Outlaw - 5 Channel Amp or 5 Monoblocks?

[mulester7]

My 3 channel only ways 120 pounds

I took the bottom glass shelf off my equipment rack and layed the
Earthquake AMP on top of the metal - I didn't want to take a chance
on cracking the glass...

.....understand....wow, your 3 channel has only three mouths feeding from the 40 lb. 3.6 KVA transformer....those Zjxlff miners on Neptune will probably be able to hear your front three.....

 

[tdeluce]

.....understand....wow, your 3 channel has only three mouths feeding from the 40 lb. 3.6 KVA transformer....those Zjxlff miners on Neptune will probably be able to hear your front three.....

That's the idea...

 

[furrycute]

If you have the money, I would absolutely go with those 5 monoblocks. No question about it.

With monoblocks, you have independent power transformers supplying power to each channel. Plus, each channel is being amplified discreetly from all the other channels, there is absolutely no possibility for channel bleeding whatsoever.

If I had the money, I would definitely go with the monoblock route. Just take a look at the difference in weight. The weight of 5 monoblocks vs. the weight of a single 5 channel amp. Is there any need for further comparisons?

 

[mulester7]

Just take a look at the difference in weight. The weight of 5 monoblocks vs. the weight of a single 5 channel amp. Is there any need for further comparisons?

.....FurryCute, what does an Outlaw mono-block weigh?.....

 

[jaxvon]

An Outlaw mono weighs in at 18lbs.

http://outlawaudio.com/products/2200.html

 

[furrycute]

Outlaw monoblocks at 18lbs each? That's not a lot of weight for a monoblock. Even a 36lb stereo amp is not subtantial. My stereo amp weighs more than 50lbs.

I wouldn't bother with an 18lb monoblock.

 

[mulester7]

An Outlaw mono weighs in at 18lbs.

http://outlawaudio.com/products/2200.html

....ok, so 5 Outlaw mono-blocks would weigh 90 pounds....and each has it's own power supply to give 300 at 4....each has a transformer....a transformer that might weigh a pound or two, I don't know, but I've seen pictures of the cabinet, and they are slim....I'm going to say 5 Outlaw mono-block transformers, would weigh a pound or two, 5 times....let's say two pounds....so, we got 10 pounds of total transformer, to feed current, hopefully unrestricted, to five channels, and TDeluce said his mono-blocks by Outlaw clipped....now picture a single transformer that weighs over 40 pounds for the five signals to drink from....8 pounds of transformer for each channel, not one or two....and, the difference between 90 and 141, is 51....with 30 pounds accounted for from transformers, there's still 21 pounds in the Earthquake somewhere, surely holding up another pillar for mind-boggling quality....

.....hey, I want you guys to watch me close....I done got to the level of thinking that an Outlaw mono-block bees a cap pistol....better not leave me alone too much, haha......thanks, Jaxvon....you got in on any pantie-raids lately there on campus?....got a story for us?......

 

[tdeluce]

Outlaw monoblocks at 18lbs each? That's not a lot of weight for a monoblock. Even a 36lb stereo amp is not subtantial. My stereo amp weighs more than 50lbs.

I wouldn't bother with an 18lb monoblock.

They work great if you don't listen at reference level or if you drive 8 ohm speakers with them.

They drive my surrounds as good or better than my Denon AVR-4802...

 

[furrycute]

They work great if you don't listen at reference level or if you drive 8 ohm speakers with them.

The whole point of having monoblocks is because they have the sheer muscle power to power your speakers without clipping at reference volumes and beyond, and they can drive 4 ohm, 2 ohm, or even 1 ohm speakers without working up a sweat.

That is the whole point of having monoblocks. And an 18lb monoblock is not going to cut it. And I see no point in owning those monoblocks. One is much better off with a multichannel receiver.

 

[mulester7]

The whole point of having monoblocks is because they have the sheer muscle power to power your speakers without clipping at reference volumes and beyond, and they can drive 4 ohm, 2 ohm, or even 1 ohm speakers without working up a sweat.

That is the whole point of having monoblocks. And an 18lb monoblock is not going to cut it. And I see no point in owning those monoblocks. One is much better off with a multichannel receiver.

.....the Outlaw mono-block's are good for their weight, but their weight says much....they're not rated 2 ohm stable either, so how much 4 can you be sure of....guys, to be blunt, they're actually made to work best with 8 ohm speakers....some mono blocks go up to about 600 pounds, and for sure are one ohm rated if not 1/2....yep, I'd say the Outlaw mono-blocks are actually made for 8 ohm speakers and will shine there for sure....most people's 4 ohm speakers also....but the prime directive is 8.....Furrycute, what would your Mother think if she read your last sentence above?....buddy, you may have taken a pie in the face on that one.....night. all....will probably get called around daylight for a train....may get about 6 hours sleep....is everybody ready for about a 40 hour rest from me?....all you guys who have me on ignore....raise your hands.....

 

[tdeluce]

The whole point of having monoblocks is because they have the sheer muscle power to power your speakers without clipping at reference volumes and beyond, and they can drive 4 ohm, 2 ohm, or even 1 ohm speakers without working up a sweat.

That is the whole point of having monoblocks. And an 18lb monoblock is not going to cut it. And I see no point in owning those monoblocks. One is much better off with a multichannel receiver.

I agree regarding the point of monoblocks.

I disagree that owning a multichannel receiver is better. I have the
Denon AVR-4802 which is considered to have a fairly good amp section
and the Outlaw Monoblocks definitely drove my LSi15s and LSiC better
than the Denon AVR-4802 ( but certainly not as good as my 3 channel
Earthquake AMP ).

 

[furrycute]

The most logical setup for home theater is to use independent amps to power the 2 mains and the center channel, and to use the receiver to power to the surrounds. There aren't that much audio information in the surrounds anyways.

I fail to see the point of using an independent amp to power the surrounds.

 

[tdeluce]

The most logical setup for home theater is to use independent amps to power the 2 mains and the center channel, and to use the receiver to power to the surrounds. There aren't that much audio information in the surrounds anyways.

I fail to see the point of using an independent amp to power the surrounds.

I have three reasons why I do so:

1 ) I have them on hand from when they use to power my LCRs.

2) I will be moving to a separate processor at some point

3) Because I can

 

[furrycute]

How can you tell that the sound coming from yoru surrounds sounds better using these monoblocks?

Do you turn off your mains and the center channel, and just listen to the rears, is that how you judge your surrounds suddenly sound "better?" If that is the case, you wont be hearing much from your rears from most DVDs.


In a properly setup hometheater, the sub is handling all the bass. The rears hardly get worked up at all.

 

[tdeluce]

How can you tell that the sound coming from yoru surrounds sounds better using these monoblocks?

Do you turn off your mains and the center channel, and just listen to the rears, is that how you judge your surrounds suddenly sound "better?" If that is the case, you wont be hearing much from your rears from most DVDs.


In a properly setup hometheater, the sub is handling all the bass. The rears hardly get worked up at all.

When did I say the sound was better with the surrounds using my
Outlaw amp's s vrs. Receiver amps? The outlaw amps were
significantly better than my receiver amps for my LCR.

My outlaw amps are left over from when they were driving my LCRs so
I have then now driving my surrounds. My Denon AVR-4802 specs
270 watts per channel into 4 ohms with two channels driven and
my Outlaw's spec 300 watts into 4 ohms for each channel driven so
there isn't much of a difference power wise.

I agree that LCR is where separate AMPs are critical and that is where
I have have put most of the amplification towards...

 

[furrycute]

They work great if you don't listen at reference level or if you drive 8 ohm speakers with them.

They drive my surrounds as good or better than my Denon AVR-4802...

This is where you said those Outlaw 18lb monoblocks drive your surrounds better than your Denon receiver.

 

[tdeluce]

This is where you said those Outlaw 18lb monoblocks drive your surrounds better than your Denon receiver.

Yes, I said as good *or* better - I did not state that they were
definitely better.

Since I noticed a difference at reference level when the Outlaw
amp's drove my LCRs compared to when the Denon amps drove them,
I suspect if there were any difference driving the surrounds, the
difference would be better. I have not spent much time comparing
material through my surrounds to go out on a limb and declare the
Outlaw amp's better than the Denon amp's at reference level.

Hence the use of the word *or* ...

 

[mulester7]

.....as stated before, the Outlaw mono-blocks are dedicated amplifiers with their own power supply circuitry and transformer....the amp section in a receiver better be mighty tough since it don't have those, and here's the important part, as clean and transparent, as a dedicated amp....not talking watts here, either....just foundations for inductant watts to come from.....

 

[brandon123]

Outlaw Monoblocks

Hi, folks. I just wanted to let you know that I have five Outlaw M2200 monoblocks for my HT 5.1 setup and the amps are not only 1 or 2 lbs each. Each monoblock is 18lbs but the transformer is on the left side of the case and each one is at least 8-10lbs each. The transformers are very wide, shallow and heavy. Thus, you have anywhere between 40-50 lbs of transformers for the 5.1 setup! Just some extra information I thought I would share with everyone.

 

[mulester7]

Hi, folks. I just wanted to let you know that I have five Outlaw M2200 monoblocks for my HT 5.1 setup and the amps are not only 1 or 2 lbs each. Each monoblock is 18lbs but the transformer is on the left side of the case and each one is at least 8-10lbs each. The transformers are very wide, shallow and heavy. Thus, you have anywhere between 40-50 lbs of transformers for the 5.1 setup! Just some extra information I thought I would share with everyone.

....and glad you did share, Brandon, honestly....I'm just trying to figure this stuff out....TDeluce said they clipped....amp shootout coming, local TV stations will be alerted....could go national.....