Jumpers/Power cord Upgrade:Fact or Fiction?

[mtrycrafts]

You should see how small the power cord looks on my amp

How small is it? I certainly cannot see it from here wherever here is

Sure hope that it is big enough to reach the outlet.

 

[Swerd]

Not sure why folks keep trying to correlate cars and audio. Irrelevant comparisons.

When people describe audible improvement after changing wires or cables, I compare it to painting racing stripes on a minivan. It changes only the appearance. That's about as far as any comparison of audio with cars can go .

 

[mtrycrafts]

....I was not stating there is a diffrence in sound.. but there are differences that are important to using it in your audio system. therefor wire does make a difference..

What are those differences, please.

 

[mtrycrafts]

There's not much you can do about electricity and current before it gets to your house, but...from your wall outlet, you can clean up the signal with various AC line conditioners and voltage stabilizers, and try to maintain the integrity of the signal as it goes through the chain of your components. At least that's what people who have been in this hobby for most of there life have concluded. My system sounds better in the morning than at night because more people in the neighborhood are using their power sucking appliances at that time. I bought a FURUTECH eTP80 AC line receptacle, and it was probably one of the most noticeable upgrades to my system.

Well, one certainly may believe all this

 

[mtrycrafts]

When people describe audible improvement after changing wires or cables, I compare it to painting racing stripes on a minivan. It changes only the appearance. That's about as far as any comparison of audio with cars can go .

If only he would have said that

 

[chris357]

well i knew this was going to be bad when I made my post and you guys did not disapoint!!

 

[bandphan]

well i knew this was going to be bad when I made my post and you guys did not disapoint!!

FYI I like your electronics, and have been a Dan fan since B&W (although the new ipod dock is a joke) but don't get caught up in the snake oil. And btw I've sold krell, and have a bunch of MIT overpriced cables in systems and would still have the m1000 cables if the company didn't suck, they don't make a difference form the rg6 and rg59 cables that I've made . Email Roger Russell and get his take on power cords and speaker wire(lamp cord works for him).

 

[lsiberian]

Wow you propose that one piece of copper is superior to another and then in the course of it slam religion. FYI even religion well mine uses reason.

I suspect a lack of science for you friend. Just to zap the analogy

My life without my faith
college dropout lived at home, wasted away playing eq.

with my faith
degreed, going to grad school, been to almost every continent, even getting married.

In the same way Speaker wire can make a difference. Let's say you use a 24 awg wire for speakers that have a 30 ft run. If you switch it to 12 awg the difference will be noticeable. The same with power cords. If you get a really bad power cord and upgrade it. It will likely make a difference, but your talking about a well designed amp. Not some piece of junk electronic device.

Now that of course doesn't take away from preferences. Some folks want to mod their stuff. I'm all for it. I think it can be fun and educational. Take this as a time to learn about the stuff not necessarily a time to argue with our resident engineers, scientists, and guys with way too much time on this forum

When it comes to engineering, and science. I find it best not to take your ideas too personally. Remember even a bad idea or wrong idea can lead one to discover or learn the correct one. Just like this post taught some folks about power cables.

Some things aren't worth fighting for. I would think this isn't one of them. But if your passionate about power cords it's ok with me. Just remember we don't all share your passions.

 

[bandphan]

with my faith
, even getting married.
.

Ok now we are getting to where I don't want to do any DBTs.

 

[lsiberian]

Ok now we are getting to where I don't want to do any DBTs.

Yeah this is the part a DBT misses. Looks matter to guys. It's a fact of life. If they didn't we'd select woman much differently.

 

[chris357]

FYI I like your electronics, and have been a Dan fan since B&W (although the new ipod dock is a joke) but don't get caught up in the snake oil. And btw I've sold krell, and have a bunch of MIT overpriced cables in systems and would still have the m1000 cables if the company didn't suck, they don't make a difference form the rg6 and rg59 cables that I've made . Email Roger Russell and get his take on power cords and speaker wire(lamp cord works for him).

Thank you, I like my electronics as well i would like some new speakers but as I've shot my wad on the krell stuff(used on audiogon) i'm broke for a while and yes the amp made a huge improvement in sound from my b&k.

 

[mtrycrafts]

well i knew this was going to be bad when I made my post and you guys did not disapoint!!

Did you expect silence from us? Or tacit approval?

 

[chris357]

Did you expect silence from us? Or tacit approval?

no obviously when I replied to the original poster I think on page 1 of this post I said you guys were goin gto burn me at the stake for what i was saying so I knew full well you all were going to lgiht this thread up. i had already seen the comments on this issue on previous threads.


but I wanted at least 1 person to have an alternate opinion on here and I stand by it I still think I heard great improvement when i upgraded my power cables on my b&k amps. i will say this every time someone asks this question on any forum because that is what i have experienced.

was it as significant when i upgraded my krell's power cord? no but the one it came with was pretty good.

but I repect everyones opinion on here whether i agree with it or not. and i'm not going to try and make anyone feel dumb for having there opinion or in some cases bias's.

 

[TLS Guy]

no obviously when I replied to the original poster I think on page 1 of this post I said you guys were goin gto burn me at the stake for what i was saying so I knew full well you all were going to lgiht this thread up. i had already seen the comments on this issue on previous threads.


but I wanted at least 1 person to have an alternate opinion on here and I stand by it I still think I heard great improvement when i upgraded my power cables on my b&k amps. i will say this every time someone asks this question on any forum because that is what i have experienced.

was it as significant when i upgraded my krell's power cord? no but the one it came with was pretty good.

but I repect everyones opinion on here whether i agree with it or not. and i'm not going to try and make anyone feel dumb for having there opinion or in some cases bias's.

Your views are bias and superstition and mine are not.

You can only hold on to your bias, superstition or what ever you want to call it, if you don't have the first clue about how things actually work, the, the laws of physics and the nature of matter. Having that knowledge is called getting an education.

There are a lot of us here that will call out misleading anecdotal posts like yours.

Why don't we let it go? Actually because people who use your sort of logic are actually dangerous and a hazard to society.

If you don't believe me just look at the vaccine and autism issue.

It was just your line of thinking and justification for it, that caused a dangerous distraction and the expenditure of scarce funds disproving the anecdotal theory.

The worst part, was that people were scared to have their children vaccinated, and the herd immunity to dangerous diseases was reduced and lives were lost as a result.

An educated citizenry is an important, and even vital requirement of any nation with good prospects. A good grounding in nature's laws and the sciences is a vital part of that education.

Stating "I'm not an engineer," and then spouting a proposition that is impossible to have any basis in fact, is not what is required. Even worse is the encouragement on a public forum that functioning that way is reasonable. It is far from it.

And that has nothing to do with respect. In matters like these all that is at issue are the facts.

 

[PeterWhite]

I am not sure if they are untestable. You can compare two cables for any of their claims and see firstly is any of their claims are indeed audible, then, what measures differently. But, if not audible, it really doesn't matter if they measure different. Insignificant.

I should have written, "many of the claims." For example, when they make claims about improving the "sound stage" or "openness", how do you test?

 

[Swerd]

well i knew this was going to be bad when I made my post and you guys did not disapoint!!

Most of us have no problem if you spend a lot of money on exotic cables. Most of us have no problem if you actually believe it makes an audible difference.

I have a big problem when someone, like yourself, comes on a public forum and claims that these types of wires make a difference. It may very well be that you are only looking for a debate. But there are many readers here, who are quite new to audio and are looking for information. It is wrong to let unsubstantiated claims, such as yours, go unchallenged. That's why you got thumped in this thread, and that's why I joined in.

 

[chris357]

so you are calling me an uneducated child killer?

Your views are bias and superstition and mine are not.

You can only hold on to your bias, superstition or what ever you want to call it, if you don't have the first clue about how things actually work, the, the laws of physics and the nature of matter. Having that knowledge is called getting an education.

There are a lot of us here that will call out misleading anecdotal posts like yours.

Why don't we let it go? Actually because people who use your sort of logic are actually dangerous and a hazard to society.

If you don't believe me just look at the vaccine and autism issue.

It was just your line of thinking and justification for it, that caused a dangerous distraction and the expenditure of scarce funds disproving the anecdotal theory.

The worst part, was that people were scared to have their children vaccinated, and the herd immunity to dangerous diseases was reduced and lives were lost as a result.

An educated citizenry is an important, and even vital requirement of any nation with good prospects. A good grounding in nature's laws and the sciences is a vital part of that education.

Stating "I'm not an engineer," and then spouting a proposition that is impossible to have any basis in fact, is not what is required. Even worse is the encouragement on a public forum that functioning that way is reasonable. It is far from it.

And that has nothing to do with respect. In matters like these all that is at issue are the facts.

WOW, now you have me killing kids all across the country and causing the education system to fail

Damn and all because I had some luck with a better cable...

see the problem is you just jump on in attack mode rather than discussing any possible merits..

such as maybe i had a bad cable to begin with and of course I'm going to see an improvement, or maybe with a better quality assembly you get better solder connections or better more durable connections that wont fail after a few years..

maybe ask me how much a paid for said cables to see if i'm preaching going out and spending thousands on cables. maybe ask me what i have. maybe tell me what you use and what kind of equipment you have.

coming on in full attack mode doesnt make me want to listen to you I dont think most people on here are going to repsect you for it, sure a few will pat you on the back and give you a "thanks" but ranting on and on about vaccines has nothing to do with audio equipment so take a sedative and relax.

and if what i'm hearing is all in my head... then maybe the best upgrade to your stereo is the same stuff I'm smoking



do you want some? I need to make some money so i can buy some more cables

 

[bandphan]

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/

or invest in some cool looking rg59 and a compression tool and make your own

 

[chris357]

Most of us have no problem if you spend a lot of money on exotic cables. Most of us have no problem if you actually believe it makes an audible difference.

I have a big problem when someone, like yourself, comes on a public forum and claims that these types of wires make a difference. It may very well be that you are only looking for a debate. But there are many readers here, who are quite new to audio and are looking for information. It is wrong to let unsubstantiated claims, such as yours, go unchallenged. That's why you got thumped in this thread, and that's why I joined in.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/cables/kimber-kable-8pr

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/cables/ram-electronics-hs-speaker

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/cables/blue-jeans-10awg-speaker-cable-5t00up/?searchterm=cable

heres a few reviews of cables that I found on this website.

this is just in a minute of searching i dont really want to look for all of the articles from audioholics.com on different cables but there were 40 some pages in the search.

and sure, I'm looking for a debate... and maybe if you guys were a little more diplomatic we might have more people chime in on my side..but do you think anyone on here who agrees with me is going to jump on here now? even if they agree with a little bit they are going to run as far away from this debate as possible because you guys will slam them as well.

maybe with a little open friendly debate you guys can get your point accross and while not alienating people who may disagree with you.

maybe with friendly debate you can explain why I might have had an improvement in sound quality with a new cable that doesnt involve the copper.

I'd rather hear that than you are an idiot and spewing false information. and thats why I'm slamming you on this forum..

and also i'm stuborn, when ganged up on like this I tend to not back down.. I'm sure you can understand my point of view?

 

[TLS Guy]

WOW, now you have me killing kids all across the country and causing the education system to fail

Damn and all because I had some luck with a better cable...

see the problem is you just jump on in attack mode rather than discussing any possible merits..

such as maybe i had a bad cable to begin with and of course I'm going to see an improvement, or maybe with a better quality assembly you get better solder connections or better more durable connections that wont fail after a few years..

maybe ask me how much a paid for said cables to see if i'm preaching going out and spending thousands on cables. maybe ask me what i have. maybe tell me what you use and what kind of equipment you have.

coming on in full attack mode doesnt make me want to listen to you I dont think most people on here are going to repsect you for it, sure a few will pat you on the back and give you a "thanks" but ranting on and on about vaccines has nothing to do with audio equipment so take a sedative and relax.

and if what i'm hearing is all in my head... then maybe the best upgrade to your stereo is the same stuff I'm smoking



do you want some? I need to make some money so i can buy some more cables

The problem is this. The application of logic, or the lack thereof.

Here is the bottom line. If you had even a rudimentary understanding of AC power generation, its distribution and how an amplifier power supply works. Then the application of simple logic would lead you to the conclusion, that in no way could an AC power cord affect the sound of an amplifier. There is not even the remotest possibility.