything will be played back as evenly as it was recorded, so there isn't more or less bass or treble or any other frequency in playback than there was in the recording.
E emsti Enthusiast Mar 1, 2011 18 0 0 May 4, 2013 #45 KEW said: "Different tonal changes" is an apt description. Yes re-run Audyssey so the SPL levels of the speakers will be matched. Click to expand... I tried the Infinity 163 in the center position - the sounds were definitely brighter, and I found the Pioneer center gave deeper bass output. Though I'm wondering if its a little unfair to compare the bass output from a 163 to the Pioneer center (the dedicated center from Infinity is the 251 or 351 - which I have not seen in a store yet). Anyways there was an amazing deal on the Pioneer bookshelves at Frys - 69/pair. Frys were generous enough to give me store credit for the 163s and now I've got a Pioneer surround sound system - other than the sub. I have to say I don't feel like I'm missing much by replacing the bigger 163s with the Pioneer BS22s.
KEW said: "Different tonal changes" is an apt description. Yes re-run Audyssey so the SPL levels of the speakers will be matched. Click to expand... I tried the Infinity 163 in the center position - the sounds were definitely brighter, and I found the Pioneer center gave deeper bass output. Though I'm wondering if its a little unfair to compare the bass output from a 163 to the Pioneer center (the dedicated center from Infinity is the 251 or 351 - which I have not seen in a store yet). Anyways there was an amazing deal on the Pioneer bookshelves at Frys - 69/pair. Frys were generous enough to give me store credit for the 163s and now I've got a Pioneer surround sound system - other than the sub. I have to say I don't feel like I'm missing much by replacing the bigger 163s with the Pioneer BS22s.
