speakerman39 Audioholic Overlord Feb 10, 2006 10,401 0 113 59 Apr 24, 2016 #41 So, does it look better? It seems more balanced. Got to do something about my cables, wires, and etc. Still doing some fine tuning as we speak. That is all for now as I am bushed......LOL!!!! Cheers, Phil
So, does it look better? It seems more balanced. Got to do something about my cables, wires, and etc. Still doing some fine tuning as we speak. That is all for now as I am bushed......LOL!!!! Cheers, Phil
afterlife2 Audioholic Warlord Oct 7, 2011 9,980 0 113 Apr 24, 2016 #42 So how do the Eagles sound to you? Did you use a chair to sit in the middle? Look wise 100 percent better! I think you need a recliner to purchase next. Kate Approves!!! Reactions: speakerman39
So how do the Eagles sound to you? Did you use a chair to sit in the middle? Look wise 100 percent better! I think you need a recliner to purchase next. Kate Approves!!!
speakerman39 Audioholic Overlord Feb 10, 2006 10,401 0 113 59 Apr 24, 2016 #43 afterlife2 said: So how do the Eagles sound to you? Did you use a chair to sit in the middle? Look wise 100 percent better! I think you need a recliner to purchase next. Kate Approves!!! Click to expand... The Eagles sound fantastic! Really enjoyed it. No, just sit right in the middle of my loveseat. Glad you think is looks better. Getting used to the sound as we speak. Got the Chronic in right now. Sure my neighbors can hear it....LOL!!!! Not really rocking out too much. Just a little bit! Cheers, Phil Reactions: afterlife2
afterlife2 said: So how do the Eagles sound to you? Did you use a chair to sit in the middle? Look wise 100 percent better! I think you need a recliner to purchase next. Kate Approves!!! Click to expand... The Eagles sound fantastic! Really enjoyed it. No, just sit right in the middle of my loveseat. Glad you think is looks better. Getting used to the sound as we speak. Got the Chronic in right now. Sure my neighbors can hear it....LOL!!!! Not really rocking out too much. Just a little bit! Cheers, Phil
speakerman39 Audioholic Overlord Feb 10, 2006 10,401 0 113 59 Apr 24, 2016 #44 Audyssey set my Front R and Front L both at 8.1'. Sub 1 (Right Side) at 13' and Sub 2 (Left Side) to 9.9'. The fronts were set to small with a Crossover at 60 Hz. The Subs were set to 120 Hz respectively. The front levels were the same at -5.5 whereas Sub 1 at -9.5 and Sub 2 -9.5. I then went back in a set the crossover for my fronts to 80 Hz and changed the LFE to 90 Hz. Like the way it sounds better. Was not real happy with the amount of bass I was getting at the MLP so I upped the levels on my AVR some. Okay maybe a lot......LOL!!!!! Like the bass much better now than before. Have not done anything with toe in just yet. Will do that maybe on another day. Right now, just enjoying listening to the Robin Hood Sound Track. Sounds fabulous! Cheers, Phil
Audyssey set my Front R and Front L both at 8.1'. Sub 1 (Right Side) at 13' and Sub 2 (Left Side) to 9.9'. The fronts were set to small with a Crossover at 60 Hz. The Subs were set to 120 Hz respectively. The front levels were the same at -5.5 whereas Sub 1 at -9.5 and Sub 2 -9.5. I then went back in a set the crossover for my fronts to 80 Hz and changed the LFE to 90 Hz. Like the way it sounds better. Was not real happy with the amount of bass I was getting at the MLP so I upped the levels on my AVR some. Okay maybe a lot......LOL!!!!! Like the bass much better now than before. Have not done anything with toe in just yet. Will do that maybe on another day. Right now, just enjoying listening to the Robin Hood Sound Track. Sounds fabulous! Cheers, Phil
fuzz092888 Audioholic Warlord Feb 13, 2012 9,103 0 113 42.3464° N, 71.0975° W Apr 24, 2016 #45 Why set the LFE to 90?
P PENG Audioholic Slumlord Oct 23, 2004 19,797 0 113 Ontario Apr 24, 2016 #46 speakerman39 said: Audyssey set my Front R and Front L both at 8.1'. Sub 1 (Right Side) at 13' and Sub 2 (Left Side) to 9.9'. The fronts were set to small with a Crossover at 60 Hz. The Subs were set to 120 Hz respectively. The front levels were the same at -5.5 whereas Sub 1 at -9.5 and Sub 2 -9.5. I then went back in a set the crossover for my fronts to 80 Hz and changed the LFE to 90 Hz. Like the way it sounds better. Was not real happy with the amount of bass I was getting at the MLP so I upped the levels on my AVR some. Okay maybe a lot......LOL!!!!! Like the bass much better now than before. Have not done anything with toe in just yet. Will do that maybe on another day. Right now, just enjoying listening to the Robin Hood Sound Track. Sounds fabulous! Cheers, Phil Click to expand... I highly recommend that you turn down the sub's volume know a notch and re-run Audyssey. Keep doing that until Audyssey let the speakers and sub levels closer to 0. -9.5 to me is a little too much. Once that's achieved, you can manually increase the level for the sub by 3 to 6 dB if you prefer to hear exaggerated bass and unless you listen at reference level loud, you need to turn on Dynamic EQ. That, is what will bring smile to your face and start to appreciate your sub more. Reactions: speakerman39
speakerman39 said: Audyssey set my Front R and Front L both at 8.1'. Sub 1 (Right Side) at 13' and Sub 2 (Left Side) to 9.9'. The fronts were set to small with a Crossover at 60 Hz. The Subs were set to 120 Hz respectively. The front levels were the same at -5.5 whereas Sub 1 at -9.5 and Sub 2 -9.5. I then went back in a set the crossover for my fronts to 80 Hz and changed the LFE to 90 Hz. Like the way it sounds better. Was not real happy with the amount of bass I was getting at the MLP so I upped the levels on my AVR some. Okay maybe a lot......LOL!!!!! Like the bass much better now than before. Have not done anything with toe in just yet. Will do that maybe on another day. Right now, just enjoying listening to the Robin Hood Sound Track. Sounds fabulous! Cheers, Phil Click to expand... I highly recommend that you turn down the sub's volume know a notch and re-run Audyssey. Keep doing that until Audyssey let the speakers and sub levels closer to 0. -9.5 to me is a little too much. Once that's achieved, you can manually increase the level for the sub by 3 to 6 dB if you prefer to hear exaggerated bass and unless you listen at reference level loud, you need to turn on Dynamic EQ. That, is what will bring smile to your face and start to appreciate your sub more.
speakerman39 Audioholic Overlord Feb 10, 2006 10,401 0 113 59 Apr 24, 2016 #47 fuzz092888 said: Why set the LFE to 90? Click to expand... Well, when I set everything to 80, it just sounds better to me at 90Hz. No real reason other than that. Have not done any toe-in just yet. So far, really like what I have been hearing. Certainly looks better and more balanced out. The will help my OCD.....LOL!!!!! Cheers, Phil
fuzz092888 said: Why set the LFE to 90? Click to expand... Well, when I set everything to 80, it just sounds better to me at 90Hz. No real reason other than that. Have not done any toe-in just yet. So far, really like what I have been hearing. Certainly looks better and more balanced out. The will help my OCD.....LOL!!!!! Cheers, Phil
fuzz092888 Audioholic Warlord Feb 13, 2012 9,103 0 113 42.3464° N, 71.0975° W Apr 24, 2016 #48 speakerman39 said: Well, when I set everything to 80, it just sounds better to me at 90Hz. No real reason other than that. Have not done any toe-in just yet. So far, really like what I have been hearing. Certainly looks better and more balanced out. The will help my OCD.....LOL!!!!! Cheers, Phil Click to expand... Have you been listening with movies? Specifically with movies with a lot of bass? If not, or if you've mainly been listening with music/TV, then the LFE setting doesn't do anything. LFE is only for movie soundtracks and what you've done by setting it to 90Hz is removed all LFE content above that. So if you've haven't been listening to movies with a lot of bang and boom, then changing the setting has been in your head. If you have and it sounds better at 90, then odds are you've a room/placement issue with your subs. Reactions: speakerman39
speakerman39 said: Well, when I set everything to 80, it just sounds better to me at 90Hz. No real reason other than that. Have not done any toe-in just yet. So far, really like what I have been hearing. Certainly looks better and more balanced out. The will help my OCD.....LOL!!!!! Cheers, Phil Click to expand... Have you been listening with movies? Specifically with movies with a lot of bass? If not, or if you've mainly been listening with music/TV, then the LFE setting doesn't do anything. LFE is only for movie soundtracks and what you've done by setting it to 90Hz is removed all LFE content above that. So if you've haven't been listening to movies with a lot of bang and boom, then changing the setting has been in your head. If you have and it sounds better at 90, then odds are you've a room/placement issue with your subs.
lovinthehd Audioholic Jedi Sep 11, 2012 44,861 0 113 Oakridge, OR Apr 24, 2016 #49 That candy collection cracks me up (and makes me worry about your consumption of same). Reactions: speakerman39
lovinthehd Audioholic Jedi Sep 11, 2012 44,861 0 113 Oakridge, OR Apr 24, 2016 #50 PENG said: I highly recommend that you turn down the sub's volume know a notch and re-run Audyssey. Keep doing that until Audyssey let the speakers and sub levels closer to 0. -9.5 to me is a little too much. Once that's achieved, you can manually increase the level for the sub by 3 to 6 dB if you prefer to hear exaggerated bass and unless you listen at reference level loud, you need to turn on Dynamic EQ. That, is what will bring smile to your face and start to appreciate your sub more. Click to expand... Why? -9.5 is great for a sub, especially if you're going to bump the level by 6dB. Let the speakers go where they will (they're set independently).
PENG said: I highly recommend that you turn down the sub's volume know a notch and re-run Audyssey. Keep doing that until Audyssey let the speakers and sub levels closer to 0. -9.5 to me is a little too much. Once that's achieved, you can manually increase the level for the sub by 3 to 6 dB if you prefer to hear exaggerated bass and unless you listen at reference level loud, you need to turn on Dynamic EQ. That, is what will bring smile to your face and start to appreciate your sub more. Click to expand... Why? -9.5 is great for a sub, especially if you're going to bump the level by 6dB. Let the speakers go where they will (they're set independently).
P PENG Audioholic Slumlord Oct 23, 2004 19,797 0 113 Ontario Apr 24, 2016 #51 lovinthehd said: Why? -9.5 is great for a sub, especially if you're going to bump the level by 6dB. Let the speakers go where they will (they're set independently). Click to expand... There is no problem with -9.5 at all, though being within -2.5 to the -12 limit, I wouldn't call it great, because there obviously won't be much room for left for flexibility. If for instance, you have to move the sub a little, and that may bring it over the limit. So I prefer to play with the sub volume to the point Audyssey sets the level closer to 0, say 0 to -5. A high -ve subout from the AVR also means the sub's own gain is set unnecessarily high, that is not a problem either but to me it is not about "problem" but more about optimizing. At the end of the day you do what you want, I have used different versions of Audyssey for quite a few years and am just trying to share my experience with the OP. Reactions: herbu
lovinthehd said: Why? -9.5 is great for a sub, especially if you're going to bump the level by 6dB. Let the speakers go where they will (they're set independently). Click to expand... There is no problem with -9.5 at all, though being within -2.5 to the -12 limit, I wouldn't call it great, because there obviously won't be much room for left for flexibility. If for instance, you have to move the sub a little, and that may bring it over the limit. So I prefer to play with the sub volume to the point Audyssey sets the level closer to 0, say 0 to -5. A high -ve subout from the AVR also means the sub's own gain is set unnecessarily high, that is not a problem either but to me it is not about "problem" but more about optimizing. At the end of the day you do what you want, I have used different versions of Audyssey for quite a few years and am just trying to share my experience with the OP.
lovinthehd Audioholic Jedi Sep 11, 2012 44,861 0 113 Oakridge, OR Apr 24, 2016 #52 PENG said: There is no problem with -9.5 at all, though being within -2.5 to the -12 limit, I wouldn't call it great, because there obviously won't be much room for left for flexibility. If for instance, you have to move the sub a little, and that may bring it over the limit. So I prefer to play with the sub volume to the point Audyssey sets the level closer to 0, say 0 to -5. A high -ve subout from the AVR also means the sub's own gain is set unnecessarily high, that is not a problem either but to me it is not about "problem" but more about optimizing. At the end of the day you do what you want, I have used different versions of Audyssey for quite a few years and am just trying to share my experience with the OP. Click to expand... Moving the sub would bring it over the limit? You've experienced this? Besides, why would you move the sub after running Audyssey rather than re-running Audyssey if you're going to move things around? The sub's gain may or may not be unnecessarily high, this isn't much of a test of that, but something to be aware of for sure. Agreed, same here.
PENG said: There is no problem with -9.5 at all, though being within -2.5 to the -12 limit, I wouldn't call it great, because there obviously won't be much room for left for flexibility. If for instance, you have to move the sub a little, and that may bring it over the limit. So I prefer to play with the sub volume to the point Audyssey sets the level closer to 0, say 0 to -5. A high -ve subout from the AVR also means the sub's own gain is set unnecessarily high, that is not a problem either but to me it is not about "problem" but more about optimizing. At the end of the day you do what you want, I have used different versions of Audyssey for quite a few years and am just trying to share my experience with the OP. Click to expand... Moving the sub would bring it over the limit? You've experienced this? Besides, why would you move the sub after running Audyssey rather than re-running Audyssey if you're going to move things around? The sub's gain may or may not be unnecessarily high, this isn't much of a test of that, but something to be aware of for sure. Agreed, same here.
P PENG Audioholic Slumlord Oct 23, 2004 19,797 0 113 Ontario Apr 24, 2016 #53 lovinthehd said: Moving the sub would bring it over the limit? You've experienced this? Besides, why would you move the sub after running Audyssey rather than re-running Audyssey if you're going to move things around? The sub's gain may or may not be unnecessarily high, this isn't much of a test of that, but something to be aware of for sure. Agreed, same here. Click to expand... In some cases, moving the sub a few inches could yield a few dB SPL. Yes, once upon the time I had to crawl one of my sub to get flatter response and in doing so I had to adjust the volume knob lower. Not that I had to as such, but only because my preference is to keep the trim level further away from the -12 limit. However, if I started out with -9.5, then I might not have a choice but to lower the volume knob position. Anyway, I was only citing an example, though it happened to be a real one that I had experienced. Again, I already said -9.5 is fine. Regarding the gain, in general unnecessary higher gain could mean unnecessary poorer SN. So I prefer not to attenuate the sub out level too much unnecessarily. Again YMMV. If you want to discuss this further, we should probably do it offline before the OP complains. Better still, I have no trouble leaving this as personal preference, no right or wrong, just preference. Reactions: speakerman39
lovinthehd said: Moving the sub would bring it over the limit? You've experienced this? Besides, why would you move the sub after running Audyssey rather than re-running Audyssey if you're going to move things around? The sub's gain may or may not be unnecessarily high, this isn't much of a test of that, but something to be aware of for sure. Agreed, same here. Click to expand... In some cases, moving the sub a few inches could yield a few dB SPL. Yes, once upon the time I had to crawl one of my sub to get flatter response and in doing so I had to adjust the volume knob lower. Not that I had to as such, but only because my preference is to keep the trim level further away from the -12 limit. However, if I started out with -9.5, then I might not have a choice but to lower the volume knob position. Anyway, I was only citing an example, though it happened to be a real one that I had experienced. Again, I already said -9.5 is fine. Regarding the gain, in general unnecessary higher gain could mean unnecessary poorer SN. So I prefer not to attenuate the sub out level too much unnecessarily. Again YMMV. If you want to discuss this further, we should probably do it offline before the OP complains. Better still, I have no trouble leaving this as personal preference, no right or wrong, just preference.
speakerman39 Audioholic Overlord Feb 10, 2006 10,401 0 113 59 Apr 24, 2016 #54 PENG said: I highly recommend that you turn down the sub's volume know a notch and re-run Audyssey. Keep doing that until Audyssey let the speakers and sub levels closer to 0. -9.5 to me is a little too much. Once that's achieved, you can manually increase the level for the sub by 3 to 6 dB if you prefer to hear exaggerated bass and unless you listen at reference level loud, you need to turn on Dynamic EQ. That, is what will bring smile to your face and start to appreciate your sub more. Click to expand... I fully leveled matched them before running Audyssey to 75 db. Turned up the levels to -5 db on both. That helped a lot. Will work with it more on another day. Cooking right now and got to make some calls. Time to check in with my daughter and grandsons. I also call both of my brothers every Sunday. I will rerun Audyssey on another day. Just worn out now. Cheers, Phil
PENG said: I highly recommend that you turn down the sub's volume know a notch and re-run Audyssey. Keep doing that until Audyssey let the speakers and sub levels closer to 0. -9.5 to me is a little too much. Once that's achieved, you can manually increase the level for the sub by 3 to 6 dB if you prefer to hear exaggerated bass and unless you listen at reference level loud, you need to turn on Dynamic EQ. That, is what will bring smile to your face and start to appreciate your sub more. Click to expand... I fully leveled matched them before running Audyssey to 75 db. Turned up the levels to -5 db on both. That helped a lot. Will work with it more on another day. Cooking right now and got to make some calls. Time to check in with my daughter and grandsons. I also call both of my brothers every Sunday. I will rerun Audyssey on another day. Just worn out now. Cheers, Phil
speakerman39 Audioholic Overlord Feb 10, 2006 10,401 0 113 59 Apr 24, 2016 #55 lovinthehd said: Moving the sub would bring it over the limit? You've experienced this? Besides, why would you move the sub after running Audyssey rather than re-running Audyssey if you're going to move things around? The sub's gain may or may not be unnecessarily high, this isn't much of a test of that, but something to be aware of for sure. Agreed, same here. Click to expand... I moved my subs because I took my audio stand out altogether. Then, I moved my AVR, BR Player, and my DVR onto my tv stand. As such, I reran Audyssey. In fact, I did a complete factory reset of my AVR. Then, I did go in and make some changes to the settings. Cheers, Phil Last edited: Apr 24, 2016 Reactions: PENG
lovinthehd said: Moving the sub would bring it over the limit? You've experienced this? Besides, why would you move the sub after running Audyssey rather than re-running Audyssey if you're going to move things around? The sub's gain may or may not be unnecessarily high, this isn't much of a test of that, but something to be aware of for sure. Agreed, same here. Click to expand... I moved my subs because I took my audio stand out altogether. Then, I moved my AVR, BR Player, and my DVR onto my tv stand. As such, I reran Audyssey. In fact, I did a complete factory reset of my AVR. Then, I did go in and make some changes to the settings. Cheers, Phil
speakerman39 Audioholic Overlord Feb 10, 2006 10,401 0 113 59 Apr 24, 2016 #56 fuzz092888 said: Have you been listening with movies? Specifically with movies with a lot of bass? If not, or if you've mainly been listening with music/TV, then the LFE setting doesn't do anything. LFE is only for movie soundtracks and what you've done by setting it to 90Hz is removed all LFE content above that. So if you've haven't been listening to movies with a lot of bang and boom, then changing the setting has been in your head. If you have and it sounds better at 90, then odds are you've a room/placement issue with your subs. Click to expand... No, haven't watched a movie. Just listened to Hell Freezes Over on DVD is all. Played a few of my CD's that I know real well. To me, it sounds better at 90 Hz than at 80. I can hear a difference between the two. I don't use my set-up for watching tv. Reason being, really don't watch much tv. When I do, just watch it w/o turning on my AVR. Cheers, Phil
fuzz092888 said: Have you been listening with movies? Specifically with movies with a lot of bass? If not, or if you've mainly been listening with music/TV, then the LFE setting doesn't do anything. LFE is only for movie soundtracks and what you've done by setting it to 90Hz is removed all LFE content above that. So if you've haven't been listening to movies with a lot of bang and boom, then changing the setting has been in your head. If you have and it sounds better at 90, then odds are you've a room/placement issue with your subs. Click to expand... No, haven't watched a movie. Just listened to Hell Freezes Over on DVD is all. Played a few of my CD's that I know real well. To me, it sounds better at 90 Hz than at 80. I can hear a difference between the two. I don't use my set-up for watching tv. Reason being, really don't watch much tv. When I do, just watch it w/o turning on my AVR. Cheers, Phil
P PENG Audioholic Slumlord Oct 23, 2004 19,797 0 113 Ontario Apr 24, 2016 #57 speakerman39 said: I fully leveled matched them before running Audyssey to 75 db. Turned up the levels to -5 db on both. That helped a lot. Will work with it more on another day. Cooking right now and got to make some calls. Time to check in with my daughter and grandsons. I also call both of my brothers every Sunday. I will rerun Audyssey on another day. Just worn out now. Cheers, Phil Click to expand... Hi Phil, if you have some spare time, here's a good read on some Audyssey do's and don'ts: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=159948 To be clear, practically anything within the +/- 12 dB limits are fine. My point about the closer to 0 thing is just my own preference for reasons I cited, but I am an Audioholic who will do things that may look better on paper but may not result in audible difference. Reactions: Alex2507 and speakerman39
speakerman39 said: I fully leveled matched them before running Audyssey to 75 db. Turned up the levels to -5 db on both. That helped a lot. Will work with it more on another day. Cooking right now and got to make some calls. Time to check in with my daughter and grandsons. I also call both of my brothers every Sunday. I will rerun Audyssey on another day. Just worn out now. Cheers, Phil Click to expand... Hi Phil, if you have some spare time, here's a good read on some Audyssey do's and don'ts: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=159948 To be clear, practically anything within the +/- 12 dB limits are fine. My point about the closer to 0 thing is just my own preference for reasons I cited, but I am an Audioholic who will do things that may look better on paper but may not result in audible difference.
speakerman39 Audioholic Overlord Feb 10, 2006 10,401 0 113 59 Apr 24, 2016 #58 PENG said: Hi Phil, if you have some spare time, here's a good read on some Audyssey do's and don'ts: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=159948 To be clear, practically anything within the +/- 12 dB limits are fine. My point about the closer to 0 thing is just my own preference for reasons I cited, but I am an Audioholic who will do things that may look better on paper but may not result in audible difference. Click to expand... Thanks for the link. Will read up on it for sure. One of these days I got to take some measurements so I can see what is really going on. Things sure look different now. Kind of like it too. Cheers, Phil
PENG said: Hi Phil, if you have some spare time, here's a good read on some Audyssey do's and don'ts: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=159948 To be clear, practically anything within the +/- 12 dB limits are fine. My point about the closer to 0 thing is just my own preference for reasons I cited, but I am an Audioholic who will do things that may look better on paper but may not result in audible difference. Click to expand... Thanks for the link. Will read up on it for sure. One of these days I got to take some measurements so I can see what is really going on. Things sure look different now. Kind of like it too. Cheers, Phil
H highfigh Seriously, I have no life. Sep 14, 2008 24,209 0 113 Apr 24, 2016 #59 speakerman39 said: Just hope I made the right call. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Phil Click to expand... Is this your concession stand? Attachments upload_2016-4-21_8-8-2.png 802.7 KB · Views: 488 Reactions: speakerman39
speakerman39 said: Just hope I made the right call. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Phil Click to expand... Is this your concession stand?
speakerman39 Audioholic Overlord Feb 10, 2006 10,401 0 113 59 Apr 24, 2016 #60 highfigh said: View attachment 18089 Is this your concession stand? Click to expand... YOU could say that.....LOL!!!! So, does it look better? Still got to clean up the wire/cable mess. Need to also take some room measurements to see what really is going on. Just a work in progress.....LOL!!!! Cheers, Phil
highfigh said: View attachment 18089 Is this your concession stand? Click to expand... YOU could say that.....LOL!!!! So, does it look better? Still got to clean up the wire/cable mess. Need to also take some room measurements to see what really is going on. Just a work in progress.....LOL!!!! Cheers, Phil
