Pre amp setup ?

[CajunLB]

You’re not sending much to your subs by running your mains full range. I think it’s been mentioned to run all speakers as small and 80hz crossover. The way it is now with your mains set large and full range means very little info is being sent to LFE(subwoofer) ch.

 

[lovinthehd]

In the menu under "bass" you should have it set to "LFE", NOT "LFE + Main" and "LPF for LFE" should be at 120. Leave it that way. Don't change it, that is for 5.1 only and has zero effect on stereo for music.

Onkyo uses double bass instead of LFE+Main for terminology....

 

[Pogre]

Aw. So only the speaker setting is changing the sound. Gotcha.

Yes. "LPF for LFE" should be at 120 hz. No double bass! That setting is just for the .1 in 5.1 stuff like movies and such.

 

[lovinthehd]

Aw. So only the speaker setting is changing the sound. Gotcha.

The LPF of LFE won't even affect any upmixing from 2ch for music. It's for multich movie/music content where the .1 channel is given content.

 

[Pogre]

Onkyo uses double bass instead of LFE+Main for terminology....

Just saw that in his last couple images. Phew...

 

[Pogre]

I don’t have a LFE + main option. It’s either on or off

On your avr it's listed as "double bass", which you have turned off, which is where we want it.

 

[lovinthehd]

Onkyo also uses a crossover figure vs full range on the speaker level for terminology, rather than that stupid large/small stuff, at least on my older Onkyo it did.

 

[Dreamweaverx5000]

So turn double bass off? It will not disable the second LFE pre out . It does have 2 or .2

 

[Pogre]

Onkyo also uses a crossover figure vs full range on the speaker level for terminology, rather than that stupid large/small stuff, at least on my older Onkyo it did.

So in that case he's gonna want it on the crossover figure, and NOT full range? Asking as well as stating, lol.

 

[Dreamweaverx5000]

That’s correct 40-200 crossover or Full are the options under Mains

 

[Pogre]

So turn double bass off? It will not disable the second LFE pre out . It does have 2 or .2

Turn double bass off. All that does is send the bass frequencies to both your speakers and subs, bypassing your crossover. Hence "double bass".

 

[Dreamweaverx5000]

Yeah that’s the pic showing 90 currently on the main.

 

[Pogre]

That’s correct 40-200 crossover or Full are the options under Mains

80 hz crossover, not "full".

 

[Dreamweaverx5000]

Ok double off... well actually I’m noticing now. As soon as FULL is not selected, then it automatically disables Double Bass option. It’s grey out

 

[lovinthehd]

That damn LPF of LFE probably should have been left off avrs altogether.....it causes far more confusion that it offers any particular benefit of use.

 

[Pogre]

But I disagree about your advice not being good for my issues even with HLC. Your right about speaker positioning, that’s the first thing that helped. And then also helping with REW. And it started getting better.

Well... thank you for that! I was under the impression that no progress was made at all, but I'm glad to know we've been helpful in some capacity.

 

[lovinthehd]

Ok double off... well actually I’m noticing now. As soon as FULL is not selected, then it automatically disables Double Bass option. It’s grey out

Your manual would have the rules as to what speakers can be set to having a crossover vs double bass and the routing of LFE info without a sub when doing so, that sort of thing. Generally if your mains are set to use crossover the double bass type setting will be disabled. There are some avrs that can provide some flexibility in 2ch mode for this, but doubt yours has such.

 

[Pogre]

That damn LPF of LFE probably should have been left off avrs altogether.....it causes far more confusion that it offers any particular benefit of use.

Yes!! The reason I zeroed in on it so fast is my own personal experience early on and being confused about it myself. They should just get rid if it altogether.

 

[lovinthehd]

Yes!! The reason I zeroed in on it so fast is my own personal experience early on and being confused about it myself. They should just get rid if it altogether.

Part of the problem is the way LFE and "subs" have been intertwined in the terminology somewhat. Just different things going on, sometimes together.

 

[Dreamweaverx5000]

well the null reversed. still no peq yet. green is the new one. Orange is the LFE after AccuQ but before 80 crossover.