Outlaw 970 for $299 New -- Yes/No

A

ahender

Audioholic Intern
Outlaw has the 970 prepro new for $299 this weekend.

I know it is old technology.

Seems pretty cheap for a prepro.

Worth getting or not.

alan
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Outlaw has the 970 prepro new for $299 this weekend.

I know it is old technology.

Seems pretty cheap for a prepro.

Worth getting or not.

alan
IMO, no.

Right now, for a say a couple hundred more, you can get a receiver to use as pre/pro that will have

- HDMI audio processing of advanced HT codecs
- advanced room correction

I know that its annoying to some to use a receiver as pre, but they are cheaper than dedicated pre/pro's. Simply due to economies of scale.

just my vote...
 
MUDSHARK

MUDSHARK

Audioholic Chief
Depends on the rest of your equipment and whether HDMI is of any importance to you. Personally, they can stick the HDMI where the sun don't shine. This is a very good PRE/pro like all Outlaw products.
 
A

ahender

Audioholic Intern
I have read a thousand posts and still do not know the "real" importance of HDMI.

Is it the single cable for audio/video that is the big difference?

Prior to HDMI technology were there any major issues in using non-HDMI sources?

thanks..alan
 
R

rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
HDMI carries 7.1 uncompressed audio. Analog can do it to using 8 RCA cables, but it's a pain from a setup standpoint as the player has to do all the work and most BD players are going bitstream. I think Jostenmeat is on the money here; grab yourself a Yamaha 663 for $50 more and you're good to go.
 
davidtwotrees

davidtwotrees

Audioholic General
There's a reason that prepro is cheap-it's yesterday's news. If you plan to watch standard def. videos for a long time, if you are not interested in the latest codecs, then sure that is a fine deal. I thought that way for some time. Heck, I upgraded a 12 year old Lexicon DC-1 prepro to 7.1 analog outs because I didn't care about all of the above. Then I bought a plasma, and really wanted to get the best I could out of that technology. Logic led me to blu ray. I wanted to buy an Integra PrePro, but used at $1200 it is out of my range at the moment. Once again, logic led me to exactly the place that Mr. Rnatalli mentions above. A yammie 663 as a prepro for $350 with all the latest technology was the most logical step. To me, the logic says don't buy old technology because it's economical. Heck, if you are going that route, get a Denon xx05 series receiver because that is some fine "old" technology, imho.
 
A

ahender

Audioholic Intern
Great feedback!

Thanks for all the suggestions.

I will look at the Yamaha 663.

thanks...alan
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
The 663 is probably the cheapest new thing you can buy to act as HT pre/pro, with advanced codec support. It has numerous limitations, but then again none of them might bother you in the slightest. The one that really bothers ME is that it cannot matrix advanced HT bitstreams, as I am a 7.1 user.

Also, I would really consider spending about $100-150 more for an Onkyo 705, if only for Audyssey XT. XT has at least 8x the filtering resolution of the vanilla MultiEQ.

The newer xx6 models seem to have downgraded to normal MEQ, but offer dynamic EQ as well.

If you have an acoustically challenged room, or are free to have it as loud as you want, whenever you want, go for XT.

If you share walls with neighbors, or have sleeping kids, go for Dyn EQ.

Some folks do not like these room correction systems. I think they are the coolest thing since sliced bread.

I love XT so much, that I was searching for something like that for my 2ch stereo. The economies of scale perhaps disallow smaller 2ch companies from implementing them. The stand alone Audyssey SEQ is about $2k. With that in mind, XT for $450 or so is quite the bargain IMO. The next step above XT is Pro version, which requires a professional to calibrate, along with associated fees. The versions below XT are MEQ and 2EQ.

and besides, the 705 would also allow more flexible bass mgmt, matrixing of bitstreams, more HDMI inputs, among other things I've probably forgotten.

Good luck.
 
OttoMatic

OttoMatic

Senior Audioholic
Depends on the rest of your equipment and whether HDMI is of any importance to you. Personally, they can stick the HDMI where the sun don't shine. This is a very good PRE/pro like all Outlaw products.
I would like to revise my previous answer to your question. I agree with MUDSHARK that "they" can most definitely stick HDMI where the sun don't shine. If you find that you don't need HDMI, I fully encourage you to buy what suits your needs. Falling into the continual trap of "upgrading" and buying more and more just to try to get the latest and greatest (pain in the ***) technology is pointless.

Personally, I've had my ups and downs with Outlaw. I probably wouldn't buy another one of their products, based on my experience with the 990. However, they have many satisfied customers, and if the 970 fits the bill for you, by all means, pick it up and enjoy it!
 
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