Need help selecting a new AVR

[TLS Guy]

How would someone break an AVP?

Sound United was a vanity purchase by someone who had n experience with that kind of business. While someone can do what they want with their own money, this isn't a single item, it was major players in the consumer audio/video industry.

Uh, re-read your post if you want to see a good example of 'lack of self control', BTW.

Yes, that pretty much sums it up.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

How would someone break an AVP?

Oh, people can break ANYTHING.

I’ve seen people plugging wires/cables to their AVP from their amps while the amps were powered on. And end up having to send their Marantz in for repair.

Sound United was a vanity purchase by someone who had no experience with that kind of business.

Bryston started out as a medical device manufacturer also.

So Bryston might have inspired the Masimo guy.

But like you said, SU was way too much to handle.

If SU were just B&W speakers and Classe Amps, Masimo might have succeeded. Who knows.

 

[Alex2507]

If you keep this up, I will make a formal complaint to the mods.

I did.

#Me Too

He made it from my ignore list to my eff him list.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

I think he's related to Trell.

Nah. Trell is related to. Dung heap.
And in his defense, Treb has lots of valuable info on interoperability and compatibility of components.

 

[highfigh]

Oh, people can break ANYTHING.

I’ve seen people plugging wires/cables to their AVP from their amps while the amps were powered on. And end up having to send their Marantz in for repair.



Bryston started out as a medical device manufacturer also.

So Bryston might have inspired the Masimo guy.

But like you said, SU was way too much to handle.

If SU were just B&W speakers and Classe Amps, Masimo might have succeeded. Who knows.

Trust me, I know people can blow up anything but Mark knows how to connect equipment. I meant "How can someone blow up an AVP under normal conditions and use?".

But Bryston was created before so much changed in manufacturing, the market and the world.

I don't know if he could have succeeded with just those two brands- not sure the global market for them is large enough but SU definitely wouldn't have lost as much as they did under his ownership.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Trust me, I know people can blow up anything but Mark knows how to connect equipment. I meant "How can someone blow up an AVP under normal conditions and use?"

Not likely. But not 100% IMPOSSIBLE.

Someone ELSE could have tampered (abnormal conditions and use) without TLS’s knowledge. Still not likely, but again not 100% IMPOSSIBLE.

Let’s look at it another way.

What’s are the ODDS of ONE person having TWO broken AVP’s in the “same time” period? That seems extremely unlucky. I would say the odds are low.

So not likely, but not 100% IMPOSSIBLE.

I do NOT think TLS “broke” his AVP. But I am not 100% sure nobody else ever “touched” his 2 AVPs.

Anyway, this thread has gotten off course.

Good choices for the OP:
Denon X3800, X4800, X6800
Yamaha RX-A6A

 

[moves]

Please, go play with your AV10 and shut the f#%k up.

All this is valid info he's not hijacking the thread! Your useless posts are cluttering though.

 

[moves]

If you keep this up, I will make a formal complaint to the mods.

In choosing a receiver the problems created for Sound United by Masimo are extremely germane to the topic at hand. The CEO of Harmon, the new owners, highlighted their supply chain issues as a top priority to address as hifigh has also stated.

I did not break those AV 7705 and 7706. There failure was due to substandard components. Marantz did not have parts to service my 7705 for the length of time required by law. So it went to the recycling center.

I still have not had my 7706 returned but have been informed it has been sent to an outfit in the State of Kansas.

Both the 7705 and 7706 were rack mounted with tons of room for air flow and ventilation in a room with a controlled environment.

This house has all surge requirements as per NEC24, the latest codes.

Each of my three racks have professional APC UPS units which tightly regulate over and under voltage, with soft shut down in the event of power loss. Nothing was connected to them, that could have even under the remotest possibility caused them damage. So your comments are slanderous.

These units failed because of substandard components.

This is all germaine and relevant to the OPs original question.

My advice is not to purchase a receiver or pre/pro made under the Sound United ownership unless it was made in the Denon factory in Shirakawa Japan until the units under new management start to come on line.

Dude, TLS Guy knows what he's talking about. He's helped me a few times in the past and is a legend on this forum. Give him a break.

 

[moves]

Wait. So has the OP mentioned about which AVR Receiver he is getting?

haha probably the Denon route. I like TLS guy's advice to avoid vietnamese and china brands. so likely the 4800.

 

[everettT]

haha probably the Denon route. I like TLS guy's advice to avoid vietnamese and china brands. so likely the 4800.

I'm not sure if you're interested in used but you can find the Denon AVR-A1H for just a few hundred dollars more than a new 4800. I have the 4800 in one of my setups and have never had any issues with it and have been satisfied.

 

[Trebdp83]

Dude, TLS Guy knows what he's talking about. He's helped me a few times in the past and is a legend on this forum. Give him a break.

I'll always yield to and respond to the OP of a given thread. I'm also a person of limited patience for propaganda and plain old bulls#%t. There are some on this forum who may admit to having shouted "Shut the f#%k up!" to a loved one for any number of reasons after their nerves were shot and their patience limit reached. It is an easier thing to do to an insufferable stranger concerning their vehement denunciation of AVRs. Some pride themselves with having the best of the best systems and are very quick to brag about it and condemn lesser systems by others consisting of AVRs. They are just as quick to throw themselves on the floor and cry like a selfish brat when their toys break and they are embarrassed and humiliated by the event.

I've used many Denon/Marantz AVRs over the years. Some were made in Japan, some made elsewhere. I've also used a few Onkyos, a Pioneer and a couple of Yamaha AVRs. None of them failed, though one was returned for behavior I found glitchy. Often, misplacement, misuse or a misconnection of components to an AVP/AVR will result in its failure.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

So are there any reasons to get the X6800 over the X4800 if you only have 9 speakers?

Is the X4800 “better” than the Yamaha RX-A6A?

 

[TLS Guy]

haha probably the Denon route. I like TLS guy's advice to avoid vietnamese and china brands. so likely the 4800.

I think you are correct. Unreliability and premature failure is a massive PITA. Assessing reliability in any purchase is the toughest part, and impossible to be precise about. However others experiences matter.

One nutter here thinks I had a hand in the failures of the 7705 and 7706 when I absolutely did not. They were in an absolutely optimal environment. Now it is not that you could never have a failure and even an early one. How the manufacturer handles failures is very important.

I have been lucky, and had very few equipment failures in 70 odd years. This is partly equipment selection, but I take care of it and don't abuse it. All my serious issues have involved my AVPs.

This has been the story. My first AVP was a Marantz 8003 in 2006. It failed almost right away due to a regulator in the power supply failure. The then owners of Marantz had it fixed and returned at what I would call lightening speed.
In 2012 we had a Townhome here in Eagan, that my wife mainly used while working at Allina Heart Institute. I have to admit the system there was rather cobbled together. She demanded an upgraded system. So I bought my first 7701 and installed a 3.1 system with a Panny plasma TV. Both are still working.

I liked it and bought another to replace the 8003 at our lake home and bought a larger Panny plasma TV. Both are still in regular use, in our great room and family room. The 8003 is in storage and as far as I know still works.

So when we moved from the lake home we built our current AV room which was 11.2 because I had the gear to it except for the AVP. That is when I bought the 7705 in 2019.

It developed a hum present even when muted and eventually sent out a gigantic bang and took out the output to the left rear surround. Fortunately no speakers were damaged. Marantz under Masimo/Sound United did not have the parts to repair it, which in itself was a disgrace.

So, unwisely I bought a Marantz 7706, this developed a similar fault in 3 months. So I took it out of service and bought the AV 10, which I should have done right after the 7705 debacle.

Now the 7706 has been in for repair for almost five months. All I have heard is that they have sent it, to a different facility. Which ever way you look at it, that is dreadful customer service. Both the 7705 and 7706 were made in Vietnam. So clearly both have had a component failure and by the way they behaved, most likely a cap failure.

Now, I believe all this is relevant to your question in the first post.

Harmon have only had Sound United for a few short weeks, and have had nowhere near enough time to bring about meaningful change. The worst thing that can happen with a major purchase is early failure, especially if customer support is lousy to non existent.

So, I have been trying to steer you to reliability. I think Yamaha is probably a safe choice as I stated.

For Denon at this time I have to say that a unit manufactured at the Shirakawa plant in Japan is the safer choice. The above are my reasons for giving you that recommendation.