Is the Forum Busted?

[highfigh]

Do you honestly believe they care if we don't buy from them? The world population is >8 billion.

 

[Hobbit]

I often check in a TDPRI which from appearances uses the same software. It's VERY rare to see spam over there even though they have a lot more traffic. One of the big differences is that TDPRI deletes anything politically related. Even if it can only tacitly be construed as being political. If fact, if a comment appears political the entire thread is deleted by the mods. Kind of draconian but it may why they're not being attacked. Moreover, this site tends to lean left, which makes me wonder if there's a connection to the attacks. It's not necessarily where the spam is physically coming from, but who is behind it.

It could also be as simple as TDPRI has a better anti-spam plug-in.

 

[TLS Guy]

Do you honestly believe they care if we don't buy from them? The world population is >8 billion.

True, but we buy a disproportionate amount from them. Their stuff is not much good anyway, there are higher standards elsewhere.

 

[Verdinut]

Maybe @gene could try using the 9 image quiz. I doubt a bot would be able to choose the right images.

 

[lovinthehd]

You can buy any level of quality you want in China. Most people want cheap. The nature of consumer electronics. As to hacking, well there are a lot of players for a variety of reasons. The US is no angel in this regard.

 

[highfigh]

True, but we buy a disproportionate amount from them. Their stuff is not much good anyway, there are higher standards elsewhere.

And whose fault is that? People don't want to pay exhorbitant prices, but want brands they recognize. Manufacturers would rather sell to those turds than wait for a decent offer from someone else and want to cash in when the money is nearby. Many wanted to retire, some just wanted out of an industry that has become completely incestuous, others included it in their escape plan.

Standards- those are chosen by companies that want their products to outlast the warranty period, at this point- the old days are gone, nobody should be sentimental about their equipment anymore.

Congress- they know best, right? Their motto- "How can we screw the country, today?". Trade deals that probably lined their pockets, take money out of the pockets of the US worker by killing manufacturing and making people dependent on the government.

 

[TLS Guy]

And whose fault is that? People don't want to pay exhorbitant prices, but want brands they recognize. Manufacturers would rather sell to those turds than wait for a decent offer from someone else and want to cash in when the money is nearby. Many wanted to retire, some just wanted out of an industry that has become completely incestuous, others included it in their escape plan.

Standards- those are chosen by companies that want their products to outlast the warranty period, at this point- the old days are gone, nobody should be sentimental about their equipment anymore.

Congress- they know best, right? Their motto- "How can we screw the country, today?". Trade deals that probably lined their pockets, take money out of the pockets of the US worker by killing manufacturing and making people dependent on the government.

No, but I want gear to last more than five years, like my Marantz 7705 and the 7706 that had to go for warranty repair after a month.

The Japanese seem to really value superb design and construction. My AV 10 and AV 30 look like absolute works of art and inspire confidence. They also give superb performance, that is definitely better than from the units they replaced.

 

[highfigh]

True, but we buy a disproportionate amount from them. Their stuff is not much good anyway, there are higher standards elsewhere.

No, but I want gear to last more than five years, like my Marantz 7705 and the 7706 that had to go for warranty repair after a month.

The Japanese seem to really value superb design and construction. My AV 10 and AV 30 look like absolute works of art and inspire confidence. They also give superb performance, that is definitely better than from the units they replaced.

The Japanese value honor and quality, China values screwing everyone.

 

[lovinthehd]

The Japanese value honor and quality, China values screwing everyone.

That's comes off as simply stupid. China will sell you anything you want as long as you pay for it. What is ordered by the US retailers....meh.

 

[TLS Guy]

That's comes off as simply stupid. China will sell you anything you want as long as you pay for it. What is ordered by the US retailers....meh.

No their manufacture is way inferior to Japan and Europe.

 

[lovinthehd]

No their manufacture is way inferior to Japan and Europe.

No, that's not true. Just prejudice/misinformation. Plus they do it cheaper.

 

[highfigh]

That's comes off as simply stupid. China will sell you anything you want as long as you pay for it. What is ordered by the US retailers....meh.

Have you not heard of their practices regarding intellectual property theft and copying items they manufacture for others, then selling them here and in other countries as if the patented original didn't exist, at lower prices?

Cheaper and of lower quality. As an example, look at power tools and machines for wood and metalworking- they tend to not temper castings and it does save on the cost, but the warping & other problems show up later.

Buy anything from China with a power cord and try to make it lay straight.

And how am I wrong? Make your points, but support them.

 

[TLS Guy]

Have you not heard of their practices regarding intellectual property theft and copying items they manufacture for others, then selling them here and in other countries as if the patented original didn't exist, at lower prices?

Cheaper and of lower quality. As an example, look at power tools and machines for wood and metalworking- they tend to not temper castings and it does save on the cost, but the warping & other problems show up later.

Buy anything from China with a power cord and try to make it lay straight.

And how am I wrong? Make your points, but support them.

You are not wrong, but right on point. Vile lot, and there are still up to their disgusting campaign against this forum. Boycott Chinese made goods!

 

[Mikado463]

That's comes off as simply stupid. China will sell you anything you want as long as you pay for it. What is ordered by the US retailers....meh.

Partially true, there is plenty of American companies that have chosen China to do their mfg. So blaming it on a retailer back here is a bit of a stretch. Regardless, It all comes down to QC.

 

[Mikado463]

Have you not heard of their practices regarding intellectual property theft and copying items they manufacture for others, then selling them here and in other countries as if the patented original didn't exist, at lower prices?

Cheaper and of lower quality. As an example, look at power tools and machines for wood and metalworking- they tend to not temper castings and it does save on the cost, but the warping & other problems show up later.

Buy anything from China with a power cord and try to make it lay straight.

And how am I wrong? Make your points, but support them.

Exactly and here is but one example ...........

https://www.vevor.com/mower-blade-sharpener-c_10164/vevor-lawn-mower-blade-sharpener-15-45-adjustable-lawnmower-blade-sharpener-p_010699098243?adp=gmc&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_id=20831910153&ad_group=155071814094&ad_id=683579645995&utm_term=&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=20831910153&gbraid=0AAAAACq8bLXnztR9bYAmvrFhis8lKNeop&gclid=Cj0KCQjw79nUBhCgARIsADSHka2jRzmTgFBtU9e6MJinqAEWNEm8mxYU6-3H9U4zepjVOF6WMc0-hvQaAt_kEALw_wcB

yes, I got duped into buying it and it is 'Chinese junk'.........

 

[mtrycrafts]

Well, there are 3 spams up in the last 18 minutes. Four minutes apart.

 

[TLS Guy]

Well, there are 3 spams up in the last 18 minutes. Four minutes apart.

Nasty persistent lot!

 

[shadyJ]

China is large and diverse country, so I don't think its fair to pigeonhole them with blanket statements. It's like saying all American made goods are high quality or all American made goods and trash quality. High quality and trash can both be had from American manufacturers, and likewise from Chinese manufacturers.

The problem is when you are looking to have something made at the cheapest possible price, China is very often the least expensive source for manufactured goods, and you tend to get what you pay for. If you are a manufacturer willing to cut corners for higher margins, than yes, there are plenty of Chinese factories that will take shortcuts on quality control to hit your price point. However, if you are willing to pay for very high levels of quality control, there are Chinese manufacturers who are as good as anyone else in the world. However, the problem with high QC Chinese goods is that you don't actually save a lot of money versus manufacturing in other countries. I have talked about this issue with multiple audio manufacturers. In my opinion, it's not China in particular that is the problem with low quality goods- its greedy shareholders and cheapskate consumers who don't want to pay a fair price for high quality.

 

[TLS Guy]

China is large and diverse country, so I don't think its fair to pigeonhole them with blanket statements. It's like saying all American made goods are high quality or all American made goods and trash quality. High quality and trash can both be had from American manufacturers, and likewise from Chinese manufacturers.

The problem is when you are looking to have something made at the cheapest possible price, China is very often the least expensive source for manufactured goods, and you tend to get what you pay for. If you are a manufacturer willing to cut corners for higher margins, than yes, there are plenty of Chinese factories that will take shortcuts on quality control to hit your price point. However, if you are willing to pay for very high levels of quality control, there are Chinese manufacturers who are as good as anyone else in the world. However, the problem with high QC Chinese goods is that you don't actually save a lot of money versus manufacturing in other countries. I have talked about this issue with multiple audio manufacturers. In my opinion, it's not China in particular that is the problem with low quality goods- its greedy shareholders and cheapskate consumers who don't want to pay a fair price for high quality.

Well, I can tell you I will continue to guard my American made screw drivers and wrenches. They are made with high grade steel. When I was fabricating at the lake, I used to go out of my way to find US steel, and it was hard to find. The Chinese still was peppered with imperfections which would be inclined to spoil a nice strong weld.

But you have reinforced my point, that when China does produce a quality produce there is no cost saving, and you have transports costs to add. So we might just as well have created the good skilled jobs here. Daft executives are largely to blame for this, with their brainless herd mentality. They need a big haircut in their salaries.

 

[highfigh]

Partially true, there is plenty of American companies that have chosen China to do their mfg. So blaming it on a retailer back here is a bit of a stretch. Regardless, It all comes down to QC.

If someone wants to sell non-Chinese products, they can- brand name recognition will be more difficult now that so many companies and corporations have been bought by off-shore entities, but if the reliability is demonstrably better and it's possible to make repairs/access replacement parts, great. I'm glad I'm at my age and at the end of my involvement in sales and installation of this stuff, though- the constant battles with failures, slow service and lack of dealer support were bad enough but when manufacturers started selling products on their websites that were priced lower than what we paid as direct dealers, it made a lot of resellers switch to other brands- there's no reason we should have to compete with the brand. There's also the problem of signing up as a dealer for a brand, then the ownership group decides to shut one or more brands down (Pioneer & Boston Acoustics) after a dealer commits to opening orders and there's no support.

At this point, I would hate to be a consumer without connections but with people not wanting the complex systems of the last 25 years, they should be fine.

My advice- keep it simple, don't buy crap with all kinds of technically advanced features and don't expect to find service centers that can handle the repairs quickly.