3db Audioholic Slumlord Sep 7, 2002 16,486 0 113 65 Ottawa Canada Jun 16, 2016 #121 jinjuku said: The 2nd amendment is a provision for the populace to stand up to a government gone tyrannical. At the time it was written the standard arms available to the populace was pretty much what standing military around the world had. It's an internal balance of power when something has gone horribly wrong Click to expand... Sometimes, you need to step outside a situation to see the truth.. The right to bare arms dates back was in the days of the War of Independance and yet this outdated right to bear arms still clings on. Hell, the British are the American's number one ally. With today's human and civil rights, the original reason to bear arms in the US in today's world no longer holds true and its just a crutch for boys to keep their toys. Nothing more. Spouting protection of civil rights is nothing more than NRA propaganda. Unfortunately, with NRA controlling the interests and pockets of of politicians, the truth will never be seen. Reactions: jinjuku
jinjuku said: The 2nd amendment is a provision for the populace to stand up to a government gone tyrannical. At the time it was written the standard arms available to the populace was pretty much what standing military around the world had. It's an internal balance of power when something has gone horribly wrong Click to expand... Sometimes, you need to step outside a situation to see the truth.. The right to bare arms dates back was in the days of the War of Independance and yet this outdated right to bear arms still clings on. Hell, the British are the American's number one ally. With today's human and civil rights, the original reason to bear arms in the US in today's world no longer holds true and its just a crutch for boys to keep their toys. Nothing more. Spouting protection of civil rights is nothing more than NRA propaganda. Unfortunately, with NRA controlling the interests and pockets of of politicians, the truth will never be seen.
everettT Audioholic Spartan Apr 7, 2016 5,695 0 113 61 Jun 16, 2016 #122 So the constitution should be thrown out? It has served this country well and should continue. If there is to be a change it is by the will of the people and an act of Congress.
So the constitution should be thrown out? It has served this country well and should continue. If there is to be a change it is by the will of the people and an act of Congress.
Steve81 Audioholics Five-0 Aug 9, 2012 5,039 0 113 45 Las Vegas Jun 16, 2016 #123 herbu said: I'm just saying I am leery of letting some watchlist or no-fly list, created and controlled in secret by a govt institution, revoke a Constitutionally guaranteed right. It is a slippery slope. Click to expand... It's less slippery if individuals can appeal to a judge if they feel they're wrongly denied. As it is, it's clearly not a great idea to ignore data that indicates certain individuals may be a terrorist threat. Will there be false positives? Of course. There are false positives with the no fly list now. But its easier to deal with them on a case by case basis than explain after the fact why we didn't act on the information we had. Reactions: everettT
herbu said: I'm just saying I am leery of letting some watchlist or no-fly list, created and controlled in secret by a govt institution, revoke a Constitutionally guaranteed right. It is a slippery slope. Click to expand... It's less slippery if individuals can appeal to a judge if they feel they're wrongly denied. As it is, it's clearly not a great idea to ignore data that indicates certain individuals may be a terrorist threat. Will there be false positives? Of course. There are false positives with the no fly list now. But its easier to deal with them on a case by case basis than explain after the fact why we didn't act on the information we had.
H highfigh Seriously, I have no life. Sep 14, 2008 24,219 0 113 Jun 16, 2016 #124 Steve81 said: Depends on the layout of the club (and his knowledge of it), any tactical training the guy might have had, etc. If there was a natural choke point he could take advantage of, that would make it rather difficult to tackle the guy. Click to expand... Someone could have picked up a bar stool and clubbed him with it, or a group could have charged him, like what happened on Flight 93.
Steve81 said: Depends on the layout of the club (and his knowledge of it), any tactical training the guy might have had, etc. If there was a natural choke point he could take advantage of, that would make it rather difficult to tackle the guy. Click to expand... Someone could have picked up a bar stool and clubbed him with it, or a group could have charged him, like what happened on Flight 93.
Steve81 Audioholics Five-0 Aug 9, 2012 5,039 0 113 45 Las Vegas Jun 16, 2016 #125 highfigh said: Someone could have picked up a bar stool and clubbed him with it, or a group could have charged him, like what happened on Flight 93. Click to expand... "Could have" and what people actually do when faced with the shock of that sort of situation are two very different things.
highfigh said: Someone could have picked up a bar stool and clubbed him with it, or a group could have charged him, like what happened on Flight 93. Click to expand... "Could have" and what people actually do when faced with the shock of that sort of situation are two very different things.
H highfigh Seriously, I have no life. Sep 14, 2008 24,219 0 113 Jun 16, 2016 #126 Alex2507 said: The Catholics taught me not to kill at the age of 6. Gotta give 'em that much. It also seems like they provide a world wide retreat for gay men and women. Actions speak louder than words. Click to expand... And yet, the RC church is responsible for so many other bad things. The Commandments were based on old teachings, they didn't originate in Catholicism.
Alex2507 said: The Catholics taught me not to kill at the age of 6. Gotta give 'em that much. It also seems like they provide a world wide retreat for gay men and women. Actions speak louder than words. Click to expand... And yet, the RC church is responsible for so many other bad things. The Commandments were based on old teachings, they didn't originate in Catholicism.
H highfigh Seriously, I have no life. Sep 14, 2008 24,219 0 113 Jun 16, 2016 #127 Steve81 said: "Could have" and what people actually do when faced with the shock of that sort of situation are two very different things. Click to expand... The passengers on Flight 93 realized they weren't going to make it and they acted- out of at least 100 club patrons, it surprises me, especially if drinking has occurred. We all know how alcohol acts as a form of "liquid courage", right?
Steve81 said: "Could have" and what people actually do when faced with the shock of that sort of situation are two very different things. Click to expand... The passengers on Flight 93 realized they weren't going to make it and they acted- out of at least 100 club patrons, it surprises me, especially if drinking has occurred. We all know how alcohol acts as a form of "liquid courage", right?
H highfigh Seriously, I have no life. Sep 14, 2008 24,219 0 113 Jun 16, 2016 #128 markw said: Compared to muslims preaching hate from mosques, that number is inconsequential. And, just in case you're thinking about it, the Westboro Baptist whackos have no backers aside from themselves. Click to expand... I was going to wonder how they're doing, now that their Pastor is gone but I did a search for their recent activities and yeah, they're still out there (literally and figuratively).
markw said: Compared to muslims preaching hate from mosques, that number is inconsequential. And, just in case you're thinking about it, the Westboro Baptist whackos have no backers aside from themselves. Click to expand... I was going to wonder how they're doing, now that their Pastor is gone but I did a search for their recent activities and yeah, they're still out there (literally and figuratively).
GO-NAD! Audioholic Warlord Apr 7, 2009 8,253 0 113 Nova Scotia, Canada Jun 16, 2016 #129 highfigh said: The passengers on Flight 93 realized they weren't going to make it and they acted- out of at least 100 club patrons, it surprises me, especially if drinking has occurred. We all know how alcohol acts as a form of "liquid courage", right? Click to expand... And, I would guess that it's easier to screw up the courage to charge someone holding a boxcutter, rather than an AR-15. Reactions: KEW and markw
highfigh said: The passengers on Flight 93 realized they weren't going to make it and they acted- out of at least 100 club patrons, it surprises me, especially if drinking has occurred. We all know how alcohol acts as a form of "liquid courage", right? Click to expand... And, I would guess that it's easier to screw up the courage to charge someone holding a boxcutter, rather than an AR-15.
Steve81 Audioholics Five-0 Aug 9, 2012 5,039 0 113 45 Las Vegas Jun 16, 2016 #130 3db said: With today's human and civil rights Click to expand... It bears keeping in mind that humans have a fundamental right to self defense as well. Sometimes that right involves the use of deadly force. Reactions: 3db
3db said: With today's human and civil rights Click to expand... It bears keeping in mind that humans have a fundamental right to self defense as well. Sometimes that right involves the use of deadly force.
everettT Audioholic Spartan Apr 7, 2016 5,695 0 113 61 Jun 16, 2016 #131 With the number of times he reloaded, the Facebook posts, and phone calls to 911 and news station, it would seem he could have been rushed. Being that time of morning and with alcohol and probably drugs involved maybe not.
With the number of times he reloaded, the Facebook posts, and phone calls to 911 and news station, it would seem he could have been rushed. Being that time of morning and with alcohol and probably drugs involved maybe not.
Steve81 Audioholics Five-0 Aug 9, 2012 5,039 0 113 45 Las Vegas Jun 16, 2016 #132 GO-NAD! said: And, I would guess that it's easier to screw up the courage to charge someone holding a boxcutter, rather than an AR-15. Click to expand... In addition, the people on Flight 93 were cognizant that it wasn't an ordinary hijacking, i.e. it wasn't just their lives at stake. Reactions: GO-NAD!
GO-NAD! said: And, I would guess that it's easier to screw up the courage to charge someone holding a boxcutter, rather than an AR-15. Click to expand... In addition, the people on Flight 93 were cognizant that it wasn't an ordinary hijacking, i.e. it wasn't just their lives at stake.
GO-NAD! Audioholic Warlord Apr 7, 2009 8,253 0 113 Nova Scotia, Canada Jun 16, 2016 #133 Steve81 said: It bears keeping in mind that humans have a fundamental right to self defense as well. Sometimes that right involves the use of deadly force. Click to expand... No argument with that statement, at all. I have no qualms about somebody using a firearm to protect themselves and their families from home invaders. I do have a problem with people going around armed in public though. When you are carrying around a hammer, every problem starts to look like a nail... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-probation-vows-to-never-help-anybody-again/ Reactions: 3db
Steve81 said: It bears keeping in mind that humans have a fundamental right to self defense as well. Sometimes that right involves the use of deadly force. Click to expand... No argument with that statement, at all. I have no qualms about somebody using a firearm to protect themselves and their families from home invaders. I do have a problem with people going around armed in public though. When you are carrying around a hammer, every problem starts to look like a nail... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-probation-vows-to-never-help-anybody-again/
Steve81 Audioholics Five-0 Aug 9, 2012 5,039 0 113 45 Las Vegas Jun 16, 2016 #134 GO-NAD! said: When you are carrying around a hammer, every problem starts to look like a nail... Click to expand... There's some truth to that, particularly when you consider how common issues like road rage are. Conversely, I'm not sure that legal CC permit holders are a significant source of crime either. Personally I don't carry in public, for a few reasons. It's difficult to get a carry permit in my state, I don't really feel much need to since I don't frequent high crime areas, many establishments don't allow firearms regardless of whether you have a permit, etc. That said, I'm always prepared to defend myself and my family with other means when we're out and about. Reactions: GO-NAD!
GO-NAD! said: When you are carrying around a hammer, every problem starts to look like a nail... Click to expand... There's some truth to that, particularly when you consider how common issues like road rage are. Conversely, I'm not sure that legal CC permit holders are a significant source of crime either. Personally I don't carry in public, for a few reasons. It's difficult to get a carry permit in my state, I don't really feel much need to since I don't frequent high crime areas, many establishments don't allow firearms regardless of whether you have a permit, etc. That said, I'm always prepared to defend myself and my family with other means when we're out and about.
3db Audioholic Slumlord Sep 7, 2002 16,486 0 113 65 Ottawa Canada Jun 16, 2016 #135 everettT said: So the constitution should be thrown out? It has served this country well and should continue. If there is to be a change it is by the will of the people and an act of Congress. Click to expand... Yes but the NRA is in the back pocket of many of the congressman so to have a free vote on this is kinda moot at this point.
everettT said: So the constitution should be thrown out? It has served this country well and should continue. If there is to be a change it is by the will of the people and an act of Congress. Click to expand... Yes but the NRA is in the back pocket of many of the congressman so to have a free vote on this is kinda moot at this point.
3db Audioholic Slumlord Sep 7, 2002 16,486 0 113 65 Ottawa Canada Jun 16, 2016 #136 Steve81 said: It bears keeping in mind that humans have a fundamental right to self defense as well. Sometimes that right involves the use of deadly force. Click to expand... I agree to self defense but self defense should not allow an individual to carry an assault rifle. That should be prohibited.
Steve81 said: It bears keeping in mind that humans have a fundamental right to self defense as well. Sometimes that right involves the use of deadly force. Click to expand... I agree to self defense but self defense should not allow an individual to carry an assault rifle. That should be prohibited.
3db Audioholic Slumlord Sep 7, 2002 16,486 0 113 65 Ottawa Canada Jun 16, 2016 #137 GO-NAD! said: No argument with that statement, at all. I have no qualms about somebody using a firearm to protect themselves and their families from home invaders. I do have a problem with people going around armed in public though. When you are carrying around a hammer, every problem starts to look like a nail... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-probation-vows-to-never-help-anybody-again/ Click to expand... Maybe the first amendment to this gun law should be that carrying firearms in public should be prohibited.
GO-NAD! said: No argument with that statement, at all. I have no qualms about somebody using a firearm to protect themselves and their families from home invaders. I do have a problem with people going around armed in public though. When you are carrying around a hammer, every problem starts to look like a nail... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-probation-vows-to-never-help-anybody-again/ Click to expand... Maybe the first amendment to this gun law should be that carrying firearms in public should be prohibited.
GO-NAD! Audioholic Warlord Apr 7, 2009 8,253 0 113 Nova Scotia, Canada Jun 16, 2016 #138 This is ridiculous: https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...ught-an-ar-15-assault-rifle-in-7-minutes.html I understand that processes vary state-to-state, but if this is typical, it's wrong. I would guess that the "background check" consisted of a quick search in some database(s). Of course, we all understand the limitations of databases - $hit in, $hit out. Up here, you Possession and Acquisition Licence application will go to the RCMP and there will be a real background check. You have to provide character references and if your spouse nixes the idea, your application goes into the shredder. If you are getting separated, or there's been a recent separation, expect your application to receive added scrutiny. This process will take several weeks. Even if you changed nothing else, but had a mandated waiting period, it might save many lives. Because, the greatest number of gun deaths in the US - by a wide margin - are suicides.
This is ridiculous: https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...ught-an-ar-15-assault-rifle-in-7-minutes.html I understand that processes vary state-to-state, but if this is typical, it's wrong. I would guess that the "background check" consisted of a quick search in some database(s). Of course, we all understand the limitations of databases - $hit in, $hit out. Up here, you Possession and Acquisition Licence application will go to the RCMP and there will be a real background check. You have to provide character references and if your spouse nixes the idea, your application goes into the shredder. If you are getting separated, or there's been a recent separation, expect your application to receive added scrutiny. This process will take several weeks. Even if you changed nothing else, but had a mandated waiting period, it might save many lives. Because, the greatest number of gun deaths in the US - by a wide margin - are suicides.
Steve81 Audioholics Five-0 Aug 9, 2012 5,039 0 113 45 Las Vegas Jun 16, 2016 #139 3db said: I agree to self defense but self defense should not allow an individual to carry an assault rifle. That should be prohibited. Click to expand... As noted earlier, my problem is with the definition of an "assault weapon". For semi-auto rifles, thats: Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following: Folding or telescoping stock; Pistol grip; Bayonet mount; Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one; Grenade launcher mount Click to expand... None of that speaks to the actual performance of the weapon, i.e. caliber, rate of fire, etc. which actually determine how powerful/lethal it is. This is an "assault weapon", but this isn't. For all practical purposes, they're the same gun with different cosmetics. Both are chambered for 22 Long Rifle, which is mostly utilized for target practice and shooting the occasional varmint, and far less useful for even something small like a coyote, let alone a human.
3db said: I agree to self defense but self defense should not allow an individual to carry an assault rifle. That should be prohibited. Click to expand... As noted earlier, my problem is with the definition of an "assault weapon". For semi-auto rifles, thats: Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following: Folding or telescoping stock; Pistol grip; Bayonet mount; Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one; Grenade launcher mount Click to expand... None of that speaks to the actual performance of the weapon, i.e. caliber, rate of fire, etc. which actually determine how powerful/lethal it is. This is an "assault weapon", but this isn't. For all practical purposes, they're the same gun with different cosmetics. Both are chambered for 22 Long Rifle, which is mostly utilized for target practice and shooting the occasional varmint, and far less useful for even something small like a coyote, let alone a human.
C Chu Gai Audioholic Samurai Apr 21, 2009 2,972 0 113 74 The Isles of Langerhans Jun 16, 2016 #140 3db said: Maybe the first amendment to this gun law should be that carrying firearms in public should be prohibited. Click to expand... This story, among others, illustrates such a proposition isn't necessarily a good idea. Of note, I don't hear much from Congress about the carnage that goes on Chicago. 7 dead last weekend. Many more shot. Reactions: everettT
3db said: Maybe the first amendment to this gun law should be that carrying firearms in public should be prohibited. Click to expand... This story, among others, illustrates such a proposition isn't necessarily a good idea. Of note, I don't hear much from Congress about the carnage that goes on Chicago. 7 dead last weekend. Many more shot.
