Petition to ban political threads

[annunaki]

Not that you care (for anyone but yourself) but you are a bad person. You are against raising the minuimum wage to $7 so you can get a burger for under $5??? That is disgusting! The fact is that not everyone can get a high paying job and there will be poor people needing the help of the more fortunate. I make a good living and I am glad that my taxes go to helping these people!! You really should think of others more not jsut yourself and your ratass brood which I am sure you are raising to be as much a pox on this country as you are. You do not know what the founding fathers intended and nither do I. Nobody does because times change and saying you or Rush does know just makes you look like the fool you are.
You want to know what happens without the social programs we have?? We get slums like Rio or Sao Palo. Then we get street childern (which we know you don't care about) living out of landfills. The street childern become live long criminals and then people start getting shot in the street for a $2 burger. We could always start up death squads like in Romania and Brazil which I am sure you would join right up..
Do you really think that you can live in the nice area you do without the help of the government?

Karma B!tches

If you want socialism so bad, go to China. This IS a deocracy. My god, when will people see that if you stop giving handouts, people HAVE to work for their money, thus creating a sense of responsibility. If you get rid of all the illegal immagrants we now have a ton of jobs for the less fortunate to do and make a living.

Socialism is not progession but rather regression. It takes away the responsibility of the people. This is democracy. I have the power to vote people or myself into office who will sepend my tax dollars the way I would.

The minimum wage was NEVER intended to support a family on. It was a guarantee that you would not be worked to death for pennies.

Just because I feel this way, does not mean all social programs are bad. We need them, but the way they are run needs to change. If we reward people for hard work and finding a job instead of having more kids and staying unemployed, we may have more social progression in this country.

 

[annunaki]

So if the "poor" pay les tax on a sliding scale as it is today then they should accordingly use less of the services they are paying for??? Seems they pay the least and get the most from the services provided by taxes.

I agree here. They also seem to waste and/or not appreciate it the most. America is the only place where you will see obese poor people.

 

[chicagomd]

So if the "poor" pay les tax on a sliding scale as it is today then they should accordingly use less of the services they are paying for??? Seems they pay the least and get the most from the services provided by taxes.

Correct.

Oddly enough, the poor need the services more than the rich...go figure.

And as far as the "fat poor" are concerned, there are a lot of reasons for that, the least of which is access to good nutrition. McDonalds is much cheaper than fresh fruit.

 

[miklorsmith]

. . .If you make minimum wage you shouldn't have a family. Period. If people in this country were responsible then this wouldn't even be an issue. They would be smart enough to know what they could or couldn't afford..

At what socioeconomic level do you think humans should be allowed to have children? I assume you love your kids? Yet you would deprive others this freedom and one of life's greatest joys? Would you be in charge of deciding who gets a "birth license"? Would allowed reproduction numbers depend on annual income? If you lost a job, does the card get suspended?

Social engineering and severe right-wingism might seem like a good idea until you take it down to the level of an individual. Thank goodness we haven't lowered ourselves to strip fellow citizens of life-options we enjoy.

I agree the poor have too many children, but there's a good reason we haven't taken China's lead.

 

[furrycute]

If the U.S.'s population ever reach China's size, to control population growth, I"m sure these same "conservatives" would be at the forfront champaining the virtues of the American one child system.

 

[MacManNM]

At what socioeconomic level do you think humans should be allowed to have children? I assume you love your kids? Yet you would deprive others this freedom and one of life's greatest joys? Would you be in charge of deciding who gets a "birth license"? Would allowed reproduction numbers depend on annual income? If you lost a job, does the card get suspended?

Social engineering and severe right-wingism might seem like a good idea until you take it down to the level of an individual. Thank goodness we haven't lowered ourselves to strip fellow citizens of life-options we enjoy.

I agree the poor have too many children, but there's a good reason we haven't taken China's lead.

I never said you need a license for it. There you go twisting what I said to make me sound like the bad guy. Your side always does this. You and all of the others like you are missing the point. The rest of us responsible people CHOOSE when is the right time to have children and plan accordingly. If we can’t afford it we don’t do it. If you quit throwing money at the problems, people will wise up and evolve on their own. We are in a devolution spiral, and by throwing money hand over fist at the poor it is perpetuating. But you ignore any of the points made in all of the posts. Heaven forbid you apply some logic to the big picture and try to understand how you people got us here in the first place.

 

[MacManNM]

If the U.S.'s population ever reach China's size, to control population growth, I"m sure these same "conservatives" would be at the forfront champaining the virtues of the American one child system.

How can you even compare the US to China? 85% of their population is in the true poverty level.

 

[miklorsmith]

Strong retoric. Casting individuals (me) as "you people" shows how little you listen or care to think. You are an idealogue in the dictionary definition.

At least you're not an influential politician.

 

[annunaki]

Again a twisting of words and ignoring the topic at hand.

I am assuming by "you people" he meant liberals.

 

[MacManNM]

Strong retoric. Casting individuals (me) as "you people" shows how little you listen or care to think. You are an idealogue in the dictionary definition.

At least you're not an influential politician.

Again you make no response to any of my points. You can't. You don't have a leg to stand on. If you did we may be able to have some intelligent dialogue. None of you have stated a solution of your own; all you do is tear down anything the opposition says. All you can respond with are things like "I am casting rhetoric" or twisting my words and trying to justify your viewpoint.

 

[miklorsmith]

I work for a development engineering company. I hold a lot of the same values "you people" do. To cast me as a straightahead liberal shows ignorance, if that was the intent.

I will not participate further. Partly my fault, it has degenerated beyond anything helpful. I still think such discussions should be allowed here.

 

[sts9fan]

Socialism is not progession but rather regression. It takes away the responsibility of the people. This is democracy. I have the power to vote people or myself into office who will sepend my tax dollars the way I would.

You do know that socialism and democracy can coexist right? You can have a socialist democracy ie canada and most of Europe. I am not saying that those are better but you saying "This is a democracy not socalism!!" is not a very good argument.

 

[MacManNM]

I am not saying that those are better but you saying "This is a democracy not socalism!!" is not a very good argument.

I'm still waiting for you to make one.

 

[Audioholics]

This was eye-opening when I read it:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg1713.cfm

Sometimes Americans can forget how the rest of the world defines "poor". This, in essence is why, oftentimes, conservatives are seen as being 'mean' when they insist on tougher programs for those who are in the lower classes or even out of work. Throwing money doesn't equal a well thought-out plan.

But I will be the first to admit that both sides of the political party spectrum have serious issues.

And no matter what anyone says - if you think money can solve all the country's (or world's) issues all you have to do is go back and look at the difference in the national budget today as compared to 1920. By that logic, we should have spent our way into utopia a long time ago.

 

[MacManNM]

I work for a development engineering company. I hold a lot of the same values "you people" do. To cast me as a straightahead liberal shows ignorance, if that was the intent.

I will not participate further. Partly my fault, it has degenerated beyond anything helpful. I still think such discussions should be allowed here.

So what's your point? You whine about being seen as a straight ahead liberal, and then you leave the discussion. Your views on the matter are most assuredly left biased. Are you ashamed of that? Rest assured, if you were to bring up any even remotely logical point, I would be more than willing to listen. But, you haven't, so goodbye.

 

[MacManNM]

This was eye-opening when I read it:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg1713.cfm

Sometimes Americans can forget how the rest of the world defines "poor". This, in essence is why, oftentimes, conservatives are seen as being 'mean' when they insist on tougher programs for those who are in the lower classes or even out of work. Throwing money doesn't equal a well thought-out plan.

But I will be the first to admit that both sides of the political party spectrum have serious issues.

And no matter what anyone says - if you think money can solve all the country's (or world's) issues all you have to do is go back and look at the difference in the national budget today as compared to 1920. By that logic, we should have spent our way into utopia a long time ago.

Yes Clint, I have tried to make this exact point several times. Poor people in America can somehow afford TV's, VCR's, cable, and cell phones. How poor are these people?

 

[majorloser]

In order of priority for discussion...
it would be Titties - Audio - Beer

nerds! who said we should limit discussion to Audio and Beer?

AMEN TO THAT BROTHER

 

[furrycute]

I know this is thread crapping, but has anyone taken a look at my blender thread? Since this thread has had so many digressions, I don't think one more is going to hurt it.

I desperately need an answer to my question: when you make smoothies with frozen strawberries, do you thaw the frozen strawberries first, or do you just throw the frozen strawberries right into the blender? My Vitamix seems to have a hard time chopping up the frozen strawberries, I have add some liquid and push around the strawberries before it'll mix.

 

[majorloser]

Frozen works just fine. A little rum also helps "lubricate" the cutting blades

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

I'm a "middle of the road" kinda guy politically.

*I think people should have guns. I think they should also use them to pistol-whip "conservative" christians on our own property.
*If socialism can be defined as "requires restaurants to be inspected by the health Department", then I guess I'm a socialist.
*Stop giving the poor/disabled/eldery Medicare & medicaid. Let them starve!
-OR-
*Give everybody the same health coverage!
*If you want any religious holiday off, you must demonstrate total commitment to said religion the rest of the year...
[example: Pagans don't get Christmas or Easter off, Christians who do anything but pray on Sunday have to work 9-to-5 the next sunday]
*A series of computers with touch-screens shall be placed in every county. Every month everyone who wants to "vote" shall use these computers to cast their vote concerning every topic of governmental relevance that month. Elected officials have many fewer job tasks, or their positions are terminated.
*Pick a language and stick to it! I should have to learn Spanish/korean/chinese/french to understand street signs in my own country (I'm lookin at your Chinatown & southern California).
*Abolish the electoral college. Iraq doesn't have to have one.
*Speedlimits: Enforce them or get rid of them.
*explain to me why you need a license to cut hair, but any schmoe can open a tattoo parlour?