Petition to ban political threads

[sjdgpt]

Ban or No Ban

that be the question.

The title to this thread clearly stated the purpose of the thread.

Good Title.

Some of the political threads have not been clearly marked.

I voted to ban political threads. Actually my vote is ban threads that are not clearly identified as to their content, or parts of threads the digress into subjects other than the title.

 

[mulester7]

.....I've got a message for all you guys who proudly proclaim being of the republican persuasion while holding the elephant banners high spreading the republican platform reasonings far-and-wide as to why tax dollars should not leave Washington, D.C., looking upon minorities as those to be hated, and earn less than 200K annually......

.....george loves ya' and laughs at ya'.....

 

[mulester7]

.....I say there's simply not enough rungs on the ladder-of-success for everyone to be able to climb....I thank God most persons considered poor, DO, have at least a scant amount of recreational and communication amenities, such as a TV or CD player or cheap Cricket cell-phone, to help them deal with what would surely be probable depression and a sense of giving up derived from what appears to be their assigned lot in life....I stop and look at all the material possessions I have been blessed with, in abundance, simply by doors of opportunity opening through a measure of God's Grace when I didn't really do a thing for the doors to open, and I feel a sense of accountability on my part....I don't have to look very far to observe many precious little children being raised by parents who have a rich history of having doors of opportunity slammed and locked in their faces....by the time the children enter adulthood, such unyieldingly locked doors in their lives, are likely expected through conditioning....to hear someone who appears to be even marginally successful proclaim they are self-made, and did it ALL by themselves, causes me to feel genuine pity....again, there's simply not enough rungs on the ladder-of-success for everyone to be able to climb....a normal ecomomy, and reality, appears throughout history to dictate such, and I suspect there will always be the haves, and the have-nots......

 

[CaliHwyPatrol]

.....I say there's simply not enough rungs on the ladder-of-success for everyone to be able to climb....I thank God most persons considered poor, DO, have at least a scant amount of recreational and communication amenities, such as a TV or CD player or cheap Cricket cell-phone, to help them deal with what would surely be probable depression and a sense of giving up derived from what appears to be their assigned lot in life....I stop and look at all the material possessions I have been blessed with, in abundance, simply by doors of opportunity opening through a measure of God's Grace when I didn't really do a thing for the doors to open, and I feel a sense of accountability on my part....I don't have to look very far to observe many precious little children being raised by parents who have a rich history of having doors of opportunity slammed and locked in their faces....by the time the children enter adulthood, such unyieldingly locked doors in their lives, are likely expected through conditioning....to hear someone who appears to be even marginally successful proclaim they are self-made, and did it ALL by themselves, causes me to feel genuine pity....again, there's simply not enough rungs on the ladder-of-success for everyone to be able to climb....a normal ecomomy, and reality, appears throughout history to dictate such, and I suspect there will always be the haves, and the have-nots......

In the words of George Carlin, "There are a few winners, and a whole lotta losers..."

~Chuck

 

[racquetman]

that be the question.

The title to this thread clearly stated the purpose of the thread.

Good Title.

Some of the political threads have not been clearly marked.

I voted to ban political threads. Actually my vote is ban threads that are not clearly identified as to their content, or parts of threads the digress into subjects other than the title.

The title of the thread wasn't that clear - it was quite cryptic actually. Here's the real title:

I have a God complex and I think I have the power to tell everyone else what they can talk about. Since I don't like political threads, neither should you, so vote yes so I don't have to be annoyed by them anymore.

You need a secret decoded pin to decipher this, so I thought I'd do it for you.

 

[sts9fan]

The title of the thread wasn't that clear - it was quite cryptic actually. Here's the real title:

I have a God complex and I think I have the power to tell everyone else what they can talk about. Since I don't like political threads, neither should you, so vote yes so I don't have to be annoyed by them anymore.

That made me laugh thanks.

Mulester your a good man I like you!

Ok and now for that stuff from The Heritage Foundation. How do you ever expect to get a point across by using material from one of the most notoriously partisan "foundation" in this country? They have a well stated agenda. These are a bunch of Tom Delay's buddies who are just as morally corrupt as he is.

Question for Clint: Do you think because the poor in America have it so good it would be ok to kick'em down a notch?

Thats what that article is saying right? F those guys lets keep more of our money and all they will lose is the dvd player.
So the article states that out of 35 million poor it says 13% or 4.5 million people have experienced hunger. Do you think that would raise if social prgrams like foodstamps and wic are done away with?
Also the space argument is a moot point because it is not apples to apples. We have a lot more space here then in other countries so that argument is really irrelevent.
My main point is(you say I never have one) do you really want to make the american poor to become really poor in you book? Do you want to make America more like the rest of the world or do you think we are better because we take care of our people? Mulester is right there just isn't enough rungs on the latter sometimes.

 

[Audioholics]

Wow. Ad hom attacks, presumption AND misrepresentation all in one post! Keep going, you're on a roll!

 

[sts9fan]

Ok you tell me

Ok my bad what do you think is the intended conclusion of that Heritage article? That they don't need the help? That its ok to stay the same? That they need more help?

 

[annunaki]

For the record, I am an Independent with no party affiliations. I want what is best for America and it's CITIZENS. Let's face it, many of the social programs in this country are failing because people do not want to get off of them. There is no incentive. The program's' intentions were to give aid for a awhile until you get on, or back on your feet, NOT to be a way of life. The intention is good the execution is horrible.

The less government control we have the better of we all will be. People need to start taking initiative and responsibility again. That is not to say that it would be easy or that a person or two wouldn't be offended. The less government control the less we pay in taxes as well. The government should go back to what it was originally intended to do, Protect the country, Set a foundation of laws and rights and Watch our borders, That's it. The people take care of themselves and make the laws (by voting in the lawmakers they choose). If you're lazy and do not take care of yourself or vote then it is your own fault.

 

[masak_aer]

I believe in Karma, what you take from others will be taken away from you somehow. What is up will be down some time. What you did to people will be done to you as well. What we need here is BALANCE. There's no absolute correctness from either Sts9Fan and MacManNM arguments. Each has valid point of views but if any of you push your views to the extreme, people will react against you.

I have been following this thread for my afternoon pass time and saddened by the knowledge that we've all been fed by political nonsense from the media (that includes the link from Clint and no, I'm not attacking you on anything). Who knows what is really true or false if you got it off the internet, magazine or even textbooks? Who can guarantee that the writers of the articles have no political agenda? I, myself, read these stuff but only for my own knowledge and always try to compare to others that say a completely different thing. I only try to get a balanced information.

These threads have been swayed away by again another politics talks. I don't mind politics as long as you don't start calling names. What is the point of telling people stupid, ignorant or whatever? You are insulting a person's intelligence and self-esteem over nonsense. Even if you make your point across, do you really think you're gonna change to political view of this country? NO.

All we want is welfare for our family and for our country. We are steered by the government which sometimes should be ticketed for reckless driving (see Clinton, he got his president's license revoked). We do what we gotta do, for me, first: my immediate family, second: my fellow countrymen. I won't beg for money from the government but if they want to give me some i woulnd't mind since i also pay taxes. I have paid my dues to the country and whatever they decide to do, let it be their responsibilities. We can argue to death here but still you have to pay taxes.

At last, I am sitting on my couch at the end of the day, sipping my beer and watching Ice Age again while enjoying my speakers blasting next to my ears.


PS: I have done my tax return this year and Hurray, I got a refund!! (my own money actually, I just give it to the government to keep it for me for a year)

 

[tbewick]

'Thats what that article is saying right? F those guys lets keep more of our money and all they will lose is the dvd player.
So the article states that out of 35 million poor it says 13% or 4.5 million people have experienced hunger. Do you think that would raise if social prgrams like foodstamps and wic are done away with?
Also the space argument is a moot point because it is not apples to apples. We have a lot more space here then in other countries so that argument is really irrelevent.
My main point is(you say I never have one) do you really want to make the american poor to become really poor in you book? Do you want to make America more like the rest of the world or do you think we are better because we take care of our people? Mulester is right there just isn't enough rungs on the latter sometimes.' - sts9fan

I think it's sometimes easy to forget that since the dawn of mankind, virtually everyone who ever lived and died was dirt poor. One of the main reasons we live well in the Western world is because of science. It is not because we have an unfair share of the world's resources or that we are uncaring of the poor. In his time in office, George Bush has increased considerably the amount of aid given to poorer countries.

'The less government control we have the better of we all will be. People need to start taking initiative and responsibility again. That is not to say that it would be easy or that a person or two wouldn't be offended. The less government control the less we pay in taxes as well. The government should go back to what it was originally intended to do, Protect the country, Set a foundation of laws and rights and Watch our borders, That's it. The people take care of themselves and make the laws (by voting in the lawmakers they choose). If you're lazy and do not take care of yourself or vote then it is your own fault.' - annunaki

This sounds similar to the policies adopted by the Republicans in the 1920's.

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

The "everyone for themselves" ideal is a larger fantasy than the "free money for everyone" crowd. We'll start with the "#1 priority is me & my family" group. Obviously these people have never seen a: retirement home, prison, mental hospital, orphanage, daycare center, nursing home, etc etc etc.

The government created these facilities, not to watse our money, but history clearly shows that people will abandon their precious precious family for dead before they inconvenience themselves with supporting anyone else. Since society has deemed this is tantamount to murder, we have these institutions because people DO NOT/ WILL NOT put their family first, and everybody is somebodies family. (Sure you might live with grandma and your middle aged children, and their children in one 2 bedroom apartment, but you are not 99.99999% of America).

Is "welfare" for the able bodied flawed? Of course it is. A simple spending cap (lets say: 6 months of benefits for every 5 years of work) would appease most people, but good luck convincing the government workers: Every 5 people on a lifetime of welfare means another 3 people get jobs handing out checks and telling the first 5 not to have more babies. Since a huge chunk of the workforce (how many tens of thousands "work for welfare"?) are not going to simply walk away from their government benefits, pensions, and paychecks YOU are going to have to do something about it (what? I dunno..... taking dwn the system has hstorically been very bloody and involved entire armies).

On top of that we have Joe Schmoe who recieved a head injury in the Army and can't work because he flies into homicidal rages or has a Gran Mal seizure daily, or maybe Leopold Schwartz who was born deformed because of the governments mandated Thalidomide "vaccinations". This isn't even counting every Jack & Jill who simply lived past their retirement savings (and who really thought a nursing home would cost $6000/month when they started saving in 1956?).

The "welfare problem" extends well beyond a few lazy sacks of crap, but nobody wants to admit that part of it. And they certainly don't want to shelter these people in their houses just to get them off the assistance.

 

[Audioholics]

You really start to realize how important family is when you consider these matters. We truly should take care of our own.

My main thought is that sometimes it's easier to throw money at a problem than evaluate whether you are helping or hurting. We need to help the truly disabled. The rest will benefit more from being taught how to fish, not just by being given fish to eat. I think our politicians are lazy - and we as Americans allow them to be because we equate more money with caring.

Money can be a curse or a prison to those who don't understand how to use it for good.

 

[annunaki]

'Thats what that article is saying right? F those guys lets keep more of our money and all they will lose is the dvd player.
So the article states that out of 35 million poor it says 13% or 4.5 million people have experienced hunger. Do you think that would raise if social prgrams like food stamps and wic are done away with?
Also the space argument is a moot point because it is not apples to apples. We have a lot more space here then in other countries so that argument is really irrelevant.
My main point is(you say I never have one) do you really want to make the American poor to become really poor in you book? Do you want to make America more like the rest of the world or do you think we are better because we take care of our people? Mulester is right there just isn't enough rungs on the latter sometimes.' - sts9fan

I think it's sometimes easy to forget that since the dawn of mankind, virtually everyone who ever lived and died was dirt poor. One of the main reasons we live well in the Western world is because of science. It is not because we have an unfair share of the world's resources or that we are uncaring of the poor. In his time in office, George Bush has increased considerably the amount of aid given to poorer countries.

'The less government control we have the better of we all will be. People need to start taking initiative and responsibility again. That is not to say that it would be easy or that a person or two wouldn't be offended. The less government control the less we pay in taxes as well. The government should go back to what it was originally intended to do, Protect the country, Set a foundation of laws and rights and Watch our borders, That's it. The people take care of themselves and make the laws (by voting in the lawmakers they choose). If you're lazy and do not take care of yourself or vote then it is your own fault.' - annunaki

This sounds similar to the policies adopted by the Republicans in the 1920's.

It is too bad that the country as a whole has stepped away from that philosophy.

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

And we should all be happy we can even have political discussions. If this were Audioholics.Cn and not Audioholics.com the government would have shut the whole site down page page 2 and Gene & Clint would be getting genitally electrocuted right now for allowing the rest of us to complain about the government on their forum.

But I must wonder, are internet forums protected under freedom of Speech or freedom of Assembly?

 

[majorloser]

And we should all be happy we can even have political discussions. If this were Audioholics.Cn and not Audioholics.com the government would have shut the whole site down page page 2 and Gene & Clint would be getting genitally electrocuted right now for allowing the rest of us to complain about the government on their forum.

But I must wonder, are internet forums protected under freedom of Speech or freedom of Assembly?

Actually, since I'm typing this right now on a government computer, it will fall under the FOIA. They will come and subpoena the whole server network............Uh, I got to go...........I think their monitoring...........as I quickly open up a Word document to make it look like I'm working............

 

[sts9fan]

It is too bad that the country as a whole has stepped away from that philosophy.

hahahahahahahahah

Do do know that republicans at that time were the liberals right? The Democrats were the ones trying to "preseve the constitution".

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

You really start to realize how important family is when you consider these matters. We truly should take care of our own.

My main thought is that sometimes it's easier to throw money at a problem than evaluate whether you are helping or hurting. We need to help the truly disabled. The rest will benefit more from being taught how to fish, not just by being given fish to eat. I think our politicians are lazy - and we as Americans allow them to be because we equate more money with caring.

Money can be a curse or a prison to those who don't understand how to use it for good.

And on another thought, political action committees are some of the hardest working Americans. We should find a way to transpose pac employees with politicians.

 

[MacManNM]

Actually, since I'm typing this right now on a government computer, it will fall under the FOIA. They will come and subpoena the whole server network............Uh, I got to go...........I think their monitoring...........as I quickly open up a Word document to make it look like I'm working............

Are you a Patrick?

 

[majorloser]

Are you a Patrick?

Right down the street. I home now. I live about 1/2 mile from Patrick.

EDIT: Now I can get back to what the internet was meant for!

EDIT Part2: A C-5 just flew overhead.