No thoughts and prayers today?

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pewternhrata

Audioholic Chief
Ok write the law however you want it so these guns aren't sold anymore.
I work with a guy that was in Iraq twice who says that's the same gun I had on Iraq only a few differences. However you want to call it, guns like this should not be sold to citizens.
While I agree with you, the same issue will always come up; aftermarket parts. These gun are popular due to the market for upgrades available, remove those guns and it will trickle down to next best available. Imho, nothing will change.
Make guns illegal, government buybacks, how do you clear 3.8 million square miles of guns? 50billion dollar buyback, estimated 400 million guns in the US...that's $125 per gun on average, I doubt too many responsible gun owners would agree to sell their $2500 rifle back to the gov for $125.
Something needs to happen, yet I dont believe a full out ban on guns would work.
 
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pewternhrata

Audioholic Chief
@ryanosaur, you beat my response while I was typing lol. I've seen how easy they are to modify, as are most other guns. To me its ridiculous. A lot of parts are illegal, but easy enough to obtain, as seen in these mass shootings. So a ban on upgrades, but individuals still get their hands on them...
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
I've fired full auto AR15s. Fun yes, reliable, and serves its purpose. Is it necessary for "home" use, honestly? Personally I would have to say no. I think there should be some higher level of qualification to own one.

I had my CCW for a few years because I used to live in the outskirts. You have to requalify for each renewal. I think this is something along the lines of what is needed, both the recertification and the licensing, which mandates in-class training as well as on range.
 
H

Hetfield

Audioholic Samurai
While I agree with you, the same issue will always come up; aftermarket parts. These gun are popular due to the market for upgrades available, remove those guns and it will trickle down to next best available. Imho, nothing will change.
Make guns illegal, government buybacks, how do you clear 3.8 million square miles of guns? 50billion dollar buyback, estimated 400 million guns in the US...that's $125 per gun on average, I doubt too many responsible gun owners would agree to sell their $2500 rifle back to the gov for $125.
Something needs to happen, yet I dont believe a full out ban on guns would work.
If we could get 30% turned in I'd be happy, 50% ecstatic.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Well I wouldn't call them godly men would you?
I am willing to bet, a coke;), that they do have a religion they follow and believe in. Certainly not atheists although there may be some in that lot.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
The guy who paid a porn star for bare back sex just a few weeks after his kid was born to his 3rd wife all of whom he cheated on. There is no religious right, they are frauds.
Don't forget about the spousal rape on his part to 1st wife, maybe 2nd?
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
.... Religion is no salve either, not considering the violence perpetrated against other... nonbelievers.
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:(
Don't forget all those pious priests and children and some women.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Such a hard question and solutions aren't' simple. Particularly in the short run. I'm pro registering, licensing, insuring, and mandatory training for gun ownership. My analogy is cars. No one thinks the government is trying to take your car away because of these restrictions. Furthermore, you're only allowed to drive what your licence say you can. ...
Unfortunately one is a privilege the other is a right per the constitution although even Scalia stated it can be regulated.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Just got a notice from the venue for our annual Subaru charity event that will be held in Sept. In light of recent events, they are bringing in metal detectors and a significant security presence. We are a family, charity event but with the frequent recent incidents they aren't taking any chances.
Don't forget to remind security of perimeter patrols as well. I think your Gilroy incident is an example of alternate entry.
 
kystorm

kystorm

Audioholic
More people have died in the name of god than for any other reason.
The killings of the past week havent
You mean like the morals of white evangelical Christians that enthusiastically and overwhelmingly supports Trump, and continue to do so? They are surely much less moral than they used to, or perhaps we are just now seeing what they always been?
You mean like the morals of white evangelical Christians that enthusiastically and overwhelmingly supports Trump, and continue to do so? They are surely much less moral than they used to, or perhaps we are just now seeing what they always been?
White christians huh? Its almost as if youre reading from an msnbc teleprompter.....
Morals have slipped all around, theres no arguing that, even among alot of church going people.
As I said earlier this country and people need more prayer.
 
kystorm

kystorm

Audioholic
I am willing to bet, a coke;), that they do have a religion they follow and believe in. Certainly not atheists although there may be some in that lot.
So when you find out what religion they're following, please do let me know. Thanks
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
I am willing to bet, a coke;), that they do have a religion they follow and believe in. Certainly not atheists although there may be some in that lot.
I think murderers are more interested in murder than religion.

So when you find out what religion they're following, please do let me know. Thanks
Baptist ...
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
I just saw this morning's opinion column by Dana Millbank in the Washington Post. It's as if he was reading this thread.

Republicans’ Thoughts and Prayers Have Become a Cruel Joke
By Dana Millbank August 5, 2019
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/cue-the-thoughts-and-prayers/2019/08/05/2de2b8d6-b7b8-11e9-bad6-609f75bfd97f_story.html

Back-to-back massacres in El Paso and Dayton kill 31. Cue the thoughts and prayers!

“Melania and I send our heartfelt thoughts and prayers,” tweeted President Trump, who vows to veto gun control.
“Elaine’s and my prayers go out to the victims,” tweeted Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who blocks votes on gun control.

Do they not realize that “thoughts and prayers” has become a meme, a cynical punchline conveying inaction on guns? It’s what people say when they plan to do nothing.

Thoughts and prayers are always welcome, but Republicans’ reflexive response to the endless massacres has become a cruel joke, as effective as a Hallmark sympathy card. They seem to realize how weak it sounds: CNN reported that it invited 50 Republican lawmakers to talk about the shootings; only one accepted.

In fairness, Republicans offer more than “thoughts and prayers.” They also praise first responders, make various references to heartbreak and promise to “stand” with victims.

“Our thoughts are with the people of Dayton and El Paso. We are praying for them,” tweeted Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio). “Let’s stand united in condemning this evil.”

Thoughts and prayers stand united! And bonus points if you speak for your wife.

“Mylene and I send our prayers,” tweeted Rep. Greg Walden (Ore.).
“Wrenzie and I are praying.” — Rep. Tom Rice (S.C.)
“Jean and I are praying.” — Sen. Mike Rounds (S.D.).
“Tara and I are praying.” — Rep. Dan Crenshaw (Tex.).

Enough prayers. How about some thoughts?

“Mikey and I mourn.” — Sen. John Hoeven (N.D.).
“Kay and I are continuing to grieve.” — Sen. Jim Inhofe (Okla.)
“Renee and I are saddened.” — Rep. Richard Hudson (N.C.).
“Lucy and I are shocked.” — Rep. George Holding (N.C.).
“Maureen and I are deeply troubled.” — Sen. Mike Braun (Ind.).

And I pray that Mylene, Wrenzie, Jean, Tara, Mikey, Kay, Renee, Lucy and Maureen tell their husbands to stop blocking common-sense gun laws.

Some Republicans offer thoughts and prayers as if using GPS. Sen. Johnny Isakson (Ga.) reported that his “prayers are with the families and victims.” Sen. Richard Burr (N.C.) furnished three locations: “My prayers are with the victims, their families, and the first responders.” Sen. Richard Shelby (Ala.) provided a location update: “My prayers remain with those affected.”

A few thought and prayed in fragments: “Praying for comfort for all the families affected” (Sen. Shelley Moore Capito, W.Va.) or “Heartbroken for the people of El Paso, TX & Dayton, OH” (Rep. Chuck Fleischmann, Tenn.).

Still others were observers, calling the play-by-play: “Our nation mourns … and is praying” (Rep. Tim Walberg, Mich.), “Our hearts are with the victims” (Rep. Drew Ferguson, Ga.), “Our prayers go out” (Rep. David McKinley, W.Va.).

It’s a bit like Madlibs: My heart breaks for_____. I pray for_____. Rep. Jason Smith (Mo.): “My heart breaks for the communities” and “I pray for healing.” Sen. Lisa Murkowski (Alaska): “Our hearts break for the senseless violence” and “my prayers are with the victims.”

Democrats mentioned thoughts and prayers too — as insufficient. Sen. Ed Markey (Mass.) complained: “My Republican colleagues cut and paste the words ‘thoughts and prayers’ into a tweet and then do nothing on gun violence.”

But Republicans don’t just cut and paste. They take positions! “I stand with the grieving communities,” said Rep. Matt Gaetz (Fla.). A more flexible Rep. Mark Green (Tenn.) reported that “our entire nation stands — and kneels.”

They also join. “I join our entire country in mourning,” tweeted Rep. John Ratcliffe (Tex.). “I join Americans across the country,” reported Rep. Brad Wenstrup (Ohio).

Sen. Rob Portman (Ohio) offered a provisional prayer pending further developments: “While we are still learning more about the details … we are praying.”

And Rep. Barry Loudermilk (Ga.) preemptively chided those who “criticize our calls for earnest prayer.”

Actually, we criticize prayer in lieu of action.

Trump proposed action, tweeting Monday in support of “strong background checks.” But, as after Parkland, Fla., he quickly dropped the idea, omitting it from his on-camera remarks. Instead: More thoughts and prayers!

“The first lady and I join all Americans in praying,” disclosed Trump, so deep in thought and prayer that he said “Toledo” instead of “Dayton.”

Trump, who previously said white nationalism is not a growing threat, announced that “our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy.”

Trump, who said nonwhite lawmakers should “go back” to other countries, asserted that “hatred warps the mind.”

Trump, who last week shared the sentiment that “DEMOCRATS ARE THE TRUE ENEMIES OF AMERICA,” said “now is the time to set destructive partisanship aside.”

Eventually, disgusted Americans will force Republicans to act. Until then, here’s a thought: We don’t have a prayer.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
As I said earlier this country and people need more prayer.
Prayer for eradication of white supremacy groups, assault weapons? For strict gun controls, training and certification and less racism? Okay.
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Spartan
One of the reasons I don't associate with any religion but it was because of the number of people who killed in the name of god.
I guess that's why you aren't a communist either? ;)
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
I just saw this morning's opinion column by Dana Millbank in the Washington Post. It's as if he was reading this thread.

Republicans’ Thoughts and Prayers Have Become a Cruel Joke
By Dana Millbank August 5, 2019
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/cue-the-thoughts-and-prayers/2019/08/05/2de2b8d6-b7b8-11e9-bad6-609f75bfd97f_story.html

Eventually, disgusted Americans will force Republicans to act. Until then, here’s a thought: We don’t have a prayer.
Words are great, but they really don't do anything to help or stop this. The exception would be if they're part of legislation that changes how bad people get guns illegally or legally.

This kind of weapon really isn't necessary. For that matter, it's unlikely that anyone will actually need a gun for protection, but it's good to be able to have it if that need should arise.

Trump, who said nonwhite lawmakers should “go back” to other countries, ....” - That's not what he said and you know it! He never said anything about 'non-white', he mentioned four specific people because of their views and what they have said. They happen to be non-white, but you might want to read their comments.

How long have the major Democrats been in office and why have they not made the changes they say they want? You say Republicans should act- you need to remember that for any act wanted by one side, the other side is there to see that it never happens. CONGRESS is the problem- they have become far too contentious and refuse to work together, as they did in the past.

As for the idea for this thread- too many people have lost respect for people, life and laws.
 
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