So I gotta ask, 104% tariffs on China?

[Hetfield]

So I gotta ask what is gonna happen here with 104% tariffs on China? Speakers in particular are in trouble? Amps I guess too? I mean are we about to see a mass extinction of a ton of brands?

 

[adk highlander]

Moron on the run

 

[isolar8001]

TCL and Hisense just became premium brands of tv sets....in an instant !

 

[Hetfield]

TCL and Hisense just became premium brands of tv sets....in an instant !

Yeah I wanted a TCL 85 inch QM7K this year but who knows what the price will be. TCL does have a plant in Mexico so I assume that is where US TV's come from and I think Mexico and Canada have be spared the morons tariffs for now or at least they aren't the 104%.
Dude 104%, say it? I mean that SH!T is bonkers!

 

[lovinthehd]

FWIW was often 100% duty rate for China back before 1980 (but sometimes higher IIRC).

 

[TLS Guy]

Yeah I wanted a TCL 85 inch QM7K this year but who knows what the price will be. TCL does have a plant in Mexico so I assume that is where US TV's come from and I think Mexico and Canada have be spared the morons tariffs for now or at least they aren't the 104%.
Dude 104%, say it? I mean that SH!T is bonkers!

No they have not! Read the news properly.

 

[dlaloum]

So I gotta ask what is gonna happen here with 104% tariffs on China? Speakers in particular are in trouble? Amps I guess too? I mean are we about to see a mass extinction of a ton of brands?

Keep in mind that the Tariffs only apply to USA....

Many of the brands are international, and the rest of the world is not imposing Tariffs on China (or Vice Versa)

So a bunch of brands may well disappear from the USA marketplace... and some other brands may have to redesign some of their products to increase the use of locally available parts....

Although the tariffs are sufficiently extreme, to potentially cause companies that are already marginal, to drop severely into the red - so some true extinctions may well be inevitable.

 

[dlaloum]

Yeah I wanted a TCL 85 inch QM7K this year but who knows what the price will be. TCL does have a plant in Mexico so I assume that is where US TV's come from and I think Mexico and Canada have be spared the morons tariffs for now or at least they aren't the 104%.
Dude 104%, say it? I mean that SH!T is bonkers!

Most Mini-LED chip manufacturing is Taiwan and Germany (I believe)

But there are a lot of factories using those parts in China....

 

[lovinthehd]

Keep in mind that the Tariffs only apply to USA....

Many of the brands are international, and the rest of the world is not imposing Tariffs on China (or Vice Versa)

So a bunch of brands may well disappear from the USA marketplace... and some other brands may have to redesign some of their products to increase the use of locally available parts....

Although the tariffs are sufficiently extreme, to potentially cause companies that are already marginal, to drop severely into the red - so some true extinctions may well be inevitable.

Hopefully people aren't as stupid as to believe drumphy's claim that foreign governments paid the duty increases (or duty in the first place). We will see some significant cost increases on components no doubt, and for little actual rational reasoning.

 

[TLS Guy]

Most Mini-LED chip manufacturing is Taiwan and Germany (I believe)

But there are a lot of factories using those parts in China....

They all have tariffs. They are not as extreme as China. Goods from China will become totally unaffordable, also Vietnam and South Korea.

TVs will become a luxury, and few will be able to afford them, when their current ones fail.

One thing I fear is that violent break-ins will become common place to steal items like TVs and computers.

This is going to be an absolute mess. A lot of companies of audio gear will go under. Pretty sure Sound United will be among the first to go.

I think it would take us years to gear up to make TVs and complex audio gear here. Complex ICs will be a particular problem, but we don't even make caps and resistors here in any quantity.

My hunch is that for audio there will be a return to simpler two channel gear, but that is all hard to predict.

Once any member looses a vital piece of equipment from failure, there will be tough choices.

It would not hurt to buy a receiver now, as a spare, before the prices skyrocket or become unavailable.

 

[Squishman]

Oh yippee. A political thread in AV Discussions.

 

[Trell]

Oh yippee. A political thread in AV Discussions.

Talk about tariffs tends to go that way.

 

[TLS Guy]

Oh yippee. A political thread in AV Discussions.

What is political about this? It is all about how to practically respond to the realities of AV in rapidly changing circumstances. The only thing remotely political is how to react to changing circumstances caused by politicians. So you could just as easily call this post a reality check.

I think we will have many threads on how to cope with this here and so we should.

What it will mean especially for speakers, is that the only way to have them in anyway affordable will be DIY.

So if this goes ahead I think there will be an explosion of interest on our DIY forum. This is not political, but reality.

You have just upgraded your speakers. If you had waited a few months to do that, then you would be building them DIY, actually in your case, more likely I would!

 

[Squishman]

What is political about this? It is all about how to practically respond to the realities of AV in rapidly changing circumstances. The only thing remotely political is how to react to changing circumstances caused by politicians. So you could just as easily call this post a reality check.

I think we will have many threads on how to cope with this here and so we should.

What it will mean especially for speakers, is that the only way to have them in anyway affordable will be DIY.

So if this goes ahead I think there will be an explosion of interest on our DIY forum. This is not political, but reality.

You have just upgraded your speakers. If you had waited a few months to do that, then you would be building them DIY, actually in your case, more likely I would!

I'm happy I went with the Kefs when I did.

 

[TLS Guy]

I'm happy I went with the Kefs when I did.

Same here. I think I lucked out more than you did!

 

[Squishman]

That would've been much too much of an imposition!

 

[highfigh]

They all have tariffs. They are not as extreme as China. Goods from China will become totally unaffordable, also Vietnam and South Korea.

TVs will become a luxury, and few will be able to afford them, when their current ones fail.

One thing I fear is that violent break-ins will become common place to steal items like TVs and computers.

This is going to be an absolute mess. A lot of companies of audio gear will go under. Pretty sure Sound United will be among the first to go.

I think it would take us years to gear up to make TVs and complex audio gear here. Complex ICs will be a particular problem, but we don't even make caps and resistors here in any quantity.

My hunch is that for audio there will be a return to simpler two channel gear, but that is all hard to predict.

Once any member looses a vital piece of equipment from failure, there will be tough choices.

It would not hurt to buy a receiver now, as a spare, before the prices skyrocket or become unavailable.

People will buy TVs- these are seen more as a necessity than a luxury item. People will buy what they decide that they need.

I recently began thinking about the equipment we sold at the stereo store in the late-'70s/early -'80s and the prices don't seem bad, if seen now- we sold Pioneer systems that included an integrated amp, tuner, cassette recorder, turntable/cartridge, speakers and a cabinet for $599, $799 and $999 with power output and qualityt of cassette/turntable/speakers dependent on price. If an inflation calculator is used, these would range from almost $2900 to $4900. I then realized why so many people bought them with 12 months, zero interest financing. We sold a huge number of these every time we had a big sale event, too.

People will find a way. It won't be easy, though.

WRT two channel vs surround- while I was discussing the wingnut with the blown B&W woofers, my friend & I caught up on things and I asked if they were still selling AV as well as just audio and he said they sell no video equipment at this time- the shop started as an audio dealer and has returned to it. I have asked the same question when discussing it with other contractors and interest in audio has increased, people aren't dedicating whole rooms to an AV system and minimizing use for other activities.

 

[highfigh]

I'm happy I went with the Kefs when I did.

They have had a lot of meetings regarding which models will see a price change and how large, recently. This kind of stuff doesn't make manufacturers happy, either.

 

[TLS Guy]

They have had a lot of meetings regarding which models will see a price change and how large, recently. This kind of stuff doesn't make manufacturers happy, either.

Manufacture will have to return back to Tovil in Kent. Their high end speakers are made there, so that will have to put it all back in Tovil now.

TVs from China will be totally out of reach for most people and TVs made in other Asian countries may be as well. I fear there may be lots of break ins to steal electronics and TVs especially. I am already thinking of beefing up our security, which is high already.

 

[j_garcia]

WE WILL NOT PAUSE TARIFFS!







Oh wait. We will. (except China).

We could literally have elected a chimp and gotten similar results.