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[MacManNM]

Flat tax is a bit Socialist don't you think?? Don't want to be called a Pinko do ya??

Sure 2% sales tax across the board, thats socialist? So if everyone contributes, thats socialist, but government run health care isn't?

 

[sts9fan]

If you want to help others then go ahead, why should I have to? You want to keep crime down? Then lets make prison like it used to be, commit a crime go to jail, you only eat if one of your family or friends brings you food. See what happens to the crime rate then. You libs are too nice. I worked my way up from nothing, I educated myself, I worked and got where I am today by myself. No help form anyone. If I can do it then so can anyone. Get off your high horse. You don't know what it's like searching for things to sell, or looking in the street for change so you can buy milk for the kids. I do, and I got out of it.

Man you are textbook!! I get it now!!

You had it rough (so you claim) and now you want others to suffer like you did. Talk about the human condition huh??!! Why not try to prevent others from having to suffer like you did?? Whats wrong with that? You basicly say you want people to suffer. I feel bad for you and your family. Do you kick your dog??

 

[MacManNM]

Man you are textbook!! I get it now!!

You had it rough (so you claim) and now you want others to suffer like you did. Talk about the human condition huh??!! Why not try to prevent others from having to suffer like you did?? Whats wrong with that? You basicly say you want people to suffer. I feel bad for you and your family. Do you kick your dog??

I'll tell you what's wrong with it. People are lazy. When you hand them something for free, they expect it. When they are raised in this fashion, it breeds generations of lazy people. The more money you throw at it, the worse the problem gets. Now there is an expectation that “the government wont let me die, so I don’t have to do anything”. You really think there are poor people in this country? How many of those “poor” people have a tv, and cable, and a vcr, a DVD, a car? Is that poor? I think not. People need motivation to get off their asses and work. Handing them free food and shelter motivates no one. People used to be ashamed to be on welfare, now it’s a part of their life.

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

Yes and people that make between 0-40k actually get paid by the government. How is this fair?

My check must have got lost in the mail every week .....

 

[MacManNM]

Man you are textbook!! I get it now!!

You had it rough (so you claim) and now you want others to suffer like you did. Talk about the human condition huh??!! Why not try to prevent others from having to suffer like you did?? Whats wrong with that? You basicly say you want people to suffer. I feel bad for you and your family. Do you kick your dog??

No, I don’t want people to suffer, I want them to achieve. They never will with handouts.

You libs are all the same, you claim to care about the environment, yet you drive SUV’s, you care about the poor, so you blast the rich and say they don’t do anything about it. Where do you think all of those tax breaks come from? Charity. You want to help? Go volunteer at the boys club; it is worth more than any money you pay in taxes. Will you do that? I’d bet not.

 

[sts9fan]

Your bitter at what you had to go through that is the long and short of it. Well guess what. You are going to be paying for all these people for the rest of your life. How ya like them apples?

 

[sts9fan]

You libs are all the same, you claim to care about the environment, yet you drive SUV’s, you care about the poor, so you blast the rich and say they don’t do anything about it. Where do you think all of those tax breaks come from? Charity. You want to help? Go volunteer at the boys club; it is worth more than any money you pay in taxes. Will you do that? I’d bet not.

You have no clue. I drive a honda civic. Yes I am a chemist and my wife a lawyer. I can afford MUCH more but my junk is big enough that it does not need enhancment. Also I do serve food at a local homeless shelter and no I do not kick the homeless when they are down.

 

[MacManNM]

See, a person can't have a logical debate with you people. I bring up a point, and you answer with insults, instead of bringing up some sort of argument.

 

[MacManNM]

My check must have got lost in the mail every week .....

It of course depends on how many deductions you have. I have a buddy, that was making 80k/yr, he has 6 kids, and would get paid 2k/yr by the govt.

 

[BMXTRIX]

I hate when those AVS guys find their way over here. ;D

Really, the issue at hand is that THIS topic has now been hijacked and the original poster is very much now someone I would question for allowing it to continue.

MacMann misses the entire concept of what hijacking a thread means and then immediately starts saying things which may be arguable, and does so in a decent manner, but in the TOTAL wrong post.

But, the original poster...
sts9fan: "Not that you care (for anyone but yourself) but you are a bad person."

This is why perhaps some people should refrain from posting period. Insulting others should never be acceptable behaviour and responses that are not in line with a discussion topic should be dealt with by moderators. Not that Clint should necessarily be bothered, but a decent moderator of the Steam Vent can PM people directly and remove posts directly that are out of line with the positive vibe these forums have.

Some people may need to be banned for going after other people, instead of arguing the case in discussion.

Others need to just keep their mouths shut for a complete inability to be civil to other humans when they disagree.

You don't agree with me? Man, what a bunch of fags.

 

[MacManNM]

Technically Buck hijacked the thread, I just went with it. But isn't that what the steam vent is about? Utter chaos? Just kidding. I don’t have a problem talking off topic, as long as people can be civilized. Clint or Gene, can you please move my posts and any other pertaining to the subject matter to a new thread? That way we all can maintain happiness!

Sorry about the off topic.

 

[sts9fan]

Personally I found that little aside quite amusing in an ironic sort of way. Do to the title of the thread.

off to work

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

Technically Buck hijacked the thread, I just went with it. But isn't that what the steam vent is about? Utter chaos?

"Two by two with hands of blue... Squish! ... I swallowed a bug."

 

[furrycute]

Growing up, my family is by no means wealthy. I got through college, grad school essentially on federal/state student aid and student loans. You will be amazed how much assistance a poor college/grad school student can receive from the taxpayers. If it weren't for all those tax supported student financial aid, I would never have gotten through all my schooling. For this I am greatful, and I would like to contribute in turn my share to support other financially disavantaged students.

And I would like to add the myth of an entirely self made made rising up from a poor family. In college and grad school, a financially disavantaged student invariably receive valuable government assistance in the form of educational grants and loans. And even for grade 1-12, if you enroll in public schools, you are invariably receiving a free education supported by tax payers.


A flat tax is by no means fair to the poor. With a flat tax, the poor bear disproportinately a much greater share of the tax burden compared to a progressive tax system.

 

[BMXTRIX]

Furry it's a good conversation... how about a new topic to discuss it civilly?

 

[MacManNM]

Growing up, my family is by no means wealthy. I got through college, grad school essentially on federal/state student aid and student loans. You will be amazed how much assistance a poor college/grad school student can receive from the taxpayers. If it weren't for all those tax supported student financial aid, I would never have gotten through all my schooling. For this I am greatful, and I would like to contribute in turn my share to support other financially disavantaged students.

And I would like to add the myth of an entirely self made made rising up from a poor family. In college and grad school, a financially disavantaged student invariably receive valuable government assistance in the form of educational grants and loans. And even for grade 1-12, if you enroll in public schools, you are invariably receiving a free education supported by tax payers.


A flat tax is by no means fair to the poor. With a flat tax, the poor bear disproportinately a much greater share of the tax burden compared to a progressive tax system.

It's called get a job and work through college.

With a flat tax, the poor bear disproportinately a much greater share of the tax burden compared to a progressive tax system

Explain this one. They earn less, spend less and are taxed less. How is that disproportional? Hence the name "FLAT TAX"

 

[chicagomd]

A flat tax, while it sounds nice, is actually considered a "regressive tax" or a tax that burdens the poor more than the rich because exactly because the poor pay the same percentage of their income in taxes as the rich. The rich can use a higher precentage of their income for non-essential expenses than the poor. If you make $40,000 a year, most of that, like 98% is going towards living expenses, raising the family, etc. If you make $4 Million a year, you might have $1 million dedicated to living, but that is still only 25%. So 5% out hits you less hard than the guy making 40k.

For example:
If you make $30,000 a year and get taxed at a 5% rate you pay $1500. This could mean the difference between heat in the winter and food, depending on your situation.
If you make 300,000 on the other hand...$15,000 is a nice ski trip for the kids to Vail for the week.


The "flat tax" also does not take into account interest, so you billionaires that inherited the family fortune are essentially not taxed at all because they make no actual income.

EDIT: and before anyone jumps all over me, I am just trying to explain why a flat tax is considered regressive. I didn't make it up, and God knows a flat tax would rock for my family.

 

[miklorsmith]

The greatest experience of my life was college. I worked and took out some loans. My experience would have suffered significantly had I paid my whole bill as I went.

Mac, you are one hardcore dude. You assume everyone else has the same toolkit you did. Not everyone is brilliant. People actually do support families on minimum wage, as much as they can. Believe it or not, there are hardworking people that still need help.

The disproportionality of the flat tax is that wealthier people pay less as a ratio of all their expenses in taxes. Poorer people have a much higher burden paying the same percentage.

I sincerely hope you don't give your kids a dime to teach them the same blackhearted lessons you've somehow absorbed. They should be doing paper routes, working at McD's or whatever else they're legally allowed to do, giving you 100% of their wages to show them how lucky they are to have a place to live and eat.

 

[howie85]

So if the "poor" pay les tax on a sliding scale as it is today then they should accordingly use less of the services they are paying for??? Seems they pay the least and get the most from the services provided by taxes.

 

[MacManNM]

The greatest experience of my life was college. I worked and took out some loans. My experience would have suffered significantly had I paid my whole bill as I went.

Mac, you are one hardcore dude. You assume everyone else has the same toolkit you did. Not everyone is brilliant. People actually do support families on minimum wage, as much as they can. Believe it or not, there are hardworking people that still need help.

The disproportionality of the flat tax is that wealthier people pay less as a ratio of all their expenses in taxes. Poorer people have a much higher burden paying the same percentage.

I sincerely hope you don't give your kids a dime to teach them the same blackhearted lessons you've somehow absorbed. They should be doing paper routes, working at McD's or whatever else they're legally allowed to do, giving you 100% of their wages to show them how lucky they are to have a place to live and eat.

First off, food would be exempt from any sort of logical flat tax, as would clothing.

As for the rest, your arguments are bogus. If you make minimum wage you shouldn't have a family. Period. If people in this country were responsible then this wouldn't even be an issue. They would be smart enough to know what they could or couldn't afford.

My kids do work. They are 10 and 11. They work around the house and make money for it. They are pretty well behaved and know the value of a dollar. They have a very good understanding of a work ethic, even at this age. They will be successful, because values and honor have been instilled in them. I’m sorry if I believe in working for a living, and teaching those values to my children. Maybe I should quit my job and collect welfare, then I can show them that you type of people will never let them starve and that they don’t have to work or try to achieve in this life, just settle for what the govt gives you.