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[Danzilla31]

Some interesting observations.
1 the subs gotta go up they're blending but not enough. There's that fine line of magic where the bass is thick and loud and yet you can't tell where the subs are and where they and the speakers start and stop. I'm not there yet. Close but not there
2 SVS recommendation of 60 Hz on the fronts I like some things it does with the midrange but I'm losing a lot of dynamic headroom and some upper bass to 80 Hz I think the subs could be adding some lift to.
I think setting the speakers to 80 Hz and letting the subs do the rest really frees some juice on the reciever for the fronts and the surrounds.
3 although I like some things audyssey did Its lowering the speakers to -db points is also killing some headroom and speaker dynamics
So the plan is tommorow set all crossovers to 80 Hz and let the sub lift from there.
Set the speaker levels back to 0 which sounded fantastic the other day. See if that and the subs hitting up to 80 Hz help bring back that perfect magic
And last up the volume on the subs.
Additional note what I'm contributing to Audyssey as improvements may simply be repositioning of the prime towers. I brought them further out because I've noticed the more I bring them into the room the better they sounded. So lets test it out by running them flat and see where were at. Here's to tommorow may the force be with me. Once I get it dialed in right I'll get back on here and let you guys know what I feel these subs can do once properly integrated. There awesome but until I get it right I'm only telling you half the story.

 

[djreef]

“ If clever got you this far, then tricky gets you in”.

Keep working it. It’ll get there.

DJ

 

[Danzilla31]

“ If clever got you this far, then tricky gets you in”.

Keep working it. It’ll get there.

DJ

Thanks man ain't gonna lie I'm having a helluva lottoff fun getting there

 

[shadyJ]

Some interesting observations.
1 the subs gotta go up they're blending but not enough. There's that fine line of magic where the bass is thick and loud and yet you can't tell where the subs are and where they and the speakers start and stop. I'm not there yet. Close but not there
2 SVS recommendation of 60 Hz on the fronts I like some things it does with the midrange but I'm losing a lot of dynamic headroom and some upper bass to 80 Hz I think the subs could be adding some lift to.
I think setting the speakers to 80 Hz and letting the subs do the rest really frees some juice on the reciever for the fronts and the surrounds.
3 although I like some things audyssey did Its lowering the speakers to -db points is also killing some headroom and speaker dynamics
So the plan is tommorow set all crossovers to 80 Hz and let the sub lift from there.
Set the speaker levels back to 0 which sounded fantastic the other day. See if that and the subs hitting up to 80 Hz help bring back that perfect magic
And last up the volume on the subs.
Additional note what I'm contributing to Audyssey as improvements may simply be repositioning of the prime towers. I brought them further out because I've noticed the more I bring them into the room the better they sounded. So lets test it out by running them flat and see where were at. Here's to tommorow may the force be with me. Once I get it dialed in right I'll get back on here and let you guys know what I feel these subs can do once properly integrated. There awesome but until I get it right I'm only telling you half the story.

To really blend the subs, you need to measure what they are doing. Until you get some detailed measurements, you are operating a bit in the dark here, and all you can really do is guess at the kind of changes you are making. Do you have a USB microphone?

 

[Danzilla31]

To really blend the subs, you need to measure what they are doing. Until you get some detailed measurements, you are operating a bit in the dark here, and all you can really do is guess at the kind of changes you are making. Do you have a USB microphone?

No that's one of the things that I'm needing to learn I know how to run Audyssey stuff like that but actual precise measuring I've heard you and others speak about I'm not there yet. Do you have a recommendation for one to buy? And is there any other recommendations you can suggest for things I'd need to acquire? Just a quick list I might as well learn how to do this right and the first step is picking up the right equipment and tools. Thanks for your input.

 

[shadyJ]

No that's one of the things that I'm needing to learn I know how to run Audyssey stuff like that but actual precise measuring I've heard you and others speak about I'm not there yet. Do you have a recommendation for one to buy? And is there any other recommendations you can suggest for things I'd need to acquire? Just a quick list I might as well learn how to do this right and the first step is picking up the right equipment and tools. Thanks for your input.

A couple decent ones: Behringer ECM8000 and Umik-1. Just get one of those and a copy or Room EQ Wizard. Look at some of the basic tutorials for Room EQ Wizard, and then you are in business, and you can tweak your system and know exactly what is occurring.

 

[afterlife2]

Congrats on your setup. Looks fantastic. I hope you enjoy it to the fullest. SVS is great to work with. Hoping you have some fans on top of your Onkyo 809 to keep it cool.

 

[Danzilla31]

A couple decent ones: Behringer ECM8000 and Umik-1. Just get one of those and a copy or Room EQ Wizard. Look at some of the basic tutorials for Room EQ Wizard, and then you are in business, and you can tweak your system and know exactly what is occurring.

Awesome thanks Shady!

 

[Danzilla31]

Congrats on your setup. Looks fantastic. I hope you enjoy it to the fullest. SVS is great to work with. Hoping you have some fans on top of your Onkyo 809 to keep it cool.

Hey thank you yeah it's coming along. Just gotta get the sound dialed in. Having fun with the process for sure. Yeah it's in a rack with fans. But the easiest fix is to to unplug it from the wall when not in use. As long as it stays cool it'll last no problems. It's just a temporary fill in I scored for 200 off of Craigslist. I'll just use it till I'm ready to uograde

 

[snakeeyes]

Congrats!!!

Where’s the center channel?

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Some interesting observations.
1 the subs gotta go up they're blending but not enough. There's that fine line of magic where the bass is thick and loud and yet you can't tell where the subs are and where they and the speakers start and stop. I'm not there yet. Close but not there
2 SVS recommendation of 60 Hz on the fronts I like some things it does with the midrange but I'm losing a lot of dynamic headroom and some upper bass to 80 Hz I think the subs could be adding some lift to.
I think setting the speakers to 80 Hz and letting the subs do the rest really frees some juice on the reciever for the fronts and the surrounds.
3 although I like some things audyssey did Its lowering the speakers to -db points is also killing some headroom and speaker dynamics
So the plan is tommorow set all crossovers to 80 Hz and let the sub lift from there.
Set the speaker levels back to 0 which sounded fantastic the other day. See if that and the subs hitting up to 80 Hz help bring back that perfect magic
And last up the volume on the subs.
Additional note what I'm contributing to Audyssey as improvements may simply be repositioning of the prime towers. I brought them further out because I've noticed the more I bring them into the room the better they sounded. So lets test it out by running them flat and see where were at. Here's to tommorow may the force be with me. Once I get it dialed in right I'll get back on here and let you guys know what I feel these subs can do once properly integrated. There awesome but until I get it right I'm only telling you half the story.

I would leave the level trims where Audyssey set them. Audyssey sees the room acoustically and it sets trims based on such, and by the sensitivity of the speakers. What that means is if you deviate from Audysseys levels is you’ll likely have an unbalanced soundfield, and pans, and imaging will be off. Readjusting the sub distance can sometimes help with impulse response and XO dips. Like shady has advised, you(everyone) should have at the very least a decent spl meter to verify/tweak settings.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

And congrats!!!!!!! Those are amazing beasts. Velvet hammer is a description I recall from reading reviews of my pc pluses. I think it’s appt here too.

 

[Danzilla31]

I would leave the level trims where Audyssey set them. Audyssey sees the room acoustically and it sets trims based on such, and by the sensitivity of the speakers. What that means is if you deviate from Audysseys levels is you’ll likely have an unbalanced soundfield, and pans, and imaging will be off. Readjusting the sub distance can sometimes help with impulse response and XO dips. Like shady has advised, you(everyone) should have at the very least a decent spl meter to verify/tweak settings.

Thanks for the help appreciate that!

 

[Danzilla31]

Congrats!!!

Where’s the center channel?

I use 3 towers bro I've always never liked center channels and finally with some good info here at audioholics I now understand why

 

[Danzilla31]

I would leave the level trims where Audyssey set them. Audyssey sees the room acoustically and it sets trims based on such, and by the sensitivity of the speakers. What that means is if you deviate from Audysseys levels is you’ll likely have an unbalanced soundfield, and pans, and imaging will be off. Readjusting the sub distance can sometimes help with impulse response and XO dips. Like shady has advised, you(everyone) should have at the very least a decent spl meter to verify/tweak settings.

One quick question. I agree with you because I'm really liking the sound I do feel that I might benefit from raising the front 3 speakers to 80 Hz at the crossover and setting the subs there. If I do that will I need to rerun audyssey or should the benefits of the trim still be evident?

 

[snakeeyes]

I use 3 towers bro I've always never liked center channels and finally with some good info here at audioholics I now understand why

Think William L here might have 3 towers too if I remember right. I know ADTG here has towers on all channels. LOL

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

One quick question. I agree with you because I'm really liking the sound I do feel that I might benefit from raising the front 3 speakers to 80 Hz at the crossover and setting the subs there. If I do that will I need to rerun audyssey or should the benefits of the trim still be evident?

It will be evident right away. My 808 lets me do this basically on the fly. The thing is if you LOWER the xo you won’t have any EQ below that point. If you go UP it’s just fine since Audyssey puts filters above where it crosses at but not below.

 

[Danzilla31]

Think William L here might have 3 towers too if I remember right. I know ADTG here has towers on all channels. LOL

That would be my dream set up towers for all main channels etc for heights get goosebumps just thinking about it!

 

[Danzilla31]

It will be evident right away. My 808 lets me do this basically on the fly. The thing is if you LOWER the xo you won’t have any EQ below that point. If you go UP it’s just fine since Audyssey puts filters above where it crosses at but not below.

Awesome thanks a lot for the help

 

[Danzilla31]

Think William L here might have 3 towers too if I remember right. I know ADTG here has towers on all channels. LOL

I would love to hear ADTG's system that must be friggin awesome!